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Using the Womens Bathroom as a Trans-A-Sexual Cisgender

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We all just need to be more accepting of Islam! They are a religion of peace, but the conservatives are so mean to them.

The quran clearly instructs that infidels that cannot be converted must be killed.....They are cockroaches....

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No, it isn't intolerant to feel uncomfortable when someone who LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE A MAN comes into the WOMEN'S bathroom, and it isn't intolerant for me to not want to be in a vulnerable position when someone physically larger and stronger than me comes into the bathroom. I have no idea what someone's orientation is and only have visual cues to go by. That's how humans work, you know. So unless you come into a bathroom and call out -- hey, trans here, women have no reason to know you're not a regular dude being lost / drunk stupid / nasty / unable to get into the dude's bathroom. I've had men try to force themselves on me. I have my pants down to do my business. This hobbles me. So yeah, sorry, feeling unsafe for lack of cues beyond "man" is not fucking intolerant. It's me wanting to Not Be Pinned Somewhere By A Guy Again. Don't like it? Change the whole fucking rape culture in America, then get back to me.

 

We ALL need to use a bathroom we feel comfortable in. However, someone who looks exactly like a man in the women's bathroom makes ME uncomfortable. In fact, it scares the fucking shit out of me. So no, the price of your comfort is NOT my discomfort. And it has nothing to do with your gender orientation. It has everything to do with your physical body being male and you, from your story, physically presenting as male. If you look like a guy, since other guys can't tell what your orientation is, why can't you go into a stall and shut it and then you don't see dudes. Does that bring you discomfort? Then you're being as intolerant of men in the men's bathroom as I am of you in my bathroom.

 

There are better solutions. One would be an all-gender bathroom with proper security. This is the least pleasant solution. The second would be to have two sets of women's and men's bathrooms, or a men, women, and other. With this second option, we would need to de-stigmatize alternate sexualities and gender identities. The third option would be for multiple single-person stalls and maybe a common wash area.

 

Tolerance goes both ways.

 

No matter what way a person looks, they need to be able to use whatever bathroom they like! Having a special bathroom for non binary genders is like something Nazis would do, or segregationist conservatives! Lets remember that Obama made it the law for us to use any bathroom that we want in government buildings and schools, and great places like Target have made it their rule so your intolerance is a thing of the past! You need to adapt to our new America and the non binary genders that are out there and in your world, no matter whet we look like!

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We all just need to be more accepting of Islam! They are a religion of peace, but the conservatives are so mean to them.

They throw people like you off buildings...lol

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The quran clearly instructs that infidels that cannot be converted must be killed.....They are cockroaches....

 

All true Muslims say that's a mischaracterization of the Quran, it needs to be read in Arabic by a Muslim.

They throw people like you off buildings...lol

 

You cannot base your view of every Muslim off of one or two misunderstood people.

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No matter what way a person looks, they need to be able to use whatever bathroom they like! Having a special bathroom for non binary genders is like something Nazis would do, or segregationist conservatives! Lets remember that Obama made it the law for us to use any bathroom that we want in government buildings and schools, and great places like Target have made it their rule so your intolerance is a thing of the past! You need to adapt to our new America and the non binary genders that are out there and in your world, no matter whet we look like!

Like i said....i dont care....use whatever bathroom you want...thats the least of your problems...your a pervert..and thats ok too...so am i in some ways....but don't expect everyone else to deal with your problem....

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Like i said....i dont care....use whatever bathroom you want...thats the least of your problems...your a pervert..and thats ok too...so am i in some ways....but don't expect everyone else to deal with your problem....

 

You have to accept it, you have no choice, Obama being the great person he is made it the law, and you wouldn't want hate crimes charged against you by the DOJ now would you. Wave made examples of those conservatives that make wedding cakes and didn't want to for gays, we can always make examples of hate crimes against multi gendered people too!

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You have to accept it, you have no choice, Obama being the great person he is made it the law, and you wouldn't want hate crimes charged against you by the DOJ now would you. Wave made examples of those conservatives that make wedding cakes and didn't want to for gays, we can always make examples of hate crimes against multi gendered people too!

I think North Carolina did away with that...If your an "inny"...you use the ladies room. If your an "outie" you use the Mens room,,,It's the law there....Most gay, trans, whatever are just perverts or people seeking attention...the few that really are born gay-trans...thats a birth defect....same as if you were born with an extra thumb or something.. I am socially very liberal...so i think i'm not at odds with you...do and be however you need to to be happy....but don't try and force your beliefs on others....do your thing.....

What does Cis mean...?

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Gender is not assigned physically, you can mentally feel like a man, and physical are a woman, but in reality you are a man, to be uncomfortable is sexist.

It is no more intolerant of me to feel uncomfortable with men in my bathroom than it is for you to feel uncomfortable in the men's bathroom, and no less.

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Gender is not assigned physically, you can mentally feel like a man, and physical are a woman, but in reality you are a man, to be uncomfortable is sexist.

Sorry, was thinking you were Libeeal.

 

I know that gender isn't assigned physically. And I have no issues with someone who is trans sharing a bathroom with me *as long as I have some way of knowing that this person is trans*. But if some random person physically male walks into the women's bathroom with no other identifier, how am I supposed to know intent? I was in a bathroom once and a dude walked in and was walking up to stall doors and peering through the door cracks to get a lookie-see. He was not in there for #1 or #2, and luckily he was escorted out by security. This was before cell phones were much of a thing. Now, I recognize that this is very rare, and I have shared bathrooms knowingly with trans people before and had no issue with it. Why? They were obviously trans. I'm sure I've shared bathrooms with people who are trans who I thought were physically women.

 

Libeeal is presenting as a man. I *think* his identification means that sometimes he's cisgender and sometimes transgender. Okay, I can understand this. But if he's feeling transgender on a specific day and still dresses and looks like a man (which seems the case from his story) and decides to use the women's bathroom, how are the women already in that bathroom to know the difference? I don't assume all men are going to do shit to me. However, because of my experiences, having a man I don't know in my bathroom is extremely uncomfortable. Again, I hate public bathrooms in the first place because I don't like doing my business around other people in the first place.Also, if I am feeling in a particularly horny mood and need to use the facilities, I honestly stay in the stall until the bathroom is empty because I don't want to accidentally cause anyone else discomfort.

 

I am advocating for middle ground here. Intolerance is very real, but not all the discomfort is based on intolerance. Some of it is very much based on having had real life bad experiences with predatory men and an abundance of caution due to that. Men doing bad things in women's bathrooms is exceedingly rare, and the Conservative argument that trans people shouldn't be able to use Bathroom X because women and children are somehow unsafe is bullshit, because they never cared about the safety of women or children in bathrooms before. But on the other hand, that doesn't mean that there isn't very real reason for nervousness when the psychological gender is not evident. There needs to be some way for ALL people to be able to use a bathroom safely and comfortably.

 

(By the by, I could also understand if straight women were uncomfortable with me as a lesbian if they somehow found out. And I would feel terrible if they felt uncomfortable on account of me. I would personally not be against using an 'other' bathroom.

 

To automatically label someone as sexist (or intolerant) is also not a solution to the problem. The important thing to do is to open a dialogue to find the root to the objections and to work to come to a consensus and solution that can work for *everyone*.

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What if a person was born a female, but through plastic surgery they still look mostly female but now with an ambiguous twisted wiener package?

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What if a person was born a female, but through plastic surgery they still look mostly female but now with an ambiguous twisted wiener package?

If her boyfriend donated the weiner....he gets to help her try it out......lol.. What a bunch of circus freaks.....

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If her boyfriend donated the weiner....he gets to help her try it out......lol.. What a bunch of circus freaks.....

Labels are something I like to use, please think before you post

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Is it not obvious to everyone that Shadongshamarkee and LIBEEALNUT are both conservatives here to provoke, and are probably even the same iteration?

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Is it not obvious to everyone that Shadongshamarkee and LIBEEALNUT are both conservatives here to provoke, and are probably even the same iteration?

Libeeanut is just a little messed in the head actually through pm yesterday he explained his little fucked up childhood, shadongshark is a douche prodding us

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Is it not obvious to everyone that Shadongshamarkee and LIBEEALNUT are both conservatives here to provoke, and are probably even the same iteration?

 

They don't appear to be the same person. Shadongsharkee has only a few posts at this point.

 

LIBEEALNUT is a "special case". Definitely provocative, even disruptive; but Conservative? ... I don't see it. Please quote something he has said that is Conservative in nature. Can you make a case that LIBEEALNUT is Conservative, other than a gut feeling?

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LIBEEALNUT is a "special case". Definitely provocative, even disruptive; but Conservative? ... I don't see it. Please quote something he has said that is Conservative in nature. Can you make a case that LIBEEALNUT is Conservative, other than a gut feeling?

The way a person disrupts by pretending to be liberal is by 1) taking every single liberal position to a ridiculous extreme, and 2) posting non-sequiturs

 

He's doing both.

 

BTW, thanks for understanding "iteration" as person. I didn't catch my phone's autocorrect.

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The way a person disrupts by pretending to be liberal is by 1) taking every single liberal position to ridiculous extreme, and 2) posting non-sequiturs

 

He's doing both.

 

1 and 2 are both correct from our point of view. But for proof there needs to be a 3 .... And that would be a in the nature of a slip, where some kind of Conservative bias is revealed. I can't take any action without more positive evidence than 1 and 2.

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Maybe we should do away with the 2 bathroom system....just have 1 big bathroom with stalls....and everybody uses that....regardless of what you think you are...? Problem solved...? Would take a while to implement. But start with all the new construction...and retrofit existing over time.

American Women are independent, educated, and well armed, we can take care of ourselves in the crapper...Then u would just have to be in there with your kids...probably should anyway.

One of the "undecideds" tries anything weird....the .40 Glock will take care of his sex change right then and there....lol

 

There's a lot of greatness in this idea. I actually saw this work at a nudist campground that I frequent. They basically have one restroom with individual stalls and urinals. It's really the best of both worlds as it allows people to identify with the gender they feel most comfortable with while simultaneously offering privacy (individual stalls) for those who still need to work on their sensitivity.

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I like that idea Lawrence are there any actual hot chicks there though, I went to a nude beach in the 90's with my girlfriend back then, most of the women were old fat pigs. This is back in the landing strip days and some of the older ladies were in full bush. I was about to pitch a half tent on one mid 30's women there, probably wouldn't ever do that again though with all the gay stuff these days I hear at those colonies and clubs

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I understand this is only an ideal to strive for - But there should be no shame about the human body, male, female and other. And not just idealized bodies but the obese, the old, and the infirm. Society now is exposed almost exclusively to lean, muscled male bodies and curvaceous to almost emaciated females. That is not the way it SHOULD be. There needs to be more of an acceptance of all kinds.

 

And everybody's shit stinks. Even the Queen of Siam.

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The way a person disrupts by pretending to be liberal is by 1) taking every single liberal position to a ridiculous extreme, and 2) posting non-sequiturs

 

He's doing both.

 

BTW, thanks for understanding "iteration" as person. I didn't catch my phone's autocorrect.

 

To think that I am taking this issue to some extreme is offensive! Obama has already made it the law that people of the many genders can use any bathroom they please in government facilities because he is well versed in current day social issues, and great companies like Target have already followed suite. Second, that a person should have to pass a "looks" test is not only demeaning, but offensive and sexist! Third, that people would say that they are uncomfortable in a bathroom with me is cruel and sounds like some old down south Jim Crow argument, just current day! People need to get on board with the current day social issues and stop being gender/trans-phobic!

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Third, that people would say that they are uncomfortable in a bathroom with me is cruel and sounds like some old down south Jim Crow argument, just current day!

Never mind a bathroom ... I'd be uncomfortable in any room with you, and nothing to do with gender. I think you're not genuine in what you say. I don't believe that you're stated opinions are real.

 

That's all.

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I understand this is only an ideal to strive for - But there should be no shame about the human body, male, female and other. And not just idealized bodies but the obese, the old, and the infirm. Society not is exposed almost exclusively to lean, muscled male bodies and curvaceous to almost emaciated females. That is not the way it SHOULD be. There needs to be more of an acceptance of all kinds.

 

And everybody's shit stinks. Even the Queen of Siam.

Hey I'm a booty man I don't like pencil arms and legs, and I definitely don't like fucking guys, it was just a question and it's kind of not my thing really. Only did it 3 times over 2 years with her, got a sunburn on my junk too prove it wasn't for me

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Never mind a bathroom ... I'd be uncomfortable in any room with you, and nothing to do with gender. I think you're not genuine in what you say. I don't believe that you're stated opinions are real.

 

That's all.

 

To say that because I hold true progressive ideals supported by our leaders that I must be some secret conservative scum is so ridiculous and sounds like Joseph McCarthy in reverse!

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To say that because I hold true progressive ideals supported by our leaders that I must be some secret conservative scum is so ridiculous and sounds like Joseph McCarthy in reverse!

I think he means nobody can be as screwed up and backward as u claim to be..and still be allowed to leave your parents basement... You had me goin there for a while....lol

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