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Halt! Vote!

 

Rational Reasons for Refusing to Vote

 

Some politicians look good in the early going. But the more I hear them say, the more I learn about what they've done, and the more I discover what they plan to do... the worse they seem. It doesn't take long for most of them to appear downright dangerous.

 

They say the stupidest things and expect us to believe them. They get caught lying and act like it is somebody else's fault. They promise to do what's impossible, like spending trillions on new programs without raising taxes or cutting existing programs. They are unbelievable.

 

I wonder why most of them are out of the looney bin. I certainly can't agree to give them power over me, you, and the normal people.

 

In fact, I can't imagine any reason for giving anybody the power to rule.

 

My vote is my power -- and they're not getting it.

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Giving my vote power to a politician, because he claims he'll use it to serve me...is like giving my gun to a stranger in an alley, because he claims he'll use it to protect me.

 

Falling for such a ruse makes a person a willing participant in his or her own victimization.

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Politicians are dangerous. Anybody who wants power can't be trusted with it.

 

Voters are political enablers. The act of voting makes one an accomplice to the abuses of power to come. And believe me, all politicians abuse the power.

 

If you vote, you are almost as guilty as the politicians.

 

If you vote, you forfeit your right to complain or resist.

 

If you don't vote, you aren't part of the problem.

 

That's why I don't vote.

 

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If you vote, you can still complain and/or resist. There's no rule against it. If you don't vote, you join the ranks of the impotent and apathetic. Failure to vote, may be a protest in your own mind, but it goes no farther. Not voting is an ineffectual form of dissent.

 

Election boycotts are a self-defeating strategy. Lack of participation does not nullify election results and the distorted voting further detaches boycotting groups from the organs of power, leaving them politically irrelevant..

 

No system in which elected representatives are chosen by the electorate is perfect. But all are better than totalitarian government. Representative government is weakened proportionally to the number of non-voters; Making it that much easier for tyrants to take power.

 

In case no candidate is satisfactory, it is the duty of every citizen to choose one, over the others, to the best of his/her ability.

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Color me skeptical, but when a person quotes Barry Goldwater on his or her website and then comes on a liberal forum to argue for not voting, i must question both the motives and whether the poster is a liberal.

 

Bill

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Color me skeptical, but when a person quotes Barry Goldwater on his or her website and then comes on a liberal forum to argue for not voting, i must question both the motives and whether the poster is a liberal.

 

Bill

 

Maybe so, maybe not SpyCar. One way or the other, it will probably become apparent soon enough.

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Color me skeptical, but when a person quotes Barry Goldwater on his or her website and then comes on a liberal forum to argue for not voting, i must question both the motives and whether the poster is a liberal.

 

Bill

I also quote George Carlin and many others.

 

There are many forms of "Liberal", not just the FDR-Clinton-Marx crowd.

 

Before the modern "Progressive Liberals" existed, "Liberals" were people like Thomas Payne, Samuel Adams, Tom Jefferson, and George Washington.

 

"Classical Liberals" believe in less government, low taxes, and no royalty.

 

"Anarcho-liberals" believe the state should be abolished completely.

 

"Progressive Liberals" believe the government should be everything to everybody, protecting and serving them "like veal calves..."

 

Worshippers of the Cult of the Omnipotent State do not have any monopoly over the term "Liberal". It is older than their philosophy. FDR's publicists stole the term from the "Classical Liberals" whose philosophy more resembled Barry's than Bernie's.

 

Believe it or not, there are a lot of different forms of "Liberal".

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Halt! Vote!

 

Rational Reasons for Refusing to Vote

 

Some politicians look good in the early going. But the more I hear them say, the more I learn about what they've done, and the more I discover what they plan to do... the worse they seem. It doesn't take long for most of them to appear downright dangerous.

 

They say the stupidest things and expect us to believe them. They get caught lying and act like it is somebody else's fault. They promise to do what's impossible, like spending trillions on new programs without raising taxes or cutting existing programs. They are unbelievable.

 

I wonder why most of them are out of the looney bin. I certainly can't agree to give them power over me, you, and the normal people.

 

In fact, I can't imagine any reason for giving anybody the power to rule.

 

My vote is my power -- and they're not getting it.

******************************************************

 

Giving my vote power to a politician, because he claims he'll use it to serve me...is like giving my gun to a stranger in an alley, because he claims he'll use it to protect me.

 

Falling for such a ruse makes a person a willing participant in his or her own victimization.

******************************************************

 

Politicians are dangerous. Anybody who wants power can't be trusted with it.

 

Voters are political enablers. The act of voting makes one an accomplice to the abuses of power to come. And believe me, all politicians abuse the power.

 

If you vote, you are almost as guilty as the politicians.

 

If you vote, you forfeit your right to complain or resist.

 

If you don't vote, you aren't part of the problem.

 

That's why I don't vote.

 

 

These are irrational and nihilistic reason for refusing to vote. Election boycotts are a self-defeating strategy. Lack of participation does not nullify election results and the distorted voting further detaches boycotting groups from the organs of power, leaving them politically irrelevant..

 

One less is subtracted from the voting count for each citizen refusing to vote; Leaving that much more room for tyrants to take away the vote entirely. We could be on the cusp of such an event now with the looming threat of Der Trumpkopfk. It is necessary to prioritize issues in order of importance and not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

In order to keep representative government alive, all voters have a duty to choose the best candidate available and vote according to their conscience. Simply because one is not satisfied with any of the candidates is no reason not to vote.

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I also quote George Carlin and many others.

 

There are many forms of "Liberal", not just the FDR-Clinton-Marx crowd.

 

Before the modern "Progressive Liberals" existed, "Liberals" were people like Thomas Payne, Samuel Adams, Tom Jefferson, and George Washington.

 

"Classical Liberals" believe in less government, low taxes, and no royalty.

 

"Anarcho-liberals" believe the state should be abolished completely.

 

So are you any of those you listed? Or a combination? Or none of those? Nowadays, those trying to get others not to vote, is a Conservative stance.

 

"Progressive Liberals" believe the government should be everything to everybody, protecting and serving them "like veal calves..."

 

Worshippers of the Cult of the Omnipotent State do not have any monopoly over the term "Liberal". It is older than their philosophy. FDR's publicists stole the term from the "Classical Liberals" whose philosophy more resembled Barry's than Bernie's.

 

Believe it or not, there are a lot of different forms of "Liberal".

 

Half the Conservatives who intrude in the Liberal's Only Room, claim to be Liberal. You are beginning to sound like them.

 

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"FDR-Clinton-Marx crowd"?

 

I think the question is settled.

 

This Liberal will be voting in November and in every election subsequent for as long as I draw breath.

 

Not buying what this guy is selling.

 

Bill

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So are you any of those you listed? Or a combination? Or none of those? Nowadays, those trying to get others not to vote, is a Conservative stance.

 

 

Half the Conservatives who intrude in the Liberal's Only Room, claim to be Liberal. You are beginning to sound like them.

 

Rules for LO

Welcome to Liberals only forum

 

No conservatives allowed

Post respectfully, personal attacks will not be tolerated

No more than five new threads a day

No trash talking about members and their kids

No porn, or links to porn

No gore pictures

No cursing in thread titles

No, 'outing' of members or their families; names, addresses, phone numbers, SSNs, etc.

No linking to other political forums

No solicitations

I REJECT the BULLCRAP of some old English definition of ' Liberal" that's NOTHING like American Liberal in 2016.

I question this.....ANTI DEMOCRACY troll . This newbie.. is not even a true Libertarian. Maybe anarchist or nihilist? That's another thread. Who joins a POLITICS forum and says....DON'T Vote? That's odd. Anyhow.. this nonsense is FAR waay from LIBERAL. Send the troll off to NHB where he can play with the strange folk.

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I REJECT the BULLCRAP of some old English definition of ' Liberal" that's NOTHING like American Liberal in 2016.

I question this.....ANTI DEMOCRACY troll . This newbie.. is not even a true Libertarian. Maybe anarchist or nihilist? That's another thread. Who joins a POLITICS forum and says....DON'T Vote? That's odd. Anyhow.. this nonsense is FAR waay from LIBERAL. Send the troll off to NHB where he can play with the strange folk.

 

How come nobody here seems to read the 2nd rule of this forum?

 

Frankly, Hillary Clinton is WAY more conservative than I am. She is a worshipper of the Cult of the Omnipotent State -- in fact a High Priestess. She supports all of the same failed policies of the big party duopoly, the power of the state to do whatever it wants, warmongering and interference all over the world... and all of the things I have spent my life opposing.

 

I protested the Vietnam War and worked for Civil Rights and walked precincts and made phone calls for the McGovern Campaign in 1972. The difference is that I still oppose war and support civil rights. She now supports war and uses civil rights as a tool to oppress the very people she pretends to care about.

 

Of course, Trump's a phony, too. Detesting them both, I am glad that I don't have to choose. And detesting most of what government does, I am glad that I don't have to give my consent to any of it.

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Frankly, Hillary Clinton is WAY more conservative than I am. She is a worshipper of the Cult of the Omnipotent State -- in fact a High Priestess.

 

Exaggerated hyperbole. Hillary has taken money from big corporations, including Wall St and Big Pharma. She has been a "friend" of big corporations. Time will tell if she is sincere about adopting progressive economic policies.

 

She supports all of the same failed policies of the big party duopoly, the power of the state to do whatever it wants, warmongering and interference all over the world... and all of the things I have spent my life opposing.

 

But it's highly unlikely she will get us into MAJOR wars or unleash nukes, as Der Trumpfkopfk is likely to do.

 

I protested the Vietnam War and worked for Civil Rights and walked precincts and made phone calls for the McGovern Campaign in 1972. The difference is that I still oppose war and support civil rights.

 

Then do not fail to vote for Hillary and against Trump. Because, if Trump wins, we all can kiss civil rights goodby. If Trump wins, there's a good chance voting, at least for president, will end.

 

She now supports war and uses civil rights as a tool to oppress the very people she pretends to care about.

 

 

Hillary's record shows her to be socially Liberal and economically Conservative. She has a very low trust quotient among the electorate. If she wins, she will be in on a trial basis only. If in her first term, she pursues Neo-liberal policies, one of the Berniecrats will challenge her. http://berniecrats.net/

Bernie has already demonstrated that there is an appetite among the electorate for a return to progressive policies. There is a good chance to defeat her in four years.

 

Of course, Trump's a phony, too. Detesting them both, I am glad that I don't have to choose. And detesting most of what government does, I am glad that I don't have to give my consent to any of it.

 

That's because you do not acknowledge how much worse Trump is than Clinton. When neither candidate is acceptable, it is the duty of each citizen to choose one over the others, to the best of his/her ability.

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Voting is neither a "right" nor a "duty", it is a "privilege".

 

"Privileges" are given to certain "privileged (privy liege)" persons in exchange for their support of their "leige lords".

 

Taking advantage of a "privilege" creates a "leige relationship" with the "leige lords". It is a contract stating that the "leige" accepts whatever the "master" rules.

 

Since I don't intend to be a "privy liege", I reject the "privilege", refuse the contract, and live a considerate life.

 

That doesn't mean that the "liege masters" won't pillage me. However, it will be without my consent.

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Voting is neither a "right" nor a "duty", it is a "privilege".

 

"Privileges" are given to certain "privileged (privy liege)" persons in exchange for their support of their "leige lords".

 

Taking advantage of a "privilege" creates a "leige relationship" with the "leige lords". It is a contract stating that the "leige" accepts whatever the "master" rules.

 

Since I don't intend to be a "privy liege", I reject the "privilege", refuse the contract, and live a considerate life.

 

That doesn't mean that the "liege masters" won't pillage me. However, it will be without my consent.

 

In your case, not voting seems like a good choice.

 

I don't think any of us will be following your example. I know I won't.

 

Bill

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Voting is neither a "right" nor a "duty", it is a "privilege".

 

"Privileges" are given to certain "privileged (privy liege)" persons in exchange for their support of their "leige lords".

 

Taking advantage of a "privilege" creates a "leige relationship" with the "leige lords". It is a contract stating that the "leige" accepts whatever the "master" rules.

 

Since I don't intend to be a "privy liege", I reject the "privilege", refuse the contract, and live a considerate life.

 

That doesn't mean that the "liege masters" won't pillage me. However, it will be without my consent.

 

You will help set them free to do far worse than pillage your loved ones and yourself.

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I'm completely sympathetic to your intentions ElVeto, But if you look at the statistics, Its normally a fraction of the registered voters that actually vote. Voter apathy is a serious problem as far as elections go because it means that a fraction of the people end up representing the whole.

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Don't vote in the general sense, vote for city council sure, vote for your town mayor, or judge, but don't vote in a national election... or vote for the Green party is like not voting, so, there is no difference either way, depending where you live, this is very very true.

 

Why don't they spell it out for you because it is true! Has nothing to do with being apathetic. What a white wash to do about nothing at all, like what your actual vote actually means in truth. Nothing, it means nothing.

 

You a consumer buys, that means more than what you vote for. They know that. That's really all they care about.

 

Peace!

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