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He's done very little as Senator, because you can't be both ideologically pure and successful in Congress. The structure of Congress is such that compromise is necessary or nothing gets done. That's why the tea party representatives could do nothing.

 

He's promised free university, a good and valid goal. How will he accomplish that with Congress as is? Answer is: he won't. It's an empty promise. On the other hand, promising free university to naive university students is a great way to capture the youth vote. So that's a politician being a politician.

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He's done very little as Senator, because you can't be both ideologically pure and successful in Congress. The structure of Congress is such that compromise is necessary or nothing gets done. That's why the tea party representatives could do nothing.

He's actually done a lot of great things as a Senator. Because he's been way up in Vermont, the mainstream media doesn't talk about him much. However check out this article:

 

Not only has Sanders gotten a lot more things done than Clinton did in her own short legislative career, he's actually one of the most effective members of Congress, passing bills, both big and small, that have reshaped American policy on key issues like poverty, the environment and health care.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

 

 

 

He's promised free university, a good and valid goal. How will he accomplish that with Congress as is? Answer is: he won't. It's an empty promise. On the other hand, promising free university to naive university students is a great way to capture the youth vote. So that's a politician being a politician.

Obviously, the makeup of Congress needs to change. However free college tuition could be possible by the mid-terms. Sanders is sincere in that he will fight every way he knows how to accomplish this. That's all I can really ask....that he would fight to do what he's promised. He can't help it if the congress obstructs him.

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Don't speak for me. I'm voting for Hillary. She is infinitely better than Trump who would probably be a worse president than Ted Nugent.

 

All Hillary can do is outsource more good paying union jobs. I am old enough to remember when the stuff in Walmart actually was made in the US. (You know before Mr Clinton.) Over 10 years later, and the wage rate is still the same for workers as it was when NAFTA and GATT were passed. Now the wages in China are starting to go up, so they want to look for another batch of workers to exploit rather than share profits with workers. So it's time for Clinton II, and TPP. TPP is all about cheap child labor from East Asia. Look at the billionaires who fund her campaign. That's who's going to control the government when she's elected. Not the people.

 

Moreover, she is dangerous. She has seriously destabilized the middle east, and Africa during her short term as secretary of state. I'd much rather side with Bernie, and spend money on giving free, or lower cost tuition for Americans, than go with Hillary and see more pictures of terrorists driving around the Middle East in US made Humvees. Now, we're all pulling for Bernie, but if forced via super-delegate billionaire B.S. I am prepared to go nuclear, and pull the lever for Trump. Only then will the Democratic party will get the message, embrace democracy, and ditch the super-delegates.

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I know many who feel like you do, FireChicken. It's maddening to watch politicians like Clinton continue to pave the financial way for big corporations via lousy trade policies and tax breaks.....while average Americans struggle to pay their bills and put food on the table. It's unfair and needs to be stopped.

 

Please know there are literally hundreds of Berniecrats running for state-level offices around the country. Even if Bernie loses the nomination, his movement will march on using his ideals as a platform for other candidates. Establishment politics have officially been put on notice. :)

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All Hillary can do is outsource more good paying union jobs. I am old enough to remember when the stuff in Walmart actually was made in the US. (You know before Mr Clinton.) Over 10 years later, and the wage rate is still the same for workers as it was when NAFTA and GATT were passed. Now the wages in China are starting to go up, so they want to look for another batch of workers to exploit rather than share profits with workers. So it's time for Clinton II, and TPP. TPP is all about cheap child labor from East Asia. Look at the billionaires who fund her campaign. That's who's going to control the government when she's elected. Not the people.

 

Moreover, she is dangerous. She has seriously destabilized the middle east, and Africa during her short term as secretary of state. I'd much rather side with Bernie, and spend money on giving free, or lower cost tuition for Americans, than go with Hillary and see more pictures of terrorists driving around the Middle East in US made Humvees. Now, we're all pulling for Bernie, but if forced via super-delegate billionaire B.S. I am prepared to go nuclear, and pull the lever for Trump. Only then will the Democratic party will get the message, embrace democracy, and ditch the super-delegates.

 

 

Here is an expanded statement of my position:

The biggest economic and social problem of our time is by far, the growing income gap. The Millenials are the first generation to be born into diminishing chances for a prosperous future. Bernie's highest priority is to begin bringing back a high standard of living for ordinary people and bringing back the middle class. That's why Millenials are the largest group of Bernie's followers.

 

Violence is almost always wrong and ideally there shouldn't be any. But if the income gap is not addressed soon, violence up to the point of insurrection and rebellion will surely ensue and not just among the politically active. It is imperative to start fixing our broken political system because as of now, nothing is being done.

 

I will vote for Hillary as a stopgap measure to prevent fascism for the next four years. I would be pleasantly surprised if she tackled the inequality predicament, but I don't expect it. Democratic Socialism is growing and will stay alive until there are candidates willing to work on the most pressing problem of our times.

 

I would NEVER vote for Trump because a Trump presidency could easily result in dictatorship or something close to it. His true agenda is ego-maniacal and his true loyalty is to the super rich, influential and powerful. His true nature is quarrelsome and vengeful. A Trump presidency could easily tear the Nation asunder domestically and get us involved in unnecessary all-out war. A Hillary presidency would probably continue low-grade international bullying to satisfy the Military-Industrial-Complex.

 

If Hillary prevails, I will hold my nose, vote for her, and wait out the darkness. Yes, she is everything you say she is but the Nation might survive, intact, for 4 years. With Trump, there is far less chance. As of now a new generation is coming of age and among them are people, many of them Bernie supporters, who will run for office, willing to take on the Plutocracy and restore the middle class.

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It seems so wrong to say this, but I am fortunate in that it will not likely matter who I vote for in November; Illinois is pretty likely to go for Hillary, though I could be wrong.about that. Thing is, Trump is far more likely to be impeached than Hillary, because pretty much no one in Congress likes him. So I'm really torn which will be worse in the long run. But since my state is likely to vote Hillary, right now I can vote with a clear conscience for someone... else.

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Uh, because we had a primary and he has no path to victory. Hillary Clinton will be the nominee of the Democratic party. Even a scum-bag like Ted Cruz got out when he had no path. Bernie not better than Cruz?

 

You might think it's OK to lose to Trump, I don't.

 

Bill

 

Sorry, but Hillary is not an option for anyone who wants US union manufacturing jobs. NAFTA, GATT, are the cause for the auto exodus from the US. These abominations passed under her husband's watch. Rather than admit her husband's mistake, she threatens to double down with TPP.

 

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-ford-mexico-20160405-story.html

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2014/08/20/americas-car-capital-will-soon-be-mexico/#2a5dec5518ea

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Thanks for your post. I actually like Trump because I am 100% convinced that if he so much as picks his nose, it's going to get nationwide negative news coverage on every news network.

 

And this makes you like Trump? If this is sarcasm, it makes no point

 

I was concerned when you said you are a Libertarian, that you would not fit in the LO Rm. Now you confirmed it. Please confine your posting to No Holds Barred, one flight up.

 

 

The problem with Hillary (as I see it) is that there are no checks and balances with her at the helm. She could have people murdered, and most of America would never know. Moreover, if she gets elected there is a good chance that the abuse of the IRS will be expanded to eliminate any opposition to the Democratic party entirely. It seems much closer to a dictatorship when there is no real "freedom of the press" and we are left with one party rule.

 

Right Wing propaganda using a crystal ball as the source.

 

 

 

Sorry, but Hillary is not an option for anyone who wants US union manufacturing jobs. NAFTA, GATT, are the cause for the auto exodus from the US. These abominations passed under her husband's watch. Rather than admit her husband's mistake, she threatens to double down with TPP.

 

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-ford-mexico-20160405-story.html

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2014/08/20/americas-car-capital-will-soon-be-mexico/#2a5dec5518ea

 

Hillary has reversed herself on the TPP and to date, is against it. Only time will tell whether she slips back or not.

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FireChicken: As you can see, Your last post was hidden. If you want to debate, please do so in No Holds Barred, one flight up.

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Simply untrue.

 

This is no more valid than if I said that Sanders was secretly a child molester. Does democratic socialism allow you to absolve a person of child abuse?

 

Or, more accurately, are these two fallible people engaged in a difficult competition, who like all politicians, will say anything to get elected?

I asked a question. Rather than answer the question, you claim it is untrue. The question was what would Hillary do to restore the middle class? I don't know the answer to that question. If you know, then this is an opportunity to provide that information, not just declare some questions false. As to my statement that it was already tried and lost so there is no point in trying, that was a quote from Hillary herself. OK, it was a bit of a stretch because it was in reference to universal single payer and not more general to restore the middle class, but it tells me of her philosophy. If that is the method she uses to pick her battles, then it would generally apply, and it is not a philosophy I can support.

 

Yes both are fallible, and Clinton in particular has be attacked by the media for decades. I would prefer the discussion revolve more about the issues and how to accomplish the things we want rather than personal attacks either against the candidates or each other.

I wonder why you appear to take offense at the question.

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He's done very little as Senator, because you can't be both ideologically pure and successful in Congress. The structure of Congress is such that compromise is necessary or nothing gets done. That's why the tea party representatives could do nothing.

 

He's promised free university, a good and valid goal. How will he accomplish that with Congress as is? Answer is: he won't. It's an empty promise. On the other hand, promising free university to naive university students is a great way to capture the youth vote. So that's a politician being a politician.

I would much rather have the goal set, then try to stretch to get it, rather than just give up and say there is nothing we can do. Try, and get as close to it as you can.

 

It could happen with proper support, just like it happened recently in Germany. There became thousands of American students living in Germany just for the education they could not afford in the US.

 

It does imply that to accomplish this goal one needs many people in congress willing to support it. It has to be talked about before those who support it can even be found. Will it be achieved? Who knows, but we can be sure it will not occur if it is not to be mentioned, if it is said to be impossible.

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