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Bernie Sanders: Democracts Lost Because They're Out of Touch

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A bit harsh, but Bernie's never been one to soften his words. :lol: I think he's spot on in his assessment. Democrats are never going to win another election by cashing wealthy donor checks and doing fundraisers. They need to reach out to average America and the voters they (theoretically) will represent.

 

Bernie may have lost the primary but he did raise over $26 million in small donations and took NO SUPER-PAC OR CORPORATE MONEY. Not a dime. He knows how to get it done.

 

The next Democratic president will need to be someone who also connects with average America.

 

 


Bernie Sanders thinks he has a pretty good idea why Hillary Clinton and Democrats lost in the 2016 election.

 

"Look, you can't simply go around to wealthy people's homes raising money and expect to win elections," the Vermont senator, who gave Clinton a surprisingly strong run for the Democratic nomination, told NPR's David Greene in an interview airing on Morning Edition. "You've got to go out and mix it up and be with ordinary people."

 

That picks up on a criticism of Clinton devoting too much time to fundraising — and not enough to on-the-ground campaigning in traditionally Democratic states, like Michigan and Wisconsin. In the general election, Clinton never visited Wisconsin after she became the nominee and visited Michigan late in the game. The two Upper Midwestern states swung narrowly to Trump: Wisconsin by slightly more than 20,000 votes and Michigan by slightly more than 10,000. During the primary, Sanders boasted of his small-donor donations.

 

"The Democratic Party swallowed the bait," he argued. "They became hooked on big money."

 

The Vermont senator added that he believes Democrats have lost touch with the needs of everyday Americans.

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/06/508385203/bernie-sanders-says-trump-won-because-democrats-are-out-of-touch

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The one truth here is that Bernie Sanders has "never been one to soften his words."

 

That propensity, along with his hypocrisy and perfidy, cost the Democrats the election.

 

The time for Bernie's hate-mongering and demagoguery is over. Yesterday's news.

 

We will need positive leadership moving forward, not an angry and bitter old man.

 

Bill

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The next Democratic, presidential candidate needs to be a Berniecrat.

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Neglected from the linked article:

The kind of harsh criticism he [sanders] leveled of Clinton on her Wall Street speeches and decrying her as part of the status quo, rather than building up her beliefs and policies (that certainly stand in stark contrast to Donald Trump) has irked party loyalists.

 

That's especially true, considering that although Sanders ran in the Democratic primary and caucuses with Democrats, he has declined to put the "D" next to his name. He is back in the Senate as an independent.

 

Bill


The next Democratic, presidential candidate needs to be a Berniecrat.

 

God forbid.

 

Bill

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Also from the linked article, this quote from Sanders:

"One of the reasons that Mr. Trump won is that we have millions of people who have given up on the political process, who don't believe that Congress is listening to their pain," Sanders said. "What the Democratic Party has got to do is start listening."

 

What's missing is any self-awareness on the part of Sanders over his role in encouraging people to be disillusioned and to give up on the political process.

 

His pessimism, toxic rants, lies, and harsh attacks alienated so many people (forum members included) that they did not show up to vote for HRC over Donald Trump and we lost.

 

Bernie should look in the mirror. He acted as a villain, not a hero or statesman.

 

Bill

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The next Democratic, presidential candidate needs to be a Berniecrat.

 

Absolutely. Anyone who doesn't reach out to average America and the working class WILL lose. That's pretty much a guarantee. Holding swanky fundraisers with rich donors and cash checks from George Clooney aren't going to get a candidate to 270 electoral votes ever again, I don't believe.

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Yeah, we need working-folks people can relate to like Susan Sarandon and Rosario Dawson.

 

Not sure how the working-class is supposed to relate to a guy who (by choice) never held a regular job in his adult life, but whatever.

 

[insert roll-eyes here]

 

Bill

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A bit harsh, but Bernie's never been one to soften his words. :lol: I think he's spot on in his assessment. Democrats are never going to win another election by cashing wealthy donor checks and doing fundraisers. They need to reach out to average America and the voters they (theoretically) will represent.

 

Bernie may have lost the primary but he did raise over $26 million in small donations and took NO SUPER-PAC OR CORPORATE MONEY. Not a dime. He knows how to get it done.

 

The next Democratic president will need to be someone who also connects with average America.

 

 

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/06/508385203/bernie-sanders-says-trump-won-because-democrats-are-out-of-touch

Democrats are not out of touch, just fully committed to defend neoliberalism

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Democrats are not out of touch, just fully committed to defend neoliberalism

 

You could be correct. They seem to have a cozy little circle of political backpatting and favor exchanges going on in Washington. It's no damn wonder Congress' approval rating is hovering around 10%.

 

Vote for my bill and I'll vote for yours. Neither cares whether it's something that will benefit the voters, only themselves.

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Democrats are not out of touch, just fully committed to defend neoliberalism

 

False.

 

Bill

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Democrats are not out of touch, just fully committed to defend neoliberalism

 

The big reason neoliberalism so tenaciously hangs on is that getting rich with very little effort is highly addictive. Taking huge, legal bribes from powerful donors in return for tailored legislation makes principles much less important, in the minds of many. The Republicans have been at this longer than Democrats. But enough Democratic legislators vote the same way as Republicans, on economic issues that those opposed to economic inequality are outnumbered.

 

The wealthy and powerful interests that have made it legal to bribe our legislators, not just with money but inside tips and such, do not care much about social issues, so elitist Democrats have no financial incentive to stop supporting progressive social legislation.

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The big reason neoliberalism so tenaciously hangs on is that getting rich with very little effort is highly addictive. Taking huge, legal bribes from powerful donors in return for tailored legislation makes principles much less important, in the minds of many. The Republicans have been at this longer than Democrats. But enough Democratic legislators vote the same way as Republicans, on economic issues that those opposed to economic inequality are outnumbered.

 

The wealthy and powerful interests that have made it legal to bribe our legislators, not just with money but inside tips and such, do not care much about social issues, so elitist Democrats have no financial incentive to stop supporting progressive social legislation.

The reason is that America loooooves its myth. Our fucking exceptionalism, greatest country blah blah blah. When shit happens it's a fuck up. Nobody wants to believe that it is by design

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The more extreme the GOP has become the less the dems were forced to deliver. Only by comparison with the gophers did they appear to be reasonable

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You all don't seem to know what "neoliberalism" even means, and have fallen into using the term as a left-wing smear on non-socialists.

 

Bad form.

 

More re-fighting of the primaries. More eyes off the prize.

 

Divisionism will perpetuate Trump and a GOP majority. Dumb strategy.

 

Bill

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You all don't seem to know what "neoliberalism" even means, and have fallen into using the term as a left-wing smear on non-socialists.

 

Bad form.

 

More re-fighting of the primaries. More eyes off the prize.

 

Divisionism will perpetuate Trump and a GOP majority. Dumb strategy.

 

Bill

It's you who doesn't know what it means. It's you who tries to polish this turd

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The big reason neoliberalism so tenaciously hangs on is that getting rich with very little effort is highly addictive. Taking huge, legal bribes from powerful donors in return for tailored legislation makes principles much less important, in the minds of many. The Republicans have been at this longer than Democrats. But enough Democratic legislators vote the same way as Republicans, on economic issues that those opposed to economic inequality are outnumbered.

 

The wealthy and powerful interests that have made it legal to bribe our legislators, not just with money but inside tips and such, do not care much about social issues, so elitist Democrats have no financial incentive to stop supporting progressive social legislation.

 

That is so true. Those benefiting from the gravy train will protect it at all costs. We need to get money out of politics NOW. Citizens United MUST be overturned.

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It's you who doesn't know what it means. It's you who tries to polish this turd

 

And you're yet another non-Democrat on this forum who spends all her time attacking the Democratic party, not voting, and enabling Trump and the GOP in the process.

 

This is madness.

 

Bill

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And you're yet another non-Democrat on this forum who spends all her time attacking the Democratic party, not voting, and enabling Trump and the GOP in the process.

 

This is madness.

 

Bill

No, I'm just another non millionaire who doesn't get what's so fucking great about the dem party that warrants its survival

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No, I'm just another non millionaire who doesn't get what's so fucking great about the dem party that warrants its survival

 

Clearly, you don't get it. Perhaps the next four years will give you a life-education?

 

Bill

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Clearly, you don't get it. Perhaps the next four years will give you a life-education?

 

Bill

Just spell it out for me. What's so fucking great about the dem party that eludes a dummy like me. Do it for the children

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Just spell it out for me. What's so fucking great about the dem party that eludes a dummy like me. Do it for the children

 

Speaking of which, are you 16 or is that just some abuse on the part of BeAChooser on NHB? Honest question, I was never sure .

 

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Speaking of which, are you 16 or is that just some abuse on the part of BeAChooser on NHB? Honest question, I was never sure .

 

Bill

That's irrelevant.

Now what's so great about the dem party? I get the feeling you have a hard time coming up with a convincing answer. True, they are not as bad as the GOP but that is hardly an endorsement

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That's irrelevant.

Now what's so great about the dem party? I get the feeling you have a hard time coming up with a convincing answer. True, they are not as bad as the GOP but that is hardly an endorsement

 

Why so coy? You spoke of yourself a child, are you 16 for real?

 

Bill

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Why so coy? You spoke of yourself a child, are you 16 for real?

 

Bill

Cause it's none of your business. Now are you gonna tell what neoliberalism "really" means and how the dems are not advancing it

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