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Gun violence is not 100% random. Sure, innocent people are killed, but more often, the people that are killed are the stupidest ones, the ones already involved with crime.

 

On average, the smartest people in the community find a way out of bad neighborhoods. On average, the stupidest get killed more often.

 

Over a few centuries, the community as a whole gets smarter.

 

It's cruel, but adverse circumstances cause groups to get tougher and smarter over time.

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Gun violence is not 100% random. Sure, innocent people are killed, but more often, the people that are killed are the stupidest ones, the ones already involved with crime.

 

On average, the smartest people in the community find a way out of bad neighborhoods. On average, the stupidest get killed more often.

 

Over a few centuries, the community as a whole gets smarter.

 

It's cruel, but adverse circumstances cause groups to get tougher and smarter over time.

So are you implying that black people are stupid and will eventually destroy themselves? Seriously?

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So are you implying that black people are stupid and will eventually destroy themselves? Seriously?

No, I'm implying that stupid black people will destroy themselves (the ones engaging in gun violence) and that black people, as a group, will continue to get smarter, because the idiots among them got killed more frequently.

 

That's equally true for white people, but blacks suffer from greater adverse conditions in this society. Adverse conditions result in improvement, over long time frames, because it creates confirms in which able people survive, and the least able became unable to thrive.

 

Before you blow a gasket, I'm not advocating bad conditions for blacks. However, over centuries, bad conditions will result in various improvements in any group.

 

There is also historical precedent, and some mathematics that models it.

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That is interesting, I never thought about it like that. Kill all the stupid blacks, and the Black race gets more intelligent as a whole. Kind of like self inflicted violent eugenics.

The historical precedent is 2000 years of European persecution if Jews. The result is that despite the facts that

1. Jews are 0.24% of the world population, people if Jewish heritage have over 22% of the world's Nobel Prizes.

2. Jews are 2% of Americans, but Americans of Jewish heritage received 36% of the Nobel Prizes awarded to Americans.

 

Obviously, the freedom afforded everyone by being American is a great advantage. Americans of all stripes perform better than most other countries at most things.

 

The "chosen people" stuff is nonsense. But if IQ is heritable (it is), and if you kill off the dumbest people of a group, enough to raise the group IQ by 1/10 of 1% every generation for 100 generations (2000 years), and only allow the remaining ones to be money lenders, then you get a group that's literate, numerate, smart, and able to follow rules to the letter. After 100 generations, the average 100 IQ becomes increased by a factor of 1.001^100=1.105. i.e. the average IQ of the persecuted group becomes 110, compared to the general average of 100.

 

The general idea was true 117 years ago too. It's worth reading Mark Twain's essay "Concerning the Jews".

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Gun violence is not 100% random. Sure, innocent people are killed, but more often, the people that are killed are the stupidest ones, the ones already involved with crime.

 

On average, the smartest people in the community find a way out of bad neighborhoods. On average, the stupidest get killed more often.

 

Over a few centuries, the community as a whole gets smarter.

 

It's cruel, but adverse circumstances cause groups to get tougher and smarter over time.

 

I strongly disagree with you on this point. It doesn't make any sense to divide people into smart or stupid or overestimate the likelihood of supposedly " exceptional individuals " who overcome adversity. The reason you don't have this problem among whites in most cases is because the percentage of poor and unemployed whites is lower compared to blacks. White people liberal and conservative alike focus too much on notions of black deviant behavior to keep from changing the structure of society which is still subtly racist and exploitive of all working people.

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the structure of society which is still subtly racist and exploitive of all working people.

It's not subtly racist. It's hugely and obviously racist. There have been many "Make America White Again" signs, since the racists started to feel empowered by Trump. And indeed, poor people are exploited. It has always been that way, everywhere.

 

But the math is incontrovertible. Killing off the dumbest tiny fraction of a population over a long time will result in that population getting smarter ... provided intelligence is heritable ... which it is.

 

It doesn't only work for intelligence. If you kill off the 300,000 shortest Americans every generation for 100 generations, you'll end up with a group of Americans that's about 10% tallest than they would otherwise be, all else being equal.

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I strongly disagree with you on this point. It doesn't make any sense to divide people into smart or stupid or overestimate the likelihood of supposedly " exceptional individuals " who overcome adversity. The reason you don't have this problem among whites in most cases is because the percentage of poor and unemployed whites is lower compared to blacks. White people liberal and conservative alike focus too much on notions of black deviant behavior to keep from changing the structure of society which is still subtly racist and exploitive of all working people.

 

Concur. It doesn't make any sense to divide people by intellect, appearance, ethnicity, religion or geography. The only meaningful division is between exploiters and exploited. The only meaningful collective striving is toward as much economic equality as practically possible. There are already templates in the Democratic Socialist countries.

 

The Trump campaign revealed how much overt racism is still left in the US. It is foolish to identify with people who look like you rather than people who share the same life-goals for themselves and their loved ones. Plutocrats like Trump use separation of groups as a tool to divert attention from the lopsided imbalance of wealth that exists in the US today.

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It's not subtly racist. It's hugely and obviously racist. There have been many "Make America White Again" signs, since the racists started to feel empowered by Trump. And indeed, poor people are exploited. It has always been that way, everywhere.

 

But the math is incontrovertible. Killing off the dumbest tiny fraction of a population over a long time will result in that population getting smarter ... provided intelligence is heritable ... which it is.

 

It doesn't only work for intelligence. If you kill off the 300,000 shortest Americans every generation for 100 generations, you'll end up with a group of Americans that's about 10% tallest than they would otherwise be, all else being equal.

 

Even so called dumb and stupid people are human beings with worth and dignity. None of is perfect. If we pursue your line of reasoning it's " brave new world. " That's not going to lead life, liberty, or happiness for anyone except an elite with money and means.

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Even so called dumb and stupid people are human beings with worth and dignity. None of is perfect. If we pursue your line of reasoning it's " brave new world. " That's not going to lead life, liberty, or happiness for anyone except an elite with money and means.

Yes.

 

Please realize that I don't suggest that anyone actually do this. The line of reasoning is just that: reasoning. It isn't a call to action.

 

I'm just telling you the eventual long-term result of existing conditions. I neither created the conditions, nor do I endorse them.

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over centuries, bad conditions will result in various improvements in any group.

 

This is Darwin's principle of the continuation of species or groups with the most adaptable genes. Often, imprecisely called "Survival Of The Fittest" It is predicated on the premise that 1 - The group does not suddenly die off but continues with culling of poorly adapted genes and 2 - Individuals who fail to survive do so before procreating and passing on their genes to the next generation .... Generation after generation; Resulting in a better adapted group or species.

 

The reverse is also true:--- When an artificially protected group procreates, unchecked, over centuries or millenia, the result is degredation of that group or species. The Super Rich are an example. Continuous favorable conditions will result in deterioration of that group. Birds on isolated islands which lose their power of flight illustrate the principle. But on the technological front in the future, the Super Rich may be able to buy extra long life through biological breakthroughs. But, like other technology, it may become cheaply available to almost everyone after introduction.

 

These evolutionary and technological trends will continue among humans irregardless of the struggle for equality. That will continue. The broad historical trend favors equality.

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The reverse is also true:--- When an artificially protected group procreates, unchecked, over centuries or millenia, the result is degredation of that group or species. The Super Rich are an example. Continuous favorable conditions will result in deterioration of that group

Yes.

 

One is tempted to consider Paris Hilton as part of that trend. ;)

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As an African American who grew up on the south side its as simple as this:

 

-The police don't care about black lives, even black cops don't care about the people

 

-We are killing ourselves and allowing thug life to prevail. It's no one' fault but our own. Until we stop glorifying gangster life our youth in cities will continue to be like this

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All this talk about killing off Blacks as a way to improve their race is beyond disturbing. Under no circumstances should any of us condone Black on Black crime.

 

The reason we have problems within the Black community is institutional racism. Every one of the problems with inner city Black American all traces back to racism:

 

- high rates of incarceration

- high unemployment

- over-reliance on Government assistance

- Black on Black crime

- inability to hold a full time job

- low standardized test scores

- out of wedlock births

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All this talk about killing off Blacks as a way to improve their race is beyond disturbing. Under no circumstances should any of us condone Black on Black crime.

No-one talked about "killing off blacks to improve the race". No-one condoned "Black on Black crime".

 

Discussing the consequences of something is not the same as proposing it or condoning it.

 

 

As an African American who grew up on the south side its as simple as this:

-The police don't care about black lives, even black cops don't care about the people

-We are killing ourselves and allowing thug life to prevail. It's no one' fault but our own. Until we stop glorifying gangster life our youth in cities will continue to be like this

Why don't black cops care about black people?

 

I remember at one point everyone considered that having many black cops would improve the problem of discriminatory behavior by an all-white police force.

 

Why did that idea fail?

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Have some empathy! Just remember, some of the youths gunned down in Chicago recently could have grown up to be the scholars, the leaders and the artists of tomorrow. Oftentimes, kids grow out of their "gangsta" cultures and rise to become something very special. Many may have been about to turn their lives around and become that special person who helps elevate society to new levels, not tear it down.

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And like most major American cities it's segregated along residential lines with blacks in concentrated poverty.

Gang violence in a few neighborhoods distort the overall picture. It's like Aleppo as a representative for all of Syria

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Its called survival of the fittest. Those who survive long enough to reproduce have traits which are passed on, whereas those who die before dying don't pass on any traits.

 

They have looked at the survival value of intelligence in humans. One might expect that smarter people more often live to reproduce more than people who aren't as smart. One might expect that humans over time are becoming smarter and smarter. If I remember correctly there is no data supporting the idea that humans are becoming smarter. They have more knowledge because they have more access to information, but native intelligence has not increased.

 

On the other side, there have been a few governments that have decided to purge its society of all the educated (smart) people. Researching those societies indicates that within a generation, the average level on intelligence did not change. They traced intelligence to numerous DNA sequences and these sequences still show up.

 

So, the bottom line is I don't think the people dying in Chicago are necessarily the less intelligent people. (Even very smart people do stupid things). I think it would take a whole lot more than 40 random people dying.

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Its called survival of the fittest. Those who survive long enough to reproduce have traits which are passed on, whereas those who die before dying don't pass on any traits.

 

They have looked at the survival value of intelligence in humans. One might expect that smarter people more often live to reproduce more than people who aren't as smart. One might expect that humans over time are becoming smarter and smarter. If I remember correctly there is no data supporting the idea that humans are becoming smarter. They have more knowledge because they have more access to information, but native intelligence has not increased.

 

On the other side, there have been a few governments that have decided to purge its society of all the educated (smart) people. Researching those societies indicates that within a generation, the average level on intelligence did not change. They traced intelligence to numerous DNA sequences and these sequences still show up.

 

So, the bottom line is I don't think the people dying in Chicago are necessarily the less intelligent people. (Even very smart people do stupid things). I think it would take a whole lot more than 40 random people dying.

From what I remember hearing, low income Black people are more likely to breed at a higher rate, while getting an earlier start in many cases. If their average level of intelligence is lower in impoverished, highly reproductive communities , this would mean that their genetic intelligence levels would remain stagnant. No amount of population thinning would improve the overall intelligence of the community. Also interesting to note, is people of higher intellect tend to migrate from these communities, therefore leaving the less intelligent ones there to repopulate.

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From what I remember hearing, low income Black people are more likely to breed at a higher rate, while getting an earlier start in many cases. If their average level of intelligence is lower in impoverished, highly reproductive communities , this would mean that their genetic intelligence levels would remain stagnant. No amount of population thinning would improve the overall intelligence of the community. Also interesting to note, is people of higher intellect tend to migrate from these communities, therefore leaving the less intelligent ones there to repopulate.

 

The problem with measuring intelligence is that the tests are based upon White culture. Blacks are every bit as intelligent as Whites, they just don't have the same opportunities and testing advantages as Whites. For example, if you constructed a culturally modified intelligence test for Blacks, they would ace it every time and leave Whites in their dust.

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The problem with measuring intelligence is that the tests are based upon White culture. Blacks are every bit as intelligent as Whites, they just don't have the same opportunities and testing advantages as Whites. For example, if you constructed a culturally modified intelligence test for Blacks, they would ace it every time and leave Whites in their dust.

That is very true Lawrence, thank you!

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