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Two contradictory theories are often presented together as if they complement one another: 1 - Trickle Down Theory 2 - Bootstrap Theory (The only way to get ahead is to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps). Trickle-down has never worked by itself, anywhere. There are plenty of individual examples of Bootstrap Theory but they are only a tiny percent of any population.

 

Trickle Down doesn't work: Under-taxed Plutocrats tend to buy government to increase their own power, privilege and wealth, while disregarding everyone else. As their grip on government tightens, their wealth piles up, depleting prosperity in the general population. The only way to combat this is to tax the rich at a high enough rate to distribute wealth more evenly. Existing laws against tax evasion and the offshoring of fortunes must be enforced. The system that has been most successful at doing this is DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM.

 

The Bootstrap Theory doesn't work: The biggest part of any population will not advance itself. Here in the US, higher education is actively being discouraged by nurturing a system of expensive private universities which forces most students to go so heavily into debt, it takes them many years to recover. By contrast, forward-thinking Germany and other countries, have free higher education for anyone that can meet basic entry qualifications.

 

Countries that have a higher education level tend to encourage students, not discourage them. Most have higher tax rates than the US and use the money to subsidize education and for social safety nets. Due to plutocratic pressure on government in the US, what remains of the social safety net is under constant threat. Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are in peril.

 

Globalism and developing technologies are creating more wealth, but it is mostly going to the top 1% to 10%. It has now been demonstrated, post WWII, that Democratic Social countries, with active trade and thriving but fairly taxed and regulated capitalism can provide prosperity and a good education for most of their populations. The US tends to be a world trend-setter and there is a rapidly growing Democratic Socialist movement here. If Democratic Socialism takes hold in the US, in the next few election cycles, other countries are sure to follow suit.

 

In regard to the bootstrap theory:-- Using oneself as a success story, implying most people could do it also, is subjective and unrealistic. I don't hold myself up as an example because I know many others don't have the same abilities or proclivities. At the same time, I too have limitations, which everyone on this Earth has, whether, they admit it or not. I imagine it's easier for those at the very top to deny their own limitations.

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I have *two* college degrees. One is a BS in Zoology. Unfortunately, in 1992, the number of programs and jobs looking for that degree suddenly tanked. There were some nice positions open in zoos... if you knew the right people. But that was all right, because I also had a Bad in French, with education credentials. So I could teach high school French, right? Except that, when I graduated, schools were cutting language positions, and they (and places looking for translators) preferred native speakers of French. By the time I found a place that might want me, I no longer could afford to shell out the money to pay for the certificate needed for teaching in that state. Because they didn't give teaching certificates for more than one state.

 

So I worked as a daycare teacher for four years. Daycare teachers don't make a living wage. So I worked in customer service. That asked for a college degree. It wasn't bad.... but a huge number of those jobs were either cut altogether or shipped overseas. I lost one job through downsizing and one to outsourcing to Ireland. But I switched over to working in inside sales. Not really my thing, but it was a decent living. Lost one job there because of health issues that insurance I could have afforded to use would have prevented (not to mention proper understanding of FMLA), and I lost another inside sales job due to downsizing in 2009. Right now, I am living with my parents, working a minimum wage job at a bakery, and working on a network security certificate so I can make it on my own again.

 

I know plenty of other people like me, by the way.

 

So please, tell me again how all I need is education to make a living? Because the real world I know sure doesn't work that way.

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Left and right can't be measured against the old traditional definitions in the age of globalism and global communication and disruptive technology.

 

Rich people aren't only getting rich by exploiting people (although that happens too), the richest people are bringing new value into the works that benefits everyone.

 

Global trade treaties are necessary things if you want to equalize workers conditions world wide, which is how you improve workers conditions everywhere. Without that, things will suck everywhere. Protectionism is bad. In a connected world, you can't improve conditions for Americans without also improving conditions for Chinese, Sri Lankans, and Mexicans.

 

Protectionism is xenophobia, whether it's called for by Trump or by Sanders. Hillary should support the TPP.

 

Americans should take advantage of their privileged position compared to the rest of the world, and educate themselves to compete. Sanders' promise of free university education for the best students would be good if we had enough people willing to do the hard work of learning science, mathematics, computing, and engineering.

 

I know there aren't nearly enough. How do I know? I was recruited from Canada for exactly that reason, 19 years ago. Too many Americans look for the easy way to a good income. I got hired at the prevaling wage back then because not nearly enough qualified engineers could be hired.

 

Want a better future? Improve. Make your kids study like the Chinese and Japanese and Israelis.

 

If we all come up together, life will be better for everyone.

So how do "You" define left and right?

 

What are these new "values" the rich are making which benefits everyone, and how do I benefit from the rich getting richer while me and everyone else gets poorer and poorer?

 

When the global trade agreements mean that the corporations can dump their toxic waste in your back yard, how do you benefit from the diseases they cause? How can Americans compete with wages of 50 cents per hour? You can't even buy food on that wage. Why is it OK for some nation to manipulate their currency and the middle class has to pay the piper and have their wealth given to a few rich people. Why do you consider equality to be everyone in dire poverty, with the rich taking everything. That is the result of the so called trade agreements. Those agreements don't improve conditions for anyone except the very very rich.

 

Do you realize that the TPP states that if there is any disagreement between a municipality and a corporation, it will be resolved by arbitration, not in court. The people who act as the arbitrators are the corporate lawyers on a rotating basis. That means any conflict between a corporation and a municipality is settled by the corporations, without any recourse. Further, if the corporation claims any loss due to a law from a municipality, the corporation must be repaid from the government coffers. So if your town, state or federal government doesn't want a Vietnam company from selling poisonous food in your community, the company can demand arbitration and claim money in the amount it claims it lost by not being allowed to make this sale.

 

Claiming there are not enough Americans willing to study is absurd. I personally know a great many engineers who simply can't find good work. If you couldn't find thousands of engineers to work means to me you had no interest in filling those positions. I have talked with headhunters for engineering for the past decade, and they have way too many looking for work. The prevailing wage has not moved in decades. Benefits have fallen. Hours have increased. The number of engineers for a job has dramatically decreased (Yes the tools have made them more efficient, but the cuts are much deeper than that.)

 

I work with many Chinese. The education system there is not effective. It is based on memorizing facts, not learning to think. I have gone to China to implement programs and most of the engineers have difficulty thinking about anything different than what they have done in the past. Typically a company will come into the Chinese factory, show them how to make the widget, and they never make any changes because they don't know how. I do favor changes in our educational system, but eliminating thinking is not a good idea.

 

"If we all come up together, life will be better for everyone" OK, but we are not coming up together. The rich are getting richer to the detriment of everyone else. The world is poorer, the people sicker because the system has been changed to benefit only the rich.

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What's the difference between Republicans,Liberals, Libertarians, & Social Democrats?

Mostly, it's all about the Benjamins (or Salmon Chase's,........ the portrait on the $10,000 bill).....

 

Keep in mind the 1 Trillion (one million million) =

$1,000,000,000,000,000,000

and 1 Billion (one thousand million) =

$ 1,000,000,000

 

Here are the actual numbers....it helps to align the decimal points.

 

$1,600,000,000,000,000,000 - Amount spent on Iraq / Afghanistan War (years(2001-2015)
$1,480,000,000,000,000,000 - Tax Revenue from Individual Income (your Income taxes)
$1,220,000,000,000,000,000 - *Tax Revenue NOT collected due to Tax Breaks / Loopholes
$1,070,000,000,000,000,000 - Tax Revenue from Payroll Taxes (Social Security / Medicare)
$ 1,246,000,000,000 - FY 2015 Spending Entitlements (SS, Medicare)
$ 985,000,000,000 - FY2015 Spending Medicare

$ 700,000,000,000 - Cost of Bank Bailout (TARP)
$ 598,500,000,000 - FY2015 Spending Military
$ 291,300,000,000 - FY2015 Tax Revenue from other sources (tariffs,customs,etc)
$ 229,000,000,000 - FY2015 Spending Interest on US Debt
$ 76,000,000,000 - Bill Gates Net Worth
$ 74,000,000,000 - Amount spent on Iraq / Afghanistan War (year 2015 only)
$ 72,000,000,000 - FY2015 Spending Government
$ 65,320,000,000 - FY2015 Spending Veterans
$ 84,990,000,000 - FY2015 Spending Transportation
$ 44,850,000,000 - FY2015 Spending Energy & Environment
$ 29,810,000,000 - FY2015 Spending Science

$ 3,420,000,000 - FY2015 Tax Revenue from Corporate Income Taxes

 

$2,550,000,294,720,000,000 - Total Revenue FY2015
$3,800,000,000,000,000,000 - Total Spending FY2015 (deficit)
$3,770,000,294,720,000,000 - Total Revenue FY2015 after eliminating Tax Breaks

 

The above numbers are where we are today, and reflects many years of Republican control of Congress. Notice how little actual tax is paid by Corporations (approx 3.4 billion), compared to

us poor Individuals (approx 2.5 Trillion!), through income tax, and Payroll. The amount of tax breaks / loopholes given to corporations (hey they're people too), along with that little mistake in Iraq, cost the Treasury mind-blowing amounts of money.

 

Not sure what specific changes Trump, or Hillary are proposing, but we can guess what Bernie would do to the above numbers.

 

Sadly, this is not going to change whoever is elected President, because the budget Paul Ryan Territory, who has already proposed eliminating Corp Tax all together, (along with 'privatizing' Social Security).

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While some corporations pay low taxes, some get refunds, costing us further.

 

 

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/04/warren-ge-pays-no-taxes/

 

 

"According to the New York Times story, GE reported U.S. profits of $5.1 billion in 2010 (and $14.2 billion worldwide). “Its American tax bill?” asked the Times. “None. In fact, G.E. claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion.” The company accomplished this, the story said, due to “an aggressive strategy that mixes fierce lobbying for tax breaks and innovative accounting that enables it to concentrate its profits offshore.”

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First, my apologies for taking so long to answer. I'm on a business trip in Montreal, working 12 hour days bringing new stuff into the world. :) Not much free time, but at least I'm getting paid for every hour worked. (Straight time, not time and a half, unfortunately.) It's fun speaking French again, because I haven't done that in a long time.

 

 

So how do "You" define left and right?

 

??? "You" ??? I'm a thing in quotes? ;):):P

 

My left is social liberalism, i.e. don't incarcerate for minor pot possession, same sex marriage, abortion, etc are all ok. I support social programs: Welfare, unemployment insurance,social security, Medicare, and if we can get widespread agreement among something like 75% of the population, single payer insurance for all. (Canada-style, but improved.)

 

Economically, the most important thing for me is the advance of science and technology world wide. This is something that makes life better for everyone. Eventually there will be cures for almost all diseases and these will be expensive at first and then later they will become widespread and pretty cheap. Even now the benefits to ordinary people are enormous, compared to what life was when I was a child in the 1960s.

 

 


 

What are these new "values" the rich are making which benefits everyone, and how do I benefit from the rich getting richer while me and everyone else gets poorer and poorer?

 

 

You may have noticed that there has been an explosion in technology, communications, biology, etc and all of that benefits everyone. I don't begrudge the wealth of Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and any of the great people bringing new things into the world.

 

At one time not long ago, genetics was expensive and difficult. Now it's so cheap I got a DNA analysis of my happy doggie mutts a few years ago, so I know the major breeds that compose them.

 

 

 

When the global trade agreements mean that the corporations can dump their toxic waste in your back yard, how do you benefit from the diseases they cause? How can Americans compete with wages of 50 cents per hour? You can't even buy food on that wage. Why is it OK for some nation to manipulate their currency and the middle class has to pay the piper and have their wealth given to a few rich people. Why do you consider equality to be everyone in dire poverty, with the rich taking everything. That is the result of the so called trade agreements. Those agreements don't improve conditions for anyone except the very very rich.

 

The more globalized everything becomes, the less nations can differ. Consider how much life in China has improved, and will continue to improve. Not great yet, but much better than 50 years ago. Each developed nation should hold the others to a standard of well-being. We need more international treaties for that,

 

 

Do you realize that the TPP states that if there is any disagreement between a municipality and a corporation, it will be resolved by arbitration, not in court. The people who act as the arbitrators are the corporate lawyers on a rotating basis. That means any conflict between a corporation and a municipality is settled by the corporations, without any recourse. Further, if the corporation claims any loss due to a law from a municipality, the corporation must be repaid from the government coffers. So if your town, state or federal government doesn't want a Vietnam company from selling poisonous food in your community, the company can demand arbitration and claim money in the amount it claims it lost by not being allowed to make this sale.

 

Actuall I didn't realize that about the TPP. So it's not perfect; not surprising. That's something to improve, not something to kill it.

 

 

I work with many Chinese. The education system there is not effective. It is based on memorizing facts, not learning to think. I have gone to China to implement programs and most of the engineers have difficulty thinking about anything different than what they have done in the past. Typically a company will come into the Chinese factory, show them how to make the widget, and they never make any changes because they don't know how. I do favor changes in our educational system, but eliminating thinking is not a good idea.

"If we all come up together, life will be better for everyone" OK, but we are not coming up together. The rich are getting richer to the detriment of everyone else. The world is poorer, the people sicker because the system has been changed to benefit only the rich.

 

 

The Chinese educational system sucks, but the hunger and ambition of the people is unmatched, The lack of US interest in science has been there for many years, Consider how many scientists the US got around the time of WWII and thereafter.

 

One major barrier to American interest in science is religion and general anti-intellectualism. I'd say 65% of the country suffers from that,

 

 

Claiming there are not enough Americans willing to study is absurd. I personally know a great many engineers who simply can't find good work. If you couldn't find thousands of engineers to work means to me you had no interest in filling those positions. I have talked with headhunters for engineering for the past decade, and they have way too many looking for work. The prevailing wage has not moved in decades. Benefits have fallen. Hours have increased. The number of engineers for a job has dramatically decreased (Yes the tools have made them more efficient, but the cuts are much deeper than that.)

 

 

Yet many new jobs have opened up that never existed before. They need new skills. When I came to the states I came at the prevailing wage. They hired about 30 at the same time, There weren't experienced people to fill those positions in the United States, willing to move. (And the move was completely paid, including real estate fees for selling my house in Canada,)

 

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First, my apologies for taking so long to answer. I'm on a business trip in Montreal, working 12 hour days bringing new stuff into the world. :) Not much free time, but at least I'm getting paid for every hour worked. (Straight time, not time and a half, unfortunately.) It's fun speaking French again, because I haven't done that in a long time.

 

No problem, I was on a business trip to San Francisco, also 12 hour days, but no pay yet (trying to get my business off the ground).

 

 

 

 

 

??? "You" ??? I'm a thing in quotes? ;):):P

 

That was designed to be the singular you, versus the plural you. I wanted your definition, not someone else's.

 

My left is social liberalism, i.e. don't incarcerate for minor pot possession, same sex marriage, abortion, etc are all ok. I support social programs: Welfare, unemployment insurance,social security, Medicare, and if we can get widespread agreement among something like 75% of the population, single payer insurance for all. (Canada-style, but improved.)

 

We agree on the issues here.

 

Economically, the most important thing for me is the advance of science and technology world wide. This is something that makes life better for everyone. Eventually there will be cures for almost all diseases and these will be expensive at first and then later they will become widespread and pretty cheap. Even now the benefits to ordinary people are enormous, compared to what life was when I was a child in the 1960s.

 

I also favor the advance of science and technology world wide, and I am actively working to do my part to make this happen.

 

 

You may have noticed that there has been an explosion in technology, communications, biology, etc and all of that benefits everyone. I don't begrudge the wealth of Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and any of the great people bringing new things into the world.

 

There are many advances, and many more to come. I have a hard time seeing how Bill Gates brought anything into the world. His history is more of stealing products from others rather than bringing them forward. His grab at wealth slows the innovation. For a long time, many people would not work on public applications for software because it was widely known that no matter how good your program is, Microsoft will incorporate it into their operating system and you won't be able to recover your investment. Thus investments were not forthcoming. That situation has changed in more recent years.

 

I am trying to start a company bringing forth some good technology. I have talked with numerous Venture Capital firms. I have talked with numerous large corporations in the general field. I have talked with many angel investors. The general consensus is that investments in hardware are not made at the seed level. One VC said outright that if you need a few million to make the prototype and get the orders, you will not get any investment. However, if you have orders for product, hundreds of millions are available.

 

I have been to the local university's commercialization center. They have many products coming from all the research being done which needs a bit of investment to get going. They are struggling to find any funding at all. There are many great innovative products simply withering away because of a lack of funding.

 

At one time not long ago, genetics was expensive and difficult. Now it's so cheap I got a DNA analysis of my happy doggie mutts a few years ago, so I know the major breeds that compose them.

 

 

 

The more globalized everything becomes, the less nations can differ. Consider how much life in China has improved, and will continue to improve. Not great yet, but much better than 50 years ago. Each developed nation should hold the others to a standard of well-being. We need more international treaties for that,
Science and technology have the potential to dramatically raise the standard of living for people worldwide, but only if the improvements are spread to everyone. The current system funnels the increase to a smaller and smaller number of people. For example, there is plenty of food in the world, yet many go hungry, some starve to death. It is not because of a lack of food, simply the political will necessary is not there. With the technology coming, unless we change the system the benefits will not be allowed to the majority of people worldwide.

 

 

Actuall I didn't realize that about the TPP. So it's not perfect; not surprising. That's something to improve, not something to kill it.

 

The previous trade bills were detrimental to the wages in more wealthy nations, and did not help the poor nations. NAFTA did not help Mexico, and damaged the US. I can appreciate that we want a better life for all people regardless of nationality, but these deals do not help anyone except the rich who write the deals for themselves.

 

 

 

 

The Chinese educational system sucks, but the hunger and ambition of the people is unmatched, The lack of US interest in science has been there for many years, Consider how many scientists the US got around the time of WWII and thereafter.

 

One major barrier to American interest in science is religion and general anti-intellectualism. I'd say 65% of the country suffers from that,

 

Yes, as well as artificial barriers such has very high costs to obtain education, the constant drumbeat of propaganda denigrating education, the extreme under funding of public educational institutions.

 

 

 

Yet many new jobs have opened up that never existed before. They need new skills. When I came to the states I came at the prevailing wage. They hired about 30 at the same time, There weren't experienced people to fill those positions in the United States, willing to move. (And the move was completely paid, including real estate fees for selling my house in Canada,)

 

I remember my son taking classes to get a job in IT. He received training in windows 2000. It was completed in 2000, and many of the jobs required at least 5 years experience on windows 2000. Of course it is impossible to have that experience. I have been reading job applications written specifically for foreigners for decades. There is no real job, just an excuse to hire foreigners at less than the prevailing wage. It is an attempt to lower all wages. And they have been very successful in that wages have not really gone up in decades. Almost no one pays moving fees any more.

 

I am looking for more liberal economic policies. It is not sufficient for me to simply eliminate the middle class. We should be working to eliminate the poor instead. Education should be free, as it benefits everyone. Health care should be free. These things more than pay for themselves in the long term. The only reason to not allow them is to funnel the wealth to the rich for the short term. Unless there is economic opportunity for all, those science and technology advances will be reduced.

 

 

Now the question is how many of these issues do you think Hillary will push for?

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Good luck on your business venture, DonJoe.

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As long as cataclysmic disasters don't interfere, science and technology will continue to advance. Science and technology tend to advance much faster when government plays a major role in basic research. Private industry helps with scientific advances, but mostly in the short run, spurred by the profit motive and responsive mainly to quarterly results. Government has far more freedom to pursue long term goals or even open-ended research into promising areas.

 

The benefits of science and technology are available to the many by their ability to pay. The ideal situation is where the average person can easily afford the necessities and has extra money left over for savings or optional luxuries. This situation exists today, in countries with Democratic Socialism as the means of government.

 

Science and technology, combined with industry has given all people great benefits, including medical advances, electricity and motor vehicles. (These advances all have negative effects, not recognized at first, including pollution, climate change and more efficient WMDs).

 

Today, in the US, people's ability to pay for the benefits of science and technology is shrinking. It has been demonstrated many times that the natural tendency of the very most affluent is to seek control of government to expand their wealth further. The result is the suppression of the masses and the rise of Plutocracy. Strong government regulation and appropriate taxation are needed to remedy the situation.

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Good luck on your business venture, DonJoe.

Thank you bludog.

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I looked at the title of this thread just now and something came to mind. Remember when the Tea Party started? Before they were insanely hyperbolic, before they were redder than red, before they had been appropriated as a fringe far far right wing of the Republican party? I remember that some of their original ideas weren't bad, and that they seemed reasonably sane. Mind you, that was the beginning, and my wariness proved justified. I had been concerned that their ideology would coalesce around its more conservative members, and that it would become a tool of either the religious right or the corporate right. It was sad that the promise for a sensible voice to curb the problems of government was hijacked so efficiently to become the Tea Party we all know and love today. And once that happened, wow, what an impact it made.

 

The Left needs a movement that would be in many ways like the Tea Party. It needs to organize us, it needs to inspire us to vote vote vote, it needs to promote Leftist (not right-centrist to centrist pretending to be left!) ideas, ideals, and platforms. It needs to avoid the batshit crazy that the Tea Party gave us in spades and instead speak with a passionate and yet compassionate, well-reasoned voice. It needs to take back the meaning of Liberal, of Green, of Socialist, and restore their definitions, shake the rust and the tarnish from them, and remind people that leftists aren't the enemy. I see this in the Berniecrats; I see this.

 

We're (for the most part, the vast majority, but there are whackjobs everywhere) not all acting like the current Tea Party. We may not support Clinton and we may not even vote for her. But that isn't a reflection on those who support Clinton, nor those who do not really support her but who will vote for her anyway. We just happen to disagree on the best method to get things done.

 

We need a movement to help us organize, something that will pull together Greens and Democratic Socialists and the Leftiest of Democrats and those who currently aren't sure what party to belong to. We don't need to renounce our current party (or parties), but we need to unify. We need to create a public voice. We need to take the Bernie movement, the Bernie or Bust movement, and the Berniecrats movement and help unify them with the voices of the other parties and the causes of groups like the LGBT movement, the feminist movement, the Black Lives Matter movement, the immigration reform movement, the environmental movement...... And then we can shape a public voice, one that the media ignores at its peril, one that knows social media better than the others, one that cannot just be shouted down or mocked away or ignored. We're at a beginning here. Let's take what was good about the Tea Party and use it! Let's take the lessons we learned from about the Occupy movement and use them. Let's take lessons learned from the war protests and use them. Let's take the lessons from Black Lives Matter, from Operation Pink, from the Equality movements and use them.

 

Yes, our platform is broad. All the more reason to have a group to help clarify our message. What is it? A message of responsible stewardship, a message of equality, a message of compassion. Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, expressed in equality for ALL, justice for ALL. Let's grow a movement so that we can shout from the rooftops and people will hear.

 

Some Sanders supporters are acting like the left-wing Tea Party?

 

Good. Keep it up, comrades! ;)

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In my memory the Tea Party movement was bat-[insert explicative here] crazy from Day One.

 

Bill

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Actually, in the beginning, there were several issues that triggered the Tea Party, including obesity taxes in New York and the bank bailouts by Bush along with Obamacare and mortgage bailouts and generally bad deficit spending. I remember people who were not far right who went to the earliest rallies hoping to protest government excess but keep a more centrist approach. That fizzled really, really quickly. I agree there. The Tea Party became batshit crazy really, really fast, but for a brief moment, it could have been different. Mind you, I did not join because I did not agree with their positions, but in the beginning, especially when there was a chance for Libertarians, I thought it might be a good thing to have, another direct voice. So I watched with hopeful skepticism. Yeah, the hope died REALLY fast but still....

 

Of course, on the other side of the coin, the Occupy Wall Street movement was another hope dashed. Though it had some great ideas and initial energy, part of its problem was the insistence (at least in Chicago) of not actually having organizing leaders to help direct things and coordinate with other groups. I remember friends and I going down to protests scheduled only to find a handful of people wandering around aimlessly with a couple of signs and one or two clues between them. I've been in a good number of protests before, both planned and fairly spontaneous. In both contexts, not going in with a leader or leading group or designated representatives usually leads to the swift dissolution of the protests, increased chances for violence, loss of the message, etc.

 

So we need the organizational machine of the Tea Party with the heart and soul of the best liberal movements of past and present.

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I live near San Jose, it was pure stupidity what went down. Ignoramus Bullies who showed up at a protest - it was quite sad and disgusting. I support Bernie, but I wouldn't go protest a Trump rally, there is no reason for that. I don't hate Trump who has been described accurately as a misogynist, racist clown. I dislike him immensely, sure. He should be sewed big time for horrid and illegal business practices, yes indeed.

 

Here's what I want: we all know Bernie's chances at getting the nomination being next to zero, I want the people who support him to keep the movement going and show up to vote in order to remove as many Republican senators and representatives from office as possible in November.

 

What Bernie speaks of, regarding the environment, healthcare and education and rebuilding of a much better US infrastructure is way overdue in this country. We need to push Hillary on this big time - Obama would have made more change if people, especially young people, especially african americans, hispanics, and yes, white males had stood up in the mid-terms and pushed hard - but they did not.

 

By some estimates world wide anywhere from 21 trillion, to 7 trillion, is hidden in shady tax havens by rich people who don't pay a dime in taxes - that is criminal and needs to change. I don't want people in the streets creating hate crimes while pretending to support human rights - and yeah, that sounds like an oxymoron which it is.

 

 

Show up to vote not just for the president every four years, vote every darn election for change. No president can make change without that.

 

We wasted the Obama presidency big time in my opinion. The ACA has some great provisions to it, but it turns out that the insurance company's are finding newer and even more disgusting ways to rob people because half the country

is letting this shit go down by their own ignorance.

 

So what's it like to grow up say in China today where the pollution in the air is so thick young people are starting to drop from all sorts of illness. The world has got to wake up and change soon from to this colossal destruction of clean air and water, this waste of resource, this greed.

 

Peace!

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