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Yeah with guns illegals can get guns legally.

Not always guns. Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial - OJJPAC.org

morning hater

This disturbs me ( Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial - OJJPAC.org ) - - - therefore, according to Liberal 101 - - - I am a hater. Any other haters like me out there?

If I were Trump, I would have a slide show of this behind me at every rally.

Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial - OJJPAC.org

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How many homicides are committed by illegal aliens in the US annually?


How does it compare to the overall homicide rate?


Bad shit happens everyday Jimbo.. Demonizing a group of people will not make that go away.



Good point - - - we already have enough home grown monsters to sort out - - - a major chore in itself; so why allow more monsters to be imported?

This is one of many lists. Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial - OJJPAC.org

Every victim would be alive if these things did not enter our country. How to rationalize? Liberal 101 - American citizens kill American citizens, so this must be accepted, correct? Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial - OJJPAC.org

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How many homicides are committed by illegal aliens in the US annually?


How does it compare to the overall homicide rate?

You don't really want to know but I'm going to tell you anyway.




In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life. The explosive figures show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population would suggest. Critics say it is no accident that local, state and federal governments go to great lengths to keep the data under wraps.



Let’s look at a few numbers. You haven’t seen them in the New York Times, Atlanta Constitution, or the Miami Herald, nor have they been featured on NBC Nightly news or CNN. So, the average American is blissfully unaware of them.


Between 2008 and 2014, 40% of all murder convictions in Florida were criminal aliens. In New York it was 34% and Arizona 17.8%.


During those years, criminal aliens accounted for 38% of all murder convictions in the five states of California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and New York, while illegal aliens constitute only 5.6% of the total population in those states.


• That 38% represents 7,085 murders out of the total of 18,643.


That 5.6% figure for the average illegal alien population in those five states comes from US Census estimates. We know the real number is double that official estimate. Yet, even if it is 11%, it is still shameful that the percentage of murders by criminal aliens is more than triple the illegal population in those states.


Those astounding numbers were compiled by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) using official Department of Justice data on criminal aliens in the nation’s correctional system. The numbers were the basis for a presentation at a recent New Hampshire conference sponsored by the highly respected Center for Security Policy.


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Damn it Jim! They are not all monsters...



Only the ones who cause human misery. So, do you figure this is worth the risk?

Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial - OJJPAC.org

I will defend anyone who wishes to enter my country legally - obey our laws - swear allegiance, & become a legal law abiding productive citizen.

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If I were Trump, I would have a slide show of this behind me at every rally.



We know your would, Jimbo.

You absolutely OOZE negativity from every pore.

Liberal 101 - - - deny hard reality.

Participating in a global society will have risks associated with it.


I think the economic benefits that we gain from participating in a global economy outweigh the amount of social disruption that comes with it. Leaders have to minimize it and they won't by isolating us.


Not too bad sugar coating reality. This would be an example of social disruption, correct?


Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial - OJJPAC.org

The benefits gained from participating in a global society are well worth the slaughter of the innocent. Again - Liberal 101.

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The Government Accountability Office has data that show otherwise. Here is the leading sentence from a 2011 GAO report (GAO-11-187, Criminal Alien Statistics, March 2011).

“The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons in fiscal year 2010 was about 55,000, and the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails was about 296,000 in fiscal year 2009 (the most recent data available), and the majority were from Mexico.”

(SCAAP is the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program and in this context means “illegal aliens” – a GAO term meaning “Noncitizens whom ICE verified were [or whom states and local jurisdictions believe to be] illegally in the United States at the time of incarceration”.)

As for those federal prisoners, the GAO states, “In fiscal year 2005, the criminal alien population in federal prisons was around 27 percent of the total inmate population, and from fiscal years 2006 through 2010 remained consistently around 25 percent.”

The Washington Post cites an even higher number for 2013, 38.6%, yet dismisses those federal numbers as “not indicative of general crime trends of non-citizens,” because most criminals are incarcerated in state or local facilities.

The Facts

Per the GAO, “as of fiscal 2009, the total alien – non-U.S.-citizen – population was about 25.3 million, including about 10.8 million aliens without lawful immigration status.”

Since the population of the U.S. was about 306.8 million in 2009, non-citizens comprised 8.25% of the population and illegal aliens about 3.52%. (Recall that they represented 25% of the federal prison population then, and almost 39% in 2013.)

How many crimes did they commit? Almost three million. Here they are.


Now here is where the data get dicey: how do we convert these numbers to rates so that we can compare illegal aliens and non-citizens to other groups, such as U.S. citizens or inhabitants? We have to look at how the GAO determined those estimates.

“To determine the type of offenses for which criminal aliens were convicted, we analyzed data from the U.S. Sentencing Commission on federal convictions of criminal aliens from fiscal years 2003 through 2009 and conviction data from five states – Arizona, California, Florida, New York, and Texas – from fiscal years 2005 through 2008.”

So now we have an apples and oranges problem. The federal data cover seven years and all non-citizens. The state and local data cover four years and illegal aliens only (and only those reported via SCAAP).

Let’s take homicide as an example. The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.

Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher.

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Liberal 101 - - - this is well worth the risk.


I'm curious, at what number - figure should the line be drawn?


So what are you going to say to the 25,000 murdered victims families, "What Difference Does It Make Now?"

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