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The "Truth" problem.


Cecelia
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It seems that we are living in a post-truth world. What is true, doesn't matter. Only feelings. Newt Gingrich said it, and it's not exactly false. "Feelings" matter more than "facts" and Republicans have taken advantage of that. How far we've come from John Addams saying: ""Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence" to Newt Gingrich ignoring facts for feelings.

 

Honestly this shouldn't come as a surprise to me, but it does. I mean it's obvious that conservatives don't care about facts. It's why they deny climate change. It's why they continue to confuse democratic socialism for socialism and communism. (How many times have you seen a conservative who uses them as synonyms?) And instead of reacting to facts by changing their minds, they instead revel in their ignorance (even as they continue the conservative tradition of deflecting by calling others ignorant)

 

Conservatives have this strategy of spreading lies--and they spread them so much to the point where to most people it becomes the truth. Hillary Clinton responsible for Benghazi. Doesn't matter that we spend millions trying to prove wrongdoing, and couldn't--by a Republican Led group. But as long as people keep hearing she's responsible, they'll start believing it.

 

"Hillary laughed at a rape victim, and got her attacker off!" Nevermind that this has been proven false. Nevermind that the guy didn't 'get off' and 'plead guilty'. That doesn't matter. SNOPES is just a liberal website trying to use the truth to fool the conservatives. Of course that lie prevails, as do many others.

 

We liberals on the other hand can't give into such falsehoods. It goes against our nature. Conservatives spread a lie, and their base eats it up. Liberals try the same thing, and a number of them start debunking it. We value logic too much to ignore things like evidence.

Someone said that 2 million illegals voted for Hillary--and the conservatives buy it hook line and sinker. They believe people like James O'Keefe and his ironically named Project Veritas. Imagine if liberals were doing the same thing? Imagine we went to ALEC and used heavily edited videos to make them look worse than they are (not that we'd need to). Imagine if we actually went to ALEC and posted unedited videos--conservatives still wouldn't believe them. They'd consider it a boogeyman issue.

 

I think conservatives are doing so well because they can perpetuate all the lies they like. And they become 'truths'. Socialism is Communism. Charters Schools work (despite their failure rate being ridiculous). Vouchers work. (They really don't). And no matter what evidence we provide, we can't combat it. I think part of the reason they want to privatize education is so that fewer people are educated, and easier to lie to. Who needs evidence when you've got feelings? Numbers don't matter. Nothing does except for how you feel.

As a society, we have to find a way to combat this.

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I agree with what you said, but what is the solution? De we do what the cons do and thus become like them? It is sad to believe that so many Americans fall for these untruths without first trying to fact check them

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As the OP suggests, more quality education is the answer. The Cult Of Ignorance feeds on low information voters with limited critical thinking skills. For this reason, the Republicans have waged a war against widespread, quality education. From defunding public schools, to encouraging charter schools, to the encouraging of "for profit" colleges and universities.

 

The more education people have, the more they tend to value fact-based information. The less educated are, on the whole far more gullible and prone to manipulation by demagogues.

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Oh Cecelia, you are so spot on, I do contend. But that fact and others seemingly go someplace, possibly at the bottom of an empty well under a hard place to die. Yet, more evident, is the divide, which has at least partly, as you suggest been created by lie. The lies have been going down for several years. The same lies over and over again become truth to too many.

 

The gun manufacturers were all hoping Hillary would win, knowing that sales would go up if she did overnight.

 

Another huge part of the problem is promises that don't fix the hurt people have.

People who voted for Trump are folks who work in coal mines - no, Trump won't bring back lost coal jobs. He cannot because coal futures are at an all time low.

 

There are pockets in the south and Midwest that have never been restored. Unions have been gutted, and factory jobs that are still around have gone to non-union states at lowered wages.

 

 

We see all these news stories about black folk getting killed by police for nothing other than a speeding ticket or even far less. And truthfully, neither side of the aisle has been able to make change in the hardest neighborhoods

where kids have no hope.

 

And the wars suck. And we're all afraid of terrorists. And illegal immigrants who came here only for low wage jobs out of need for their own personal survival hide.

 

Yes, Obama came in when it was a mess, and yes, he did a lot of hard work and tried his best. Obama was upfront and truthful and tried his best to bring folks together and stop the divide.

 

But many people, too many people it seems did not feel it. And too many people also have this personal hatred towards Hillary, which is majorly unfounded.

 

I myself was never happy with Wall Street nor our financial system in general / nor the neo-liberal approach. Only in America do we pay so much more for prescription drugs all thanks to our politicians on both sides.

 

But the truth, as we both know, has gone some place, I don't know where, maybe it's in one of those sealed and cemented fracking pipes, or all ready half buried underneath the Missouri river.

 

 

Peace!

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It's that fucking religion. Gets people used to magical thinking. The "personal" relationship with baby Jeezus. Fuck we got numbers of religious yahoos in this country that one would suspect among old ladies in Sicily.

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