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I'm pretty sure Bernie wasn't going to win but why wasn't he at least given fair treatment by the DNC.

 

At what point do we say this isn't fair or democratic?

 

I'm pretty mad about this.

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I don't think it means the system is rigged per se?

 

I don't think they are not allowed to have their biases.

 

I do wish Bernie was the nominee but you know it is what it is. I'll take Hillary over Trump any day. I'd like to have a word with those Bernie people who are considering voting for Trump or essentially voting for him by voting for Stein. I'd like to know their reasoning.

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I'm pretty sure Bernie wasn't going to win but why wasn't he at least given fair treatment by the DNC.

 

At what point do we say this isn't fair or democratic?

 

I'm pretty mad about this.

 

I think the time to be mad is over now. Because of Bernie, the Democratic platform is the most progressive in history. And DWS, the main instigator in Bernie's unfair treatment has been taken down several notches

 

The corporate gravy train will probably be fed more fuel with Hillary at the wheel. If that happens, the middle class will shrink further. I deeply resent that I have to vote for Hillary but Trump would be a far worse catastrophe.

 

Trump is an extreme sociopath. His business record shows it. Judging by his past actions, Trump would be a career criminal today if he hadn't inherited a fortune.

 

- Trump U. scam.

- Mafia ties

- Unscrupulous business dealings

- Union busting while claiming to support labor

- Beauty pageant scandal. Insults, rape and abuse.

- Racial housing discrimination in NYC

- Tenant intimidation for eviction. Tore down walls. Cut off heat and hot water. Etc.

- The four bankruptcies.

- The undocumented Polish workers

- Alleged marital rape .... Ivana Trump.

- Breaking casino rules .... Was fined in several states.

- Anti-trust violations

- Has brought 3,500 lawsuits, many trivial .... Many thrown out .... Many against those who could not fight back, financially.

- Condo hotel shenanigans. New York, Florida, Mexico

- Corey Lewandowski

- Suing journalist Tim O'brien for libel because book criticized Trump. Suit was thrown out.

- Refusing to pay workers and contractors

- Keeping his tax information secret from the public

 

http://www.theatlant...candals/474726/

http://www.usatoday....ttles/84995854/

 

Like you say, Bernie probably would have lost despite the all-too-real rigging that took place; Because, compared to Hillary he had very little name recognition; Also, the fact that he's 74. But the Bernie campaign brought the income gap out of the shadows and forced the mainstream media to at least, mention it somewhat.

 

Now, as people continue to slide economically downhill, there will be more widespread recognition of the cause. So, if Hillary supports oligarchic policies, she will be attacked extensively from the left as well as the right .... And in that case, I doubt she'll make it to a second term .... If Hillary surprises and comes through with progressive polices, she will get eight years.

 

If she beats Trump, that is.

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DNC insiders favored a Democrat. Big deal.

 

Next.

 

Bill

They need to rewrite the nomination rules then. They need to state, straight up, that "the DNC is biased and if we favor someone else, we're going to sabotage your campaign."

 

Why did they LIE and say they were being impartial? Why didn't they just announce last November that Hillary was going to be the Democratic candidate?

 

Why did they waste everyone's time and money? Why the 7-month long dog and pony show?

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I'm not there yet. :( Not even close. I'm furious.

 

I can understand why RR, but, IMO, it no longer can do any good. The situation is what it is. We still have a situation that's far from hopeless. So far Hillary's speeches promise a progressive, pro-union, anti-TPP agenda. She might even come through, for the most part.

 

If not, I believe she will be out in four years because, due to Bernie's efforts, a much larger portion of the electorate is now aware of the causes of the increasing income gap. That will leave the way open for one of the Berniecrats to run.

 

People are fed up. If Hillary becomes president, she will be there for a trial run only.

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I can understand why RR, but, IMO, it no longer can do any good. The situation is what it is.

I realize that. :( It's sad without the WikiLeak b/s. But since those emails came out, I've gone from sad to pissed.

 

There were a number of things that went on at the convention that were upsetting, to say the least. Three close friends of mine went to Philly as delegates, so I got three first-hand accounts. I won't rant on and on, but it all could (and should) have been handled so much better. Instead, many Bernie supporters were treated as party crashers....some even prevented from re-entering the convention center if they left for a protest or other event. One friend's seat was taken by someone who claimed they were "paid to be there and cheer."

 

My friend's Bernie sign was taken from him; he was given a "stronger together" sign to replace it. Lots of forced, faux unity going on for the sake of the cameras - and I'll leave it at that. :(

 

We still have a situation that's far from hopeless. So far Hillary's speeches promise a progressive, pro-union, anti-TPP agenda. She might even come through, for the most part.

I sincerely hope she does come through....for the sake of this country. I just don't trust her. I hope I'm wrong.

 

If not, I believe she will be out in four years because, due to Bernie's efforts, a much larger portion of the electorate is now aware of the causes of the increasing income gap. That will leave the way open for one of the Berniecrats to run.

He brought a lot of important issues into the forefront. I hope they don't get pushed aside. Bernie has said that he's going to seek re-election for his Senate seat (which is up in 2 years). Plus he's going to be working on Our Revolution. I'm going to get involved with Our Revolution and pour my energy and spare change into it. :) The revolution HAS to continue.

 

People are fed up. If Hillary becomes president, she will be there for a trial run only.

Up in my neck of the woods, people are majorly ticked off. The wife of a buddy of mine works at the local town hall. I live in a town of 4,500 people. She said that they've had over 150 people unregister as Democrats in the last two days.
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Just gave $15.00 to Our Revolution.

 

 

There were a number of things that went on at the convention that were upsetting, to say the least. Three close friends of mine went to Philly as delegates, so I got three first-hand accounts. I won't rant on and on, but it all could (and should) have been handled so much better. Instead, many Bernie supporters were treated as party crashers....some even prevented from re-entering the convention center if they left for a protest or other event. One friend's seat was taken by someone who claimed they were "paid to be there and cheer."

My friend's Bernie sign was taken from him; he was given a "stronger together" sign to replace it. Lots of forced, faux unity going on for the sake of the cameras - and I'll leave it at that. :(

This is interesting, if you're inclined to share more about it.

 

I wonder whether it was DWS behind the shenanigans and if Hillary knew anything about it.

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They need to rewrite the nomination rules then. They need to state, straight up, that "the DNC is biased and if we favor someone else, we're going to sabotage your campaign."

 

Why did they LIE and say they were being impartial? Why didn't they just announce last November that Hillary was going to be the Democratic candidate?

 

Why did they waste everyone's time and money? Why the 7-month long dog and pony show?

 

What sabotage? Bernie Sanders got full access to Democratic party mailing lists and voter info. He was done great good, and no harm.

 

You can't expect people working inside a party not to have preferences and personal loyalties. The DNC did right by Bernie Sanders.

 

Bill

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What sabotage?

Fake news stories spammed repeatedly (at the direction of DNC executives), plots to use his religion (or lack thereof) against him, scheduling debates on evenings where nobody watched, agreements between the DNC and debate moderators picking specific questions to ask, the list goes on and on. And there are still more leaked emails to come, they say.

 

Bernie Sanders got full access to Democratic party mailing lists and voter info.

Only once he sued for that information in December of 2015, yes. Bernie's access to that information was originally blocked.

 

He was done great good, and no harm.

 

You can't expect people working inside a party not to have preferences and personal loyalties. The DNC did right by Bernie Sanders.

 

Bill

I expect the DNC (who is required to be 'fair and impartial' to ALL it's candidates) to treat Bernie fairly and equally. The leaked emails show clearly that didn't happen.

 

SpyCar, why didn't the DNC simply tell Bernie last November that the nominee had already been selected? Why the 7-month long 'dog and pony' show? Those emails prove Hillary was pre-selected. Why waste everyone's time and money? I'd sure like to have my $2700 back.

 

 

Just gave $15.00 to Our Revolution.

 

 

This is interesting, if you're inclined to share more about it.

 

I wonder whether it was DWS behind the shenanigans and if Hillary knew anything about it.

I'll add more tomorrow. One of my friends did a detailed blog on the entire convention and his experience. I'll ask him if I can relay some of the information he logged. I'm sure he won't mind, but I want to get his OK first. :) I felt frustrated just reading it.
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Fake news stories spammed repeatedly (at the direction of DNC executives), plots to use his religion (or lack thereof) against him, scheduling debates on evenings where nobody watched, agreements between the DNC and debate moderators picking specific questions to ask, the list goes on and on. And there are still more leaked emails to come, they say.

 

Only once he sued for that information in December of 2015, yes. Bernie's access to that information was originally blocked.

 

I expect the DNC (who is required to be 'fair and impartial' to ALL it's candidates) to treat Bernie fairly and equally. The leaked emails show clearly that didn't happen.

 

SpyCar, why didn't the DNC simply tell Bernie last November that the nominee had already been selected? Why the 7-month long 'dog and pony' show? Those emails prove Hillary was pre-selected. Why waste everyone's time and money? I'd sure like to have my $2700 back.

 

 

I'll add more tomorrow. One of my friends did a detailed blog on the entire convention and his experience. I'll ask him if I can relay some of the information he logged. I'm sure he won't mind, but I want to get his OK first. :) I felt frustrated just reading it.

 

Malarkey. Bernie's campaign was temporarily blocked after members of his staff got into Clinton campaign information and stole information. A bad act.

 

Then the campaign was restored.

 

Should we be "outraged" that the Bernie campaign had bad actors?

 

Should we keep fighting the primaries?

 

Should we get distracted and war on each other?

 

Or should we keep our eyes on the prize?

 

No cause for outrages folks.

 

Hillary won. Get over it. Bernie did.

 

Bill

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Malarkey. Bernie's campaign was temporarily blocked after members of his staff got into Clinton campaign information and stole information. A bad act.

 

Then the campaign was restored.

 

Should we be "outraged" that the Bernie campaign had bad actors?

 

Should we keep fighting the primaries?

 

Should we get distracted and war on each other?

 

Or should we keep our eyes on the prize?

 

No cause for outrages folks.

 

Hillary won. Get over it. Bernie did.

 

Bill

 

Unnecessarily harsh wording, as if deliberately trying to alienate Bernie supporters .... In a situation where a winner wants to enlist the backing of a defeated opponent, a browbeating lecture is not the way to do it.

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Unnecessarily harsh wording, as if deliberately trying to alienate Bernie supporters .... In a situation where a winner wants to enlist the backing of a defeated opponent, a browbeating lecture is not the way to do it.

Not at all. It was a hard fought campaign. BOTH SIDES have some grievances that COULD BE our focus, but that wouldn't be the smart way forward.

 

It is time to beat Trump, not to extend the primaries by rehashing minor grievances.

 

Bill

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Wnen a winner wants to avoid resentment in a defeated opponent he/she should use soothing language. Being gracious, in victory, is the way to enlist support; instead of trying to rub salt into the wounds. When your former opponent explains grievances, shooting back with words like "Malarkey" and "Get over it" .... Telling the opponent there were "bad actors" on his team. That is not the way to enlist support. You won. It's unnecessary now.

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I'm not outraged because honestly... the DNC's 'sabotage' was barely sabotage. I can't recall any attacks on Bernie being an atheist. Debate questions may have favored Hillary, but... Bernie could have easily overcome that, and kind of needed to if he was to become the candidate. Honestly I don't think it ultimately prevented Bernie Sanders from winning. And most importantly it didn't stop him from having a voice in Hillary's platform. Hillary Clinton listening to him is probably the most important thing to come of this election. Yeah, maybe she won't keep her promises. But I'm willing to bet Bernie will do his best to make sure she does.

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Wnen a winner wants to avoid resentment in a defeated opponent he/she should use soothing language. Being gracious, in victory, is the way to enlist support; instead of trying to rub salt into the wounds. When your former opponent explains grievances, shooting back with words like "Malarkey" and "Get over it" .... Telling the opponent there were "bad actors" on his team. That is not the way to enlist support. You won. It's unnecessary now.

I did not start his. I have been sincerely welcoming of Brnie Sanders and his supporters who choose to be part of the Democratic coalition, as I think it benefits them and the Democratic party.

 

Fighting the primaries over again is unwise. The facts remain that there were bad actors in the Snaders campaign. They stole data, and that is why the Sanders campaign (briefly) lost their privileges. It was not because of DNC collusion against his campaign. To suggest such is a falsification of what happened.

 

So we can focus on the small points of some staffers in campaigns or in the DNC not being angeles, or we can accept that politics isn't always pretty (and is just as true of the Sanders campaign as the DNC).

 

Divide and conquer is the tactic that classically beat the Left.

 

I think we'd be wise to move on. That's what the campaigns have done.

 

Bill

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I'm not outraged because honestly... the DNC's 'sabotage' was barely sabotage. I can't recall any attacks on Bernie being an atheist. Debate questions may have favored Hillary, but... Bernie could have easily overcome that, and kind of needed to if he was to become the candidate. Honestly I don't think it ultimately prevented Bernie Sanders from winning. And most importantly it didn't stop him from having a voice in Hillary's platform. Hillary Clinton listening to him is probably the most important thing to come of this election. Yeah, maybe she won't keep her promises. But I'm willing to bet Bernie will do his best to make sure she does.

 

Yeah. Two guys musing that Bernie Sanders might be vulnerable as an atheist in a private email exchange is not sabotage.

 

Bernie Sanders was given a huge stage to perform on as a result of running as a Democrat, in addition to receiving help with the vast resources of the party. He made the most of it. Inspired many. Change the conversation. Had a huge impact on the platform.

 

There simply is no grounds for "outrage." The class-act would be for supporter of the Bernie Sanders campaign to thank the Democratic party for all they did in helping Senator Sanders spread his message.

 

Bill

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Sen Sanders has endorsed Clinton about as enthusiastically as Clinton has adapted (co-opted?), Bernie's Progressive agenda. There are many Sanders supporters who find it difficult to support Clinton as the candidate, and probably many Hillary supporters who find it difficult to support Bernie's agenda regarding TPP, Election reform, etc.

The currency of politics should be ideas, proposals, plans, theories, and beliefs, NOT power or legal tender.
The thing about ideas, is that if you give them to others, or they are taken by others, you are no poorer.
It does, however, take a certain level of money, and power to even have these proposals heard by a significant portion of the population.

Candidates come and go, but movements could possibly last for generations. What Sen Sanders has accomplished was to propel the Progressive movement to new levels of awareness. I'm sure the Civil Rights movement circa 1960's felt outraged, and furious at times with the Democratic party's pace of change. Today, they are considered part of the Democratic alliance. The difference between a successful movement and one that is forgotten is perseverance, and dedication.

Who won the Primary? The easy answer is Hillary Clinton, but I would argue that Bernie has won many victories:

  • A general commitment to the idea of a $15-per-hour minimum wage,
  • A compromise commitment to some sort of “updated” Glass Steagall financial regulation and to breaking up too-big-to-fail institutions
  • A commitment to ending the era of mass incarcerations.
  • A multimillionaire surtax
  • Support for the principle that universal health care should be a right
  • A commitment to expanding Social Security benefits, long dismissed as a fringe proposal even among many Democrats until only recently.


The Sanders’ campaign and economic worldview have had a real impact on party doctrine and priorities.
The Platform would probably be worded very similar if Sen Sanders won the primary. We shall see how meaningful the platform turns out to be.

  • We got, as the smartest person on TV says, "Wasserman Schultz's head on a platter". There is still work to be done to ensure the point is made to future DNC members.
  • The vast majority of superdelegates will be now required to cast votes at future conventions based on how their state voted, which will prevent them from standing, as Wasserman Schultz says, “against grassroots activists.”

If supporters of Sen Sanders agenda were to give up, quit, or walk away from the overall movement, it would be just as, (and probably more) devastating as Hillary walking away from her commitment to the platform.

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I'm pretty sure Bernie wasn't going to win but why wasn't he at least given fair treatment by the DNC.

 

At what point do we say this isn't fair or democratic?

 

I'm pretty mad about this.

Hillary was a foregone conclusion.

 

1. “Myself and other Democrats who were Clinton supporters, we have been saying this was serious. It truly violates what the DNC’s proper role should be,” said Edward G. Rendell, a former DNC chairman and former Pennsylvania governor.

“The DNC did something incredibly inappropriate here” and needed to acknowledge that, Rendell said.

 

2. The Democratic National Committee chairwoman resigned under fire Sunday, on the eve of a national convention meant to project competence and unity in contrast to the turbulence of the Republicans’ gathering last week.

 

3. Rybak called for DNC staff members who wrote emails aiming to discredit Sanders or any other candidate to be dismissed.

 

 

Now were you looking for tears from the audience?

 

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It is just politics... you have to take it as it comes

 

Bernie will be at the forefront of our politics in the years to come

 

He might even be more effective as an advocate than a leader.

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It is just politics... you have to take it as it comes

 

Bernie will be at the forefront of our politics in the years to come

 

He might even be more effective as an advocate than a leader.

Bernie is 74 years old. He's an energetic 74, but his age is a factor nonetheless. I'd be shocked if he ran in 2020. If he won, he'd be much older than Reagan was when he became the oldest president to take office. His one and only shot was torpedoed by corrupt politics perpetrated not by Bernie's opponent, but by the party itself.

 

It's not the loss that has me fired up, it's the blatant corruption and collusion. It's not something I'm going to "get over" in a few days. But I'm moving on and am going to be working with Bernie's "Our Revolution" in my area to take over politics from the bottom up.

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Yeah. Two guys musing that Bernie Sanders might be vulnerable as an atheist in a private email exchange is not sabotage.

They weren't "musing," Bill. They were discussing whether or not to use it to damage him in the media. Big difference.

 

Political parties aren't allowed to use information in an effort to damage their own candidates. They're required to be impartial when working for the party in that capacity. Why do you refuse to see/admit that?

 

Bernie Sanders was given a huge stage to perform on as a result of running as a Democrat, in addition to receiving help with the vast resources of the party. He made the most of it. Inspired many. Change the conversation. Had a huge impact on the platform.

 

There simply is no grounds for "outrage." The class-act would be for supporter of the Bernie Sanders campaign to thank the Democratic party for all they did in helping Senator Sanders spread his message.

 

Bill

I'm going to keep asking as you don't seem to want to answer:

 

Why didn't the DNC tell Bernie last November that Hillary was going to get the nomination and that he shouldn't bother running?

 

Why the 7-month long dog and pony show when the winner had already been decided?

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