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There was one man who predicted with complete accuracy, precisely what would happen if we invaded Iraq.

 

"know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

 

I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda."

 

Barack Obama

 

Oct.2, 2002

 

 

 

Because they deceived everyone, those in Congress who voted to authorize the president to use force IF SADDAM DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE WEAPON INSPECTORS, can not be held culpable because fraud negates consent.

 

* They knew before the invasion the uranium deal allegation was bogus - it came from the discounted stories file at the CIA - dug up by amateurs set up to do an end around CIA analysts. It was based on bogus, ridiculously bogus documents.

 

* They knew before the invasion the moblie chem/bio weapons lab allegation was phony and was based on the story of a drunk who was in no position to know, but they didn't tell us that.

 

* They knew before the invasion that those aluminum tubes were not sutable for use in a centrifuge, as the administration claimed, because when tested, the damned things fell apart in a centrifuge, but they didn't tell us that.

 

* They knew there was no Iraq/al Qaeda connection, but didn't tell anyone of the intel reports that said so.

 

* They lied outright when they said Saddam's brother-in-law told us the Iraqi nuke program was going full speed. When he defected, the bloke told us it had been shut down for a decade or so. They didn't tell us that.

 

* They lied when they said Saddam would give WMD to terrorists. Some in Congress knew this, but it was classified so they couldn't tell the American people that the intel contradicted the Bush administration.

 

* Had they bothered to check with our best UAV experts in the Air Force, they would have been told that Iraqi UAVs were incapable of carrying the WMD and spraying equipment needed to use them to deliver WMD, but they didn't ask. They just made stuff up about it.

 

* They likewise refused to tell us that the CIA had recruited over 30 family members and close friends of Iraqi WMD scientists and engineers. These agents went into Iraq before the invasion with questions on the WMD program, and they all came back, unanimous in telling us everything had been shut down a long time ago.

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Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002

"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
-- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
-- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002


"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
-- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)

I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening.
-- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MT) Nov. 2, 2003

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Irrelevant???

 

Yes

 

 

 

UN weapons inspector Hans Blix faults Bush...

 

berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/03/18_blix.shtml

 

 

Mar 18, 2004 ... "There were about 700 inspections, and in no case did we find weapons of mass destruction," said Hans Blix, the Swedish diplomat called out ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

THREATS AND RESPONSES - THE INSPECTOR - Blix Says...

 

www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/world/threats-and-responses-the-i...

 

 

Jan 31, 2003 ... ... negative report on Iraq's cooperation with international inspectors, Hans Blix on Wednesday ... He said that the inspectors had reported no such incidents. ... '' It's bad enough that Iraq may have weapons of mass destruction.

 

 

 

 

 

Weapons inspector Hans Blix claims 'global...

 

www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/1405848/weapons-inspe...

 

 

Jul 7, 2016 ... TONY Blair ignored warnings there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the UN's chief weapons inspector Dr Hans Blix said today.

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z09....all irrelevant...you can keep posting that until you're Blue in the Face

 

 

WHAT DID THE UN INSPECTORS SAY??????????????????????????????????????????????

Irrelevant?

 

The leading politicians from BOTH parties agreed that Saddam had WMDs...

 

Irrelevant?

 

The head of the CIA said it was a slam dunk they had WMDS..

 

So who do you believe Benson? The head of the CIA or some weapons inspector?

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he nailed it.

He nailed it.......

 

Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."

-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998

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Ex-C.I.A. Chief, in Book, Assails Cheney on Iraq -...

 

www.nytimes.com/2007/04/27/washington/27intel.html

 

 

Apr 27, 2007 ... George J. Tenet said that the vice president and others pushed the ... Mr. Tenet admits that he made his famous “slam dunk” remark about the ...

Mr. Tenet admits that he made his famous “slam dunk” remark about the evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. But he argues that the quote was taken out of context and that it had little impact on President Bush’s decision to go to war. He also makes clear his bitter view that the administration made him a scapegoat for the Iraq war.

 

A copy of the book was purchased at retail price in advance of publication by a reporter for The New York Times. Mr. Tenet described with sarcasm watching an episode of “Meet the Press” last September in which Mr. Cheney twice referred to Mr. Tenet’s “slam dunk” remark as the basis for the decision to go to war.

 

“I remember watching and thinking, ‘As if you needed me to say ‘slam dunk’ to convince you to go to war with Iraq,’ ” Mr. Tenet writes.

 

As violence in Iraq spiraled beginning in late 2003, Mr. Tenet writes, “rather than acknowledge responsibility, the administration’s message was: Don’t blame us. George Tenet and the C.I.A. got us into this mess.”

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Hey Benson

 

When Clinton left office he claimed there were WMDS still in Iraq...

 

Wanna explain?

 

 

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)

 

 

 

So is he lying?

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"unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."

 

 

that raygun and daddy bush had given Saddam....while they turned their backs as he killed thousands of his own people

 

Blix did find remnants of these, however they were desd weapons with a shelf live of only 10-12 years

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"unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."

 

 

that raygun and daddy bush had given Saddam....while they turned their backs as he killed thousands of his own people

 

Blix did find remnants of these, however they were desd weapons with a shelf live of only 10-12 years

So Benson...

 

Clinton says he left office and there were WMDs..

 

How about that?

 

 

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."

-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)

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http://www.newsweek.com/2015/05/29/dick-cheneys-biggest-lie-333097.html

 

 

When Blix’s inspectors came up empty, the Bush administration demanded that they portray the equivalent of popguns as major threats. For example, officials told Blix that two items found by inspectors—a balsa wood drone with a motorcycle engine and a rusted, decades-old bomb that amounted to little more than a massive paperweight—should be declared violations of the WMD restrictions. When Blix scoffed at this, administration officials anonymously leaked lies that misrepresented what the two items were, falsely declared that the inspection team thought they constituted violations of the U.N. weapons restrictions on Iraq, and attacked Blix for hiding the truth to prevent war. Ultimately, Blix found nothing. And, just as Cheney promised, the administration dismissed this strong intelligence as meaningless.

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President Clinton and the head of the CIA disagrees with you Benson..

 

Sorry...

 

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)

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""there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons""

 

that raygun and daddy bush gave Saddam

 

 

AGAIN....WHAT DID THE UN INSPECTORS SAY?????????????????????????????????????

and bush/cheney invaded anyways

Benson..

 

Then will you admit that Clinton and the head of the CIA both lied?

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Clinton was unsure and NEVER INVADED....the head of the CIA lied...

 

 

 

UN Inspectors said NO WMD...bush/cheney still invaded

 

If Iraq was sitting on Olive Oil VS Crude, your Neo-Cons would have ignored Iraq

 

 

 

Plenty of the best-informed intelligence sources were certain the WMDs were a fantasy. French intelligence knew it; so did Russia and Germany. The strongest human intelligence collected by the CIA—which secretly came from the Iraqi foreign minister, Naji Sabri, and Iraq's head of intelligence, Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti—was detailed, correct and ignored. Instead, the administration built its case on Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi (the infamous “Curveball,” a man German intelligence had warned the CIA was unreliable) and Muhammad Harith, a former Iraqi intelligence officer whose information was dismissed by British intelligence as a fabrication 10 months before the war began.

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Clinton was unsure and NEVER INVADED....the head of the CIA lied...

 

 

 

UN Inspectors said NO WMD...bush/cheney still invaded

 

If Iraq was sitting on Olive Oil VS Crude, your Neo-Cons would have ignored Iraq

 

 

 

Plenty of the best-informed intelligence sources were certain the WMDs were a fantasy. French intelligence knew it; so did Russia and Germany. The strongest human intelligence collected by the CIA—which secretly came from the Iraqi foreign minister, Naji Sabri, and Iraq's head of intelligence, Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti—was detailed, correct and ignored. Instead, the administration built its case on Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi (the infamous “Curveball,” a man German intelligence had warned the CIA was unreliable) and Muhammad Harith, a former Iraqi intelligence officer whose information was dismissed by British intelligence as a fabrication 10 months before the war began.

This has to do with if they had WMDS...

 

And Clinton must have lied right?

 

How can you explain this statement?

 

People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."

-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)

And why would the head of the CIA say they had WMDS too?

 

Why Benson?

 

 

Why did the head of the CIA and Clinton lie?

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  • 5 years later...
On 9/2/2016 at 9:13 AM, benson13 said:

Clinton was unsure and NEVER INVADED....the head of the CIA lied...

 

 

 

UN Inspectors said NO WMD...bush/cheney still invaded

 

If Iraq was sitting on Olive Oil VS Crude, your Neo-Cons would have ignored Iraq

 

 

 

Plenty of the best-informed intelligence sources were certain the WMDs were a fantasy. French intelligence knew it; so did Russia and Germany. The strongest human intelligence collected by the CIA—which secretly came from the Iraqi foreign minister, Naji Sabri, and Iraq's head of intelligence, Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti—was detailed, correct and ignored. Instead, the administration built its case on Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi (the infamous “Curveball,” a man German intelligence had warned the CIA was unreliable) and Muhammad Harith, a former Iraqi intelligence officer whose information was dismissed by British intelligence as a fabrication 10 months before the war began.

So Benson

 

You said 5 years ago that Clinton was "unsure"

However now you said he lied

 

Which one was it?

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