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We sure have a lot of new trolls.

 

Bill

Just because I don't like gays/tranny in my bathroom or with children in there doesn't make someone a troll, being a freak doesn't mean I have to accept it. I just have to be tolerant as in not being an asshole, but if a dude goes in the bathroom and my kids screamed your ass is paying the price

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Just because I don't like gays/tranny in my bathroom or with children in there doesn't make someone a troll, being a freak doesn't mean I have to accept it. I just have to be tolerant as in not being an asshole, but if a dude goes in the bathroom and my kids screamed your ass is paying the price

 

And you want to commit genocide in the Middle East.

 

You are a troll. Go away.

 

Bill

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Spy Car: Please click on the report button (lower right) and them make a comment. Your complaint will be registered in the Moderator CP where all the mods can see it. I will get to it but I'm working on something else now and can only do one thing at a time

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Just because I don't like gays/tranny in my bathroom or with children in there doesn't make someone a troll, being a freak doesn't mean I have to accept it. I just have to be tolerant as in not being an asshole, but if a dude goes in the bathroom and my kids screamed your ass is paying the price

 

 

And you want to commit genocide in the Middle East.

 

You are a troll. Go away.

 

Bill

 

Let them do that to themselves over there is all I'm saying

 

FlashyNorfAfrica: -- Enough is enough. The other day you said you hoped Trump would use nukes on the Mid East, to kill them all. Today you claim you walk it back. You are mostly against LGBT. You express Liberal and Conservative views on the same subjects in different posts .... Often in inflammatory language.

 

Please confine your posting to No Holds Barred and the rest of the forum but do not post in the LO Rm any longer. If you persist, this will be enforced.

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Not against lgbt, just from a time when it wasn't in your face. On the ME, I don't make excuses for those who chant death to us and won't excuse it, you got blinders on if you can see what's going on.

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Not against lgbt, just from a time when it wasn't in your face. On the ME, I don't make excuses for those who chant death to us and won't excuse it, you got blinders on if you can see what's going on.

 

I asked you not to post in the LO Rm anymore. Evidently you don't think I meant it. One more time and you get locked out with a nice little three day suspension to cool off.

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With all of the hatred being posted in this thread in reference to the Middle East, lets just take a litte time to celebrate the diversity of religion in the world and see Islam as the religion of peace that it is! They are a loving people and we should be more accepting of their culture spreading into ours, like all of the progressive countries in Europe that have allowed the Muslim imigrants in to show them a different view on the world.

 

Celebrate Diversite Everyone!

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There's a lot of pain in the US today. I can see that pain manifesting itself even amongst like-minded people on an internet forum. Sadly, one of our peers has left the room. Take the time to heal, Flashy. Embrace your inner self, the essence of who you are, not the person others think you are. Heal, get better and come back to us, my friend.

 

My eyes are watering. Can't see the screen. :(

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Liberals don't advocate for genocide or support bigotry.

 

Bill

 

 

There is a movement calling for white genocide from liberals currently, not that its not unfair or wrong to call for it but there is.

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There is a movement calling for white genocide from liberals currently, not that its not unfair or wrong to call for it but there is.

Calling your bluff. Where is the link?

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Not against lgbt, just from a time when it wasn't in your face. On the ME, I don't make excuses for those who chant death to us and won't excuse it, you got blinders on if you can see what's going on.

Oh, I see. So you're fine with me being a lesbian as long as I don't actually give any hint whatsoever in my life that I'm a lesbian. I can't remark on how pretty someone is or how much I would like a girlfriend or hold a girlfriend's hand in public. I can't identify my gayness in any discernible way. No, seriously, fuck that. Try acting gay for every waking moment and never show you're straight. Don't look at a woman, make sure you show some attraction to men, and get back to me in a month and see how it's going for you.

 

Think about what you're saying.

 

 

There is a movement calling for white genocide from liberals currently, not that its not unfair or wrong to call for it but there is.

Bullshit alarm is rinnnginnng.....

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No matter what way a person looks, they need to be able to use whatever bathroom they like! Having a special bathroom for non binary genders is like something Nazis would do, or segregationist conservatives! Lets remember that Obama made it the law for us to use any bathroom that we want in government buildings and schools, and great places like Target have made it their rule so your intolerance is a thing of the past! You need to adapt to our new America and the non binary genders that are out there and in your world, no matter whet we look like!

See, here's the thing. I have no problem with actual transsexuals using the women's bathroom. But you say you're cisgender and sometimes you have no issues using the men's bathroom. I'm sorry, but I shouldn't have to feel uncomfortable with someone who looks like a man, dresses like a man, and is a man part of the time being in my bathroom for I don't know what reason. It's a sad truth, but based on my own experiences, unless I *know* someone like you is a trans upon coming into the bathroom, I can't for my own safety accept you there. You want to call out hey, trans here, and I'm okay with it.

 

But honestly, you just set off all my spidey-senses.

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There's a lot of pain in the US today. I can see that pain manifesting itself even amongst like-minded people on an internet forum. Sadly, one of our peers has left the room. Take the time to heal, Flashy. Embrace your inner self, the essence of who you are, not the person others think you are. Heal, get better and come back to us, my friend.

 

My eyes are watering. Can't see the screen. :(

 

He's got an uncommon burden of psychic agony to overcome. Nobody should wish these things on others.

 

The US shouldn't be in the business of spreading wealth across the world because no other country is doing that either. Those camel riding scum don't give a fluck about our ideals in the states or in Europe, they hate our freedom. Fuck them I want carpet bombing and napalm for Christmas, I'll invite those pieces of shit to my home for ham diner then blow the place up like those knuckle dragging pieces of shit did to so many. They are a festering disease that needs radiation to cure it

 

I respectfully understand your position in respect to Einstein, only good thing about his nukes is I hope one day trump uses a few to level the Middle East because it's a hot bed of oppression and abuse of women and children where ISIS kills people of opposite political and religious views much like the Nazis did.

When our messiah, pres Obama won and earned the noble peace prize, I had hope in my heart for continued world peace, now after seeing suffering and multiple terrorist attacks in the world I wish to see oppressors blow to pieces.

 

 

I really like your screen name, but I'm hoping it's related to the Green Party and not about the profiteering geopolitical fossil fuel industry

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I wanted to add this:

 

I'm no conservative, but I can understand the discomfort here. If I can't tell someone *is* trans, how am I supposed to know? And should I just ignore my own life experience of a predator in the bathroom and potentially make myself unsafe? Like I said, increase security in bathrooms and I'm fine. My discomfort has nothing to do with trans people and everything to do with not knowing if someone is a trans person or a sicko. And by sicko, I do not mean differently-gendered. I mean peeping Toms, molesters, thieves, drunk and rowdy guys, etc. The new bathroom laws won't increase the number of men who go into bathrooms to do bad things. I agree that trans women should be able to use the women's bathroom. But I also know there are women who have been molested or raped (I am one of the former) who will never feel comfortable in a bathroom with someone who looks like a man. And that discomfort is very real and just as valid as your discomfort using a men's bathroom.

 

I have no idea what you are. Like I said, the label you gave yourself is very unclear. Since you haven't clarified it, all I can do is understand it based on the meanings of the individual words. So, sometimes you're cisgender and feel perfectly fine using the men's bathroom. And sometimes you're.... I dunno what. Sorry.... nope, not comfortable. And this is why we need to work on solutions that honor the needs of *everyone*.

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99% of the time, I'm sure that people are going into the bathroom to eliminate waste.

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99% of the time, I'm sure that people are going into the bathroom to eliminate waste.

Agreed. Unfortunately, I have experienced the 1% before.

 

By the way, I *love* your signature.

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Agreed. Unfortunately, I have experienced the 1%% before.

I'm very sorry to hear that.

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But honestly, you just set off all my spidey-senses.

For good reason.

Imagine it in person:

 

You're at a party, you express an opinion. A person near you hears, then agrees with you. In fact agrees with more than the few words you said, and a bit clumsily, like he doesn't really believe or understand the underpinnings of what he's saying. He comes across espousing a whole range of related ideas in an extreme and disjointed way.

 

This lack of verbal grace would lead you to some possible conclusions:

First possibility: He's a real nut, looking to fit in, looking for acceptance.

Second possibility: He doesn't believe what he's saying. He's parroting a range of ideas he associates with liberals, doing it to acquire your confidence, to get an "in" - for some reason.

 

That's NUT. He's told us, via the poorly spelled handle he uses, that he's modelling a "liberal nut". What real liberal refers to themselves as a liberal nut?

 

I think he's here to get people to say things, things that will later be taken out of context to make liberals look bad.

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For good reason.

Imagine it in person:

 

You're at a party, you express an opinion. A person near you hears, then agrees with you. In fact agrees with more than the few words you said, and a bit clumsily, like he doesn't really believe or understand the underpinnings of what he's saying. He comes across espousing a whole range of related ideas in an extreme and disjointed way.

 

This lack of verbal grace would lead you to some possible conclusions:

First possibility: He's a real nut, looking to fit in, looking for acceptance.

Second possibility: He doesn't believe what he's saying. He's parroting a range of ideas he associates with liberals, doing it to acquire your confidence, to get an "in" - for some reason.

 

That's NUT. He's told us, via the poorly spelled handle he uses, that he's modelling a "liberal nut". What real liberal refers to themselves as a liberal nut?

 

I think he's here to get people to say things, things that will later be taken out of context to make liberals look bad.

For me the issue is a little more straightforward. Libeealnut claims to be 'trans-a-sexual cisgender'. Now, it's his(?) right to self-identify with a label of choice, but the label is nonsensical. One can be asexual transgender or asexual cisgender, or one can be asexual gender-fluid, because one defines gender and the other sexual preference. If I were to use the cisgender label (I don't), I would be a lesbian cisgender female. I just call myself a lesbian chick and that's that. But if we go by actual definitions of words, one cannot be trans and cis, because they mean the exact opposite. If someone switches *between* identifying trans and cis, there are several actual terms with that meaning, neither which is 'trans' or 'cis', because they have their own distinct meanings.

 

I am not going to assume for the now that Libeeal is a troll, but I would like some clarification on very confusing and technically incorrect terminology. And this is one of the issues with my discomfort. What he claims to be by name isn't actually a thing. What he claims to be in his posts is potentially a thing -- gender-fluid is the most clear word I can think of. But not knowing, again, spidey-senses tingling.

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Sorry, was thinking you were Libeeal.

 

I know that gender isn't assigned physically. And I have no issues with someone who is trans sharing a bathroom with me *as long as I have some way of knowing that this person is trans*. But if some random person physically male walks into the women's bathroom with no other identifier, how am I supposed to know intent? I was in a bathroom once and a dude walked in and was walking up to stall doors and peering through the door cracks to get a lookie-see. He was not in there for #1 or #2, and luckily he was escorted out by security. This was before cell phones were much of a thing. Now, I recognize that this is very rare, and I have shared bathrooms knowingly with trans people before and had no issue with it. Why? They were obviously trans. I'm sure I've shared bathrooms with people who are trans who I thought were physically women.

 

Libeeal is presenting as a man. I *think* his identification means that sometimes he's cisgender and sometimes transgender. Okay, I can understand this. But if he's feeling transgender on a specific day and still dresses and looks like a man (which seems the case from his story) and decides to use the women's bathroom, how are the women already in that bathroom to know the difference? I don't assume all men are going to do shit to me. However, because of my experiences, having a man I don't know in my bathroom is extremely uncomfortable. Again, I hate public bathrooms in the first place because I don't like doing my business around other people in the first place.Also, if I am feeling in a particularly horny mood and need to use the facilities, I honestly stay in the stall until the bathroom is empty because I don't want to accidentally cause anyone else discomfort.

 

I am advocating for middle ground here. Intolerance is very real, but not all the discomfort is based on intolerance. Some of it is very much based on having had real life bad experiences with predatory men and an abundance of caution due to that. Men doing bad things in women's bathrooms is exceedingly rare, and the Conservative argument that trans people shouldn't be able to use Bathroom X because women and children are somehow unsafe is bullshit, because they never cared about the safety of women or children in bathrooms before. But on the other hand, that doesn't mean that there isn't very real reason for nervousness when the psychological gender is not evident. There needs to be some way for ALL people to be able to use a bathroom safely and comfortably.

 

(By the by, I could also understand if straight women were uncomfortable with me as a lesbian if they somehow found out. And I would feel terrible if they felt uncomfortable on account of me. I would personally not be against using an 'other' bathroom.

 

To automatically label someone as sexist (or intolerant) is also not a solution to the problem. The important thing to do is to open a dialogue to find the root to the objections and to work to come to a consensus and solution that can work for *everyone*.

 

^^^This is the clear thread winner. ^^^

You're absolutely correct on all accounts as far as I can see, including your conclusion. The main issue is conflating bathroom time with sex simply because of the nudity (however well concealed it may be). That's why I tend to stay away from public restrooms, especially in suspect places. The mall is probably okay for me, but I'd rather avoid a rest stop off a major highway for bathrooms regardless of what gender they're labeled.

For what it's worth - yes, I get extremely creeped out and my spidey senses go nuts with that "rape-y" vibe if anyone so much as makes eye contact with me in a public bathroom, regardless of the gender sign on the door (and yes, I've used both when the line for one is to long or the other is to dirty). The women's room can be worse than the men's room once you get out to low populated areas on a road trip or go into some bad neighborhoods in Chicago (you'd be surprised how many aggressive lesbians there are out there that act like the men you described). The smells are about equal lol. I highly prefer the single room option for everywhere but I realize that's not practical to install in all places (kudos to Target for adding them after idiots complained about a non-issue though!).

On a side note - you can masturbate in a public bathroom? Doesn't the setting kill it for you even if nobody else is around? I've only known men to do that so far (I guess because they don't care if others are around listening). I know women physically and sexually assault other women in bathrooms (on a regular basis, unfortunately), but I've just never seen or heard of one going off into a stall to do "their other business" and I know I've never encountered it in person. I guess I'll call you weird for now but it takes all kinds to make the world go round! :)

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I wanted to add this:

 

I'm no conservative, but I can understand the discomfort here. If I can't tell someone *is* trans, how am I supposed to know? And should I just ignore my own life experience of a predator in the bathroom and potentially make myself unsafe? Like I said, increase security in bathrooms and I'm fine. My discomfort has nothing to do with trans people and everything to do with not knowing if someone is a trans person or a sicko. And by sicko, I do not mean differently-gendered. I mean peeping Toms, molesters, thieves, drunk and rowdy guys, etc. The new bathroom laws won't increase the number of men who go into bathrooms to do bad things. I agree that trans women should be able to use the women's bathroom. But I also know there are women who have been molested or raped (I am one of the former) who will never feel comfortable in a bathroom with someone who looks like a man. And that discomfort is very real and just as valid as your discomfort using a men's bathroom.

 

I have no idea what you are. Like I said, the label you gave yourself is very unclear. Since you haven't clarified it, all I can do is understand it based on the meanings of the individual words. So, sometimes you're cisgender and feel perfectly fine using the men's bathroom. And sometimes you're.... I dunno what. Sorry.... nope, not comfortable. And this is why we need to work on solutions that honor the needs of *everyone*.

 

This is all why Obama made it so we can use whatever bathroom we want to/feel comfortable in!

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