Jump to content

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

ScottMon

Why Aren't We Outraged?

Recommended Posts

Hillary and the DNC cheated. Period.

Really? What did they do that was "cheating"?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hillary and the DNC cheated. Period. If an athlete is caught cheating, that athlete, if/when he wins, is disqualified and the second-place athlete is declared the winner. Hillary Clinton did NOT win the primaries, as she cheated. She should be disqualified. Seriously, the chair of the DNC Debbie-do-anything-for-Hillary-Wasserman-Schultz (Kyle Kulinski, 2016) resigned from her position, only to be hired by Clinton mere hours later. This is the penultimate of corruption! Why aren't we outraged? I wonder the same thing. I AM outraged. Many people ARE outraged. What can we do? I don't know; I feel defeated. So, it seems that we have no recourse other than to drop out of the democratic party and express our outrage with a single, little noticed vote. :angry2: Boo.

 

 

Mendacity. 100% false narrative spread by one advocating illegal means to disrupt the Democratic convention.

 

If there is OUTRAGE, it should be aimed at you. You deserve to be defeated, and to feel defeated.

 

Good grief.

 

Bill

 

If you can demonstrate how Aliea's post is false, please do so. Simply attacking her in a purely personal and highly emotional fulmination demonstrates nothing but your own displeasure. It is pointless, except as a vindictive reprisal.

 

Next time, give facts, figures, numbers, links, mathematical formulas, and throw in the kitchen sink while you're at it. But in the LO Rm, REFRAIN FROM POSTING MELODRAMATIC DRIVEL.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

If you can demonstrate how Aliea's post is false, please do so. Simply attacking her in a purely personal and highly emotional fulmination demonstrates nothing but your own displeasure. It is pointless, except as a vindictive reprisal.

 

Next time, give facts, figures, numbers, links, mathematical formulas, and throw in the kitchen sink while you're at it. But in the LO Rm, REFRAIN FROM POSTING MELODRAMATIC DRIVEL.

 

 

The burden of proof is on those making accusations of cheating. One in my position can't prove a negative.

 

We can, however, show how this forum was used in an attempt to promote the disruption of the Democratic Convention (but pointedly NOT the Republican Convention) though this poster and her group (anti)Democracy Spring.

 

So these are crocodile tears.

 

Bill

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There are a wide variety of arguments you could have used without becoming personal. Your inappropriate responses have gone on for too long. You now have one warning point.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Mine is the appropriate response to people attempting to destroy the liberal movement through dishonesty and illegal means

 

I'm outraged!

 

Bill

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rules for LO

Welcome to Liberals only forum

 

No conservatives allowed

Post respectfully, personal attacks will not be tolerated

No more than five new threads a day

No trash talking about members and their kids

No porn, or links to porn

No gore pictures

No cursing in thread titles

No, 'outing' of members or their families; names, addresses, phone numbers, SSNs, etc.

No linking to other political forums

No solicitations

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The burden of proof is on those making accusations of cheating. One in my position can't prove a negative.

Corruption and collusion IS cheating. The corruption and collusion within the DNC was obvious, blatant and admitted by the party itself. It resulted in not only DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schult stepping down from her position as DNC Chair, it also resulted in the resignations of CEO Amy Dacey, CFO Brad Marshall, as well as DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda.

 

The DNC sent Bernie a "deep and sincere apology" for their staffers' behavior and stated that the emails exchanged were "inexcusable" and stated that their behavior "does not reflect the values of the DNC or our steadfast commitment to neutrality during the nomination process." Link, Link, Link. This needs to be rectified before the 2018 mid-terms.

 

The DNC doesn't just clear their top deck of executives for "mendacity," Bill. Wrong was absolutely done here. The DNC has admitted as much. Add in the questionable debate schedule (scheduling debates at times when viewership will be limited) and voter suppression (literally MILLIONS purged from the voter rolls in New York Link, Link, Link. Instead of bickering about it, why not start an open dialogue in how to fix these problems? The DNC stated in their apology letter to Bernie that they want to take steps to make sure things like this don't happen again. How can we accomplish that?

 

I'd like to think that the Democrats would like to add millions of young, energetic, active voters to their rolls. Instead, so far, they've been causing them to leave the party in droves.

 

We can, however, show how this forum was used in an attempt to promote the disruption of the Democratic Convention (but pointedly NOT the Republican Convention) though this poster and her group (anti)Democracy Spring.

Aleia was discussing a movement within the left that had been featured in the news. I wanted to discuss it also, as did quite a few others. The Bernie movement had (still has) legitimate complaints and peaceful protest is one way to air those complaints.

 

You seem to think that Bernie supporters should have just sat quietly and nodded their heads compliantly when they felt minimized and outright shafted. Democracy (at least I thought...) is all about being able to speak our minds, even if it goes against the grain sometimes. Democracy can be messy sometimes. It's not always quiet and polite. However, as long as it is peaceful and productive, peaceful protest is ESSENTIAL for our government to work for all our citizens.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What cheating?

 

Bill

See my post above. Collusion/corruption is "cheating."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

See my post above. Collusion/corruption is "cheating."

Let me re-phrase: What collusion and corruption?

 

What was as bad as the Sanders campaign stealing HRC data from the DNC? Where is the outrage on that one?

 

We are falling into a trap set by those who have an agenda of destroying the liberal Democratic nominee.

 

Bill

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Let

 

 

Let me re-phrase: What collusion/corruption?

Bill, you have a solid vocabulary. You know what those words mean. We've been through this since before the convention. The DNC ADMITTED they acted wrongly. There's really to discuss here except how to fix it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

BillBill, you've got more than an adequate vocabulary. You know what those words mean. We've been through this since that Friday before the convention. The DNC ADMITTED they acted wrongly.

You have never presented one single instance of DNC activities that rise to the level of cheating.

 

Bernie staffers cheated. Some DNC insiders preferred the Democratic nominee. So what?

 

Bill

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You have never presented one single instance of DNC activities that rise to the level of cheating.

I posted several links in my post above. For the DNC to clean house of nearly ALL it's top executives, absolutely shows wrong WAS done. Call it cheating, collusion, corruption, whatever you like. It resulted in a purge of top level DNC officials.

 

In that apology letter, the DNC stated that they wanted to make sure this never happened again.

 

My question to you: How can we accomplish that?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I posted several links in my post above. For the DNC to clean house of nearly ALL it's top executives, absolutely shows wrong WAS done. Call it cheating, collusion, corruption, whatever you like. It resulted in a purge of top level DNC officials.

 

In that apology letter, the DNC stated that they wanted to make sure this never happened again.

 

My question to you: How can we accomplish that?

 

Forget links. Name the outrages. What actions rose to the level of cheating?

 

Bill

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Forget links. Name the outrages. What actions rose to the level of cheating?

 

Bill

We've already duked this one out, Bill. If you don't believe me, believe the exodus of high level DNC executives that just tendered their resignations. An organization like the DNC doesn't clean house right before an election unless lots of wrongdoing went down.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So does anyone have any ideas how we can keep this from happening again? :huh:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So does anyone have any ideas how we can keep this from happening again? :huh:

 

The Democratic Party needs some strong fracturing to set it right. What ever was the use of continuously sliding to the right? Bernie is not the bad guy here, there has been a long list of forgotten people in the US for far too long.

 

Peace!

 

The 3 point answer, Easier said than done.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The 3 point answer, Easier said than done.

Well done! :D That's a great answer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We've already duked this one out, Bill.

No, you haven't. You keep saying that they cheated, he keeps asking you to name what they DID that was "cheating", and you keep repeating that they "cheated", without citing ONE SINGLE THING.

 

If you don't believe me, believe the exodus of high level DNC executives that just tendered their resignations. An organization like the DNC doesn't clean house right before an election unless lots of wrongdoing went down.

 

Nonsense. You know perfectly well that something that could become a political liability - even if false - could also be the cause, so your pretense that that somehow is "proof" fails miserably.

This also illustrates that you simply CAN NOT cite one single thing that was "cheating".

 

So does anyone have any ideas how we can keep this from happening again? :huh:

Keep WHAT from happening again?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No, you haven't. You keep saying that they cheated, he keeps asking you to name what they DID that was "cheating", and you keep repeating that they "cheated", without citing ONE SINGLE THING.

I've used the words "corruption" and "collusion." Another poster used the word "cheating." The emails discussing ways to lower Bernie's points in primaries, planning debates on nights when few actually watched, the purging of thousands of voters from the voter rolls, creating fake news stories that were reposted by order of the DNC's Communications Director, etc. I've posted many threads on it.

 

http://www.liberalforum.org/index.php?/topic/195418-why-arent-we-outraged/page-4&do=findComment&comment=1059559007

 

I don't believe that every member of the DNC was in on it. But it does need to stop. If an organization states it is impartial, it should be impartial to all candidates.

 

This also illustrates that you simply CAN NOT cite one single thing that was "cheating".

Again, I used the terms "corruption" and "collusion." See my sources in the link above. I've posted this stuff over and over. I'll dig up links to my other posts, too.

 

Keep WHAT from happening again?

Corruption and collusion within the Democratic party. The DNC's letter to Bernie stated they were going to work to make sure it didn't happen again. We were discussing what should be done to ensure it won't happen again. Longtime Democrats have been unregistering from the party because of it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

No, you haven't. You keep saying that they cheated, he keeps asking you to name what they DID that was "cheating", and you keep repeating that they "cheated", without citing ONE SINGLE THING.

 

If you don't believe me, believe the exodus of high level DNC executives that just tendered their resignations. An organization like the DNC doesn't clean house right before an election unless lots of wrongdoing went down.

 

Nonsense. You know perfectly well that something that could become a political liability - even if false - could also be the cause, so your pretense that that somehow is "proof" fails miserably.

This also illustrates that you simply CAN NOT cite one single thing that was "cheating".

 

 

Keep WHAT from happening again?

 

This is exactly correct. The charges of cheating have been oft repeated. But where's the beef?

 

Not one single specific.

 

Bill

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is exactly correct. The charges of cheating have been oft repeated. But where's the beef?

 

Not one single specific.

 

Bill

You responded to my threads on the subject (all with sources).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So does anyone have any ideas how we can keep this from happening again? :huh:

 

That is the vital question. I wish I had an answer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fake news stories:

http://www.liberalforum.org/index.php?/topic/194893-remember-the-accusation-against-berniecrats-of-chair-throwing-in-nv/

The DNC's Director of Communications Luis Miranda asked the reporter of the fake story to continue reporting this false story to harm Sanders' campaign. The story was posted repeatedly on several news sites.

 

 

Lack of equal treatment by the DNC (a requirement by the party's own rules and by-laws):

http://www.liberalforum.org/index.php?/topic/194859-released-emails-suggest-the-dnc-derided-the-sanders-campaign/?p=1059536986

 

 

Collusion with the media:

Upon inspection of several emails, it is apparent that the DNC was working overtime to make Sanders and his supporters look as bad as possible. Its apparent that while criticisms of Sanders were direct, officials were careful to never explicitly express support for Clinton, either.

 

The Inquisitr reported originally that the hacker claimed to have been in the DNCs networks for nearly a year. The newly released emails appear to give this claim veracity, as many of them show direct collusion with media outlets such as Real Clear Politics to either correct stories or change them to make Sanders look bad.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3336913/latest-wikileaks-dump-proves-dnc-bias-against-bernie-sanders/

 

 

 

Leaked emails from the Democratic National Committee posted on WikiLeaks Friday show that the committee was looking for ways to undermine the Bernie Sanders campaign.

 

The emails support claims by Sanders supporters that the Democrats were actively working against him, though they may not be completely surprising to anyone following Democratic primary and the open tension between the Sanders campaign and DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2016/07/the_dnc_email_leaks_show_craft.html

 

 

Even the Clinton campaign, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, CFO Brad Marshall called the emails wrong, embarrassing, and inexcusable. CFO Marshall, CEO Amy Dacey, and Communcations Director Luis Miranda all resigned. Do you really think all this would have happened if everything was fair, even-handed and on the level (as is required by the DNC)?

 

No, members of the DNC stacked the deck against the Sanders campaign from the start.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Could you help us out by not linking to threads that then link to other sources?

 

What cheating?

 

Bill

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

×
×
  • Create New...