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as Democratic Party nominee that his presidency will be “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal”?


Seems to be another promise he couldn't keep...




Alarmists Are In Way Over Their Heads On Rising Ocean Claims

Larry Bell ,


I write about aerospace, environment, energy, Second Amendment policy

Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.


Modelled maximum extent of the Antarctic ice sheet 21,000 years before present (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

I have asked my very good friend Dr. Fred Singer to comment about the latest U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Summary for Policymakers report with particular regard to their most recent sea level rise projections. Dr. Singer is an expert in remote sensing measurements, having served as founding director of the U.S. Weather Satellite Service, vice chair of the U.S. National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmosphere, deputy assistant administrator for policy at the EPA, and as a reviewer for several of the IPCC reports. He is an elected Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Geophysical Union, the American Physical Society, and the American Institute for Aeronautics and Astronautics.


Fred is a professor emeritus at the University of Virginia, and directs the Science & Environment Policy Project which has produced a series of scientific Non-Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (NICPP) report studies which often take issue with IPCC conclusions. NICPP’s new publication “Climate Change Reconsidered II: Physical Science” is available at no cost on-line.


Fred, it’s obvious that the IPCC has got lots of ‘splainin’ to do about how their previous global warming doomsday predictions based upon hypothetical computer models they claimed to have confidence in got it so wrong . That won’t be easy. Political operatives at their upcoming damage-control meeting in Stockholm this week will have to figure out how to spin evidence of a 17 year “pause” in global temperature rise and the expanding Arctic ice mass despite what they love to describe as “record high” atmospheric CO2 concentrations.


Few would care about any of these climate crisis capers at all, were it not for the epic climate science budget bonanza rising ocean scare. The simplified, dumbed-down story packaged and distributed for the public goes like this:

  • Evil carbon dioxide from human fossil burning is heating the climate to unprecedented levels.
  • This is causing glaciers to melt and sea levels to rise at an accelerating and disastrous rate.
  • The salvation of our planet depends upon an immediate transition to wind and solar energy, electric cars and bicycles, and less consumption-oriented lifestyles.

Is everything really that simple?

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Larry, no, reality is a good deal more complex than that. First of all, the accelerated warming that was forecast to produce catastrophic sea level rise flooding Bangladesh and Pacific islands causing hundreds of millions of refugees to flee coastal regions hasn’t occurred. This isn’t to say either that the planet hasn’t been warming, or that sea levels haven’t risen. Of course they have, although these are hardly new developments. I can also make an argument that rising sea levels and warming periods may be somewhat disconnected matters.


Let’s understand that the world’s mean temperatures have been rising at a pretty constant rate of about one degree Fahrenheit (0.6oC) over the past 100 years, and is likely to continue , although with both warmer and cooler fluctuations, for many hundreds of years into the future. Over each of the past several centuries, including the last one, sea levels rose by about 7 inches (18 cm).

Accordingly, neither the overall warming trend or sea level rise began with the fossil-burning Industrial Revolution… nor have they changed in any detectable way due to human influences. And we can’t even really know that the second follows the first. Sea levels rose during the Little Ice Age from about 1400-1859 AD… a period which was considerably colder than now.


Incidentally, do you remember when presidential candidate Obama declared during his June 8, 2008 victory speech as Democratic Party nominee that his presidency will be “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal”? Well although some tidal gauge data does show deceleration, since it started in 1960, the year he was conceived, he probably can’t take full credit for that.


There are proxy records, including organic and ocean sediment data, that provide a picture of past temperatures. But how can we really know the history of sea level changes dating back hundreds of years, or even during recent times?

Larry, tidal station gauges have been in existence for a century now, and as I mentioned earlier, the measured rate of sea level rise has been quite constant, about 18 cm per century. We can also get some picture of temperature and sea level changes over past millennia by looking at melting shrinkage rates of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. This can be determined by noting how much its “grounding line”, the points where it makes contact with the underlying land mass, has receded. Unlike floating sea ice which doesn’t influence sea level when it melts, the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is part of the land mass. When it melts, it adds to sea level just as melting glaciers do.


The end of the last Ice Age 18,000 years ago caused the sea level to rise by a huge amount…about 400 feet. This change happened rapidly at first, caused primarily by the melting of huge ice sheets covering North America and Eurasian land masses which disappeared about 8000-5000 years ago.

The West Antarctic Ice sheet began to melt at that time also, but at a much slower rate, and that melting continues today. We might expect this melting to continue until it is gone in another 7,000 years or so… or until the next Ice Age, whichever comes first. Other smaller ice sheets that once existed in the Antarctic are already gone.


The oceans will continue to rise, despite anything President Obama may attempt in order to stop them."


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you do know how the atmosphere works right. You know about the trapping of heat because of carbon correct? And you have people saying the ice caps are not melting. Your side is pushing that the ice caps are not melting and put out shit like this saying they are growing. Are you calling them liars and Dumbasses and now admitting that it's happening the gobal is warming. Because your side says that isn't happening that it's not getting warmer.

Some ice is melting, some is forming. It has always been so. The article I posted acknowledges the small rise in the oceans and the small increases in temperature. What Mr. Singer (and many others) is questioning is the attribution of this activity to human behavior. It has not been conclusively proven and frankly cannot be proven.


Tell me is there a way to DISPROVE the theory of AGW?

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ok here it is. Do you agree with your right wing brother. That the global is not warming????




Come now you already stated it was. So you guys need to get on the same page.

I already told you. The globe isn't warming. We haven't set a single record high here in my state this summer.

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See this is your side buddy. Dumb as a rock. Watch him closely.

See this is your side buddy. Dumb as a rock. Watch him closely.



Eight years old, living in his two mommys basement, stroking himself stupid.


We know, we know.


Don't look now ... it's too embarrassing.





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i mark a stump in the bay every time i fish the area and the water is always lower than the mark i made !!! thats fucking proof right there




Glory Be !


Scientific Proof


Settled Science


oceans not rising


thank you


thank you


wheres my fucking nobel peace prize

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