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What kind of individual would belong to a union?

 

We'll answer our own question: a shameless, shiftless parasite. A piece of shit. A pathetic excuse for a human.

 

Know what we mean?

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Native, read Ronald Coase, "Theory of the Firm", 1937.

.... and update your make believe :D

 

Exactly. It's make believe, in the service plutocratic profits.

 

Make believe, yes.

 

In the service of plutocratic profits, no

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I wont talk about everything all at once.

 

I was talking only about...

 

If we were following the founders blueprints we all would be prospering
Corporate power wouldn't exist
Unions wouldn't exist
People would be raking in the dough
Thats what i hope to see

 

and my recommendation was.....

 

read Ronald Coase, "Theory of the Firm", 1937.

 

which you clearly haven't.

 

Do yourself a favor and read it.

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NY Rail Road Conductor, 140k yr , 2/3rds retirement.

LI NYS Trooper, 210k yr, 2/3rds retirement.

NY Iron worker, 140k yr, 1/2 retirement.

NY State Teacher, 90-120yr 1/2 retirement.

Construction Worker 90k yr.

Union Diesel Tech 100k yr.

Hotel Worker 60k yr, for making beds.

All these union jobs provide excellent benefits, lots of time off like 8 to 10 weeks vacation. Unlimited sick time.

All this and NYs economy is doing excellent.

Now tell me again how unions are no good?

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Make believe, yes.

 

In the service of plutocratic profits, no

 

Plutocrats pay lower wages and provide fewer benefits without unions. How can it be rationalized to conclude plutocrats don't profit from the make believe notion that they will provide the same as the unions will?

NY Rail Road Conductor, 140k yr , 2/3rds retirement.

LI NYS Trooper, 210k yr, 2/3rds retirement.

NY Iron worker, 140k yr, 1/2 retirement.

NY State Teacher, 90-120yr 1/2 retirement.

Construction Worker 90k yr.

Union Diesel Tech 100k yr.

Hotel Worker 60k yr, for making beds.

All these union jobs provide excellent benefits, lots of time off like 8 to 10 weeks vacation. Unlimited sick time.

All this and NYs economy is doing excellent.

Now tell me again how unions are no good?

 

The evidence cannot be refuted. This is why we must have unions and why most plutocrats hate them.

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Hmmm... I am a HUGE pro-union gal, but I have to say I agree with what I think you are trying to say. I also really like where this original question leads my thought process!

 

Here is what I got from the original post.... (forgive me if I am reading something completely different than what you meant LOL!)

 

What do unions provide for its members that non-union workers find themselves denied more and more nowadays? The main things that I can think of that unions achieve in their contracts are job protection, GOOD benefits at reasonable cost sharing with employer holding the burden (really good unions even get these benefits free, although increasingly rare these days), a living wage (including guaranteed cost of living raises annually), paid time off, short/long term disability, and solid retirement plans (pensions etc...) In contrast, non-union workers are seeing just the opposite.. falling wages/hours and higher insurance premiums with higher deductibles and less coverage.

 

This being said, if our economic system was set up in such a way where businesses were forced by law to provide the entire labor force a fair wage and other protections as a cost of doing business, the need for unions would disappear. And along with the unions disappearing, so would union corruption. Of course a new kind of corruption would arise, but at least those who worked would be able to live a decent life. Instead of paying union dues, I guess there would be higher taxes, but either way you are paying right?

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NY Rail Road Conductor, 140k yr , 2/3rds retirement.

LI NYS Trooper, 210k yr, 2/3rds retirement.

NY Iron worker, 140k yr, 1/2 retirement.

NY State Teacher, 90-120yr 1/2 retirement.

Construction Worker 90k yr.

Union Diesel Tech 100k yr.

Hotel Worker 60k yr, for making beds.

All these union jobs provide excellent benefits, lots of time off like 8 to 10 weeks vacation. Unlimited sick time.

All this and NYs economy is doing excellent.

Now tell me again how unions are no good?

You can't throw out stats like that with no context. What does a 3 bedroom, 1.5 bath 1500 sq ft house cost in those cities? What does a gallon of gas or milk cost? You like to spout off about salaries in NY, but what about the cost of living and taxes?

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I wont talk about everything all at once.

 

I was talking only about...

 

 

and my recommendation was.....

 

 

which you clearly haven't.

 

Do yourself a favor and read it.

run run run

I didn't think you would have the courage to discuss

All you do is tell me about a book

You don't have an understanding of the issue

Typical

Plutonic profits?

Really bluedog

You show me how that happens under the policy i laid out

Im calling you out to actually show me

Bluedog with your long winded answers that do NOT even address any issue i raised

So bluedog you show me a better way then

I want to see your solution since you dont really want to address the root of the problem

Tell me bluedog

Ill be waiting for an actual solution and not some 3 paragraph long bs reply

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You wouldn't know BS if you swallowed it.

yea you better not engage me

You have no solutions

I bet you think that what i laid out is somehow right wing

Im just assuming since you came to the crazy conclusion that my policy would pad the pockets of the elite

You run your mouth but have absolutely nothing to back it up

Ever

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yea you better not engage me

 

No worries. I wasted enough time on you.

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I understand the purpose for unions

I see the need for unions

I have no issue pointing out corruption in unions either

Im not biased

I just want people to prosper

But people need to understand that unions are a symptom of a broken system

We wouldn't have corrupt globalist unions if we were running properly because we wouldn't need unions period

There would be no unions if we had real corporate law and real trade policy

I want to see the day when we dont even need unions

If we were following the founders blueprints we all would be prospering

Corporate power wouldn't exist

Unions wouldn't exist

People would be raking in the dough

Thats what i hope to see

 

​I'm tempted to say it would be nice. But I don't think so. If you are going to have free enterprise and growing businesses employing lots of people then unions are inevitable and desirable. Now if we all lived under a socialist workers democracy then unions might not be needed. But I'm not for socialism. I am interested in what you mean by " the founders blueprint for prosperity ? " Its important to remember that they lived in a rural agrarian economy that included merchants, traders, and craftsmen mainly.

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​I'm tempted to say it would be nice. But I don't think so. If you are going to have free enterprise and growing businesses employing lots of people then unions are inevitable and desirable. Now if we all lived under a socialist workers democracy then unions might not be needed. But I'm not for socialism. I am interested in what you mean by " the founders blueprint for prosperity ? " Its important to remember that they lived in a rural agrarian economy that included merchants, traders, and craftsmen mainly.

check this out player

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate-accountability-history-corporations-us/

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run run run

I didn't think you would have the courage to discuss

All you do is tell me about a book

You don't have an understanding of the issue

Typical

Plutonic profits?

Really bluedog

You show me how that happens under the policy i laid out

Im calling you out to actually show me

Bluedog with your long winded answers that do NOT even address any issue i raised

So bluedog you show me a better way then

I want to see your solution since you dont really want to address the root of the problem

Tell me bluedog

Ill be waiting for an actual solution and not some 3 paragraph long bs reply

 

Heh heh. This is the guy always screaming all he wants is to debate. But when he loses big time, in debate, he throws a hissy fit and cries foul. Does not counter anyone's argument. Instead, keeps insisting on his original argument without any deviation. Gets mad if contradicted in any way. Not an ounce of integrity.

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What kind of individual would belong to a union?

 

We'll answer our own question: a shameless, shiftless parasite. A piece of shit. A pathetic excuse for a human.

 

Know what we mean?

Hmm, a person that didn't want to work next to sucking cock scums like you. Yep, we know, now lick that cumm off mah shoes so I can be on my way.

 

NEXT!!!!!!!!!

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Hmmm... I am a HUGE pro-union gal, but I have to say I agree with what I think you are trying to say. I also really like where this original question leads my thought process!

 

Here is what I got from the original post.... (forgive me if I am reading something completely different than what you meant LOL!)

 

What do unions provide for its members that non-union workers find themselves denied more and more nowadays? The main things that I can think of that unions achieve in their contracts are job protection, GOOD benefits at reasonable cost sharing with employer holding the burden (really good unions even get these benefits free, although increasingly rare these days), a living wage (including guaranteed cost of living raises annually), paid time off, short/long term disability, and solid retirement plans (pensions etc...) In contrast, non-union workers are seeing just the opposite.. falling wages/hours and higher insurance premiums with higher deductibles and less coverage.

 

This being said, if our economic system was set up in such a way where businesses were forced by law to provide the entire labor force a fair wage and other protections as a cost of doing business, the need for unions would disappear. And along with the unions disappearing, so would union corruption. Of course a new kind of corruption would arise, but at least those who worked would be able to live a decent life. Instead of paying union dues, I guess there would be higher taxes, but either way you are paying right?

I'm pro-union, retired at the age of 45 by working hard 24/7. I don't mind if people are willing to work for shitty wages, no benefits, no job protections, and die at an early age for their choices. I assume they are happy. I am.

 

I do wish they would take jobs that I don't have to pay their crummy make-up wages to some corporation for them. Maybe if they had any balls they would walk off their jobs and demand a better life in America.

 

For me, Unions meant high wages & life-long benefits, safe work places, working with skilled labor around me, best tools, full-time employment thanks to dispatchers, etc. It didn't come without a fight, strikes, and bashing a few heads in the process, and we always had good negotiators for everything. Life is good now.

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Unions wouldn't be necessary if labor had more influence in Washington. A Liberal majority in the Supreme Court will be a big step. What is really needed is 8 years with a Democratic Super Majority in congress with a Democrat in the White House. Until that happens Unions are a must unless you want this country to be a full fledged Oligarchy.

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Heh heh. This is the guy always screaming all he wants is to debate. But when he loses big time, in debate, he throws a hissy fit and cries foul. Does not counter anyone's argument. Instead, keeps insisting on his original argument without any deviation. Gets mad if contradicted in any way. Not an ounce of integrity.

still waiting

Mr no solution

Cmon man

You know sooooooo much

Show me a better way

Bet you still wont address the issue

You never do

Talking points wont work this time

Cmon bluedog

Im calling you out

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Unions wouldn't be necessary if labor had more influence in Washington. A Liberal majority in the Supreme Court will be a big step. What is really needed is 8 years with a Democratic Super Majority in congress with a Democrat in the White House. Until that happens Unions are a must unless you want this country to be a full fledged Oligarchy.

check it out

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate-accountability-history-corporations-us/

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Unions wouldn't be necessary if

 

There is no if. At the present time and probably far into the future, organized labor is the way to lift people out of poverty.

 

 

labor had more influence in Washington. A Liberal majority in the Supreme Court will be a big step. What is really needed is 8 years with a Democratic Super Majority in congress with a Democrat in the White House.

 

These things would help in the restoration of a healthy middle class. The way they would help would be by encouraging the proliferation of labor unions.

 

 

Until that happens Unions are a must unless you want this country to be a full fledged Oligarchy.

 

I agree, unions are a must. Under the advancing tyranny of the Oligarchy, they are now an endangered species. Labor unionism is the only way to put extra money into ordinary people's pockets, enable them to buy the essentials and then spend on optional items. With that arrangement, he whole economy benefits because demand stimulates increased production.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/03/19/the-decline-of-unions-is-a-middle-class-problem/#3950498f18be

The Decline Of Unions Is A Middle Class Problem

March, 2015

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I understand the purpose for unions

I see the need for unions

I have no issue pointing out corruption in unions either

Im not biased

I just want people to prosper

But people need to understand that unions are a symptom of a broken system

We wouldn't have corrupt globalist unions if we were running properly because we wouldn't need unions period

There would be no unions if we had real corporate law and real trade policy

I want to see the day when we dont even need unions

If we were following the founders blueprints we all would be prospering

Corporate power wouldn't exist

Unions wouldn't exist

People would be raking in the dough

Thats what i hope to see

 

You left out the greed.

Unions are necessary,

Even corporations have union; US Chamber of commerce, Big oil has their unions, Big Pharma also, Farmers Unions, etc.

 

If there were not worker unions we would go back to the days of child labor workers,

Robber barons, work 6.5 - 7 days a week, owe your soul to the company store.

To even think that workers unions are more powerful than corporate unions is wishful thinking.

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Know what we mean?

 

WE? Who is this "we"? You and God, like the Queen of England?

 

Or do you have a frog in your pocket?

 

Yes, we know what you mean.

 

You are an ignorant bigoted hick, and perhaps so is the frog in your pocket.

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You left out the greed.

Unions are necessary,

Even corporations have union; US Chamber of commerce, Big oil has their unions, Big Pharma also, Farmers Unions, etc.

 

If there were not worker unions we would go back to the days of child labor workers,

Robber barons, work 6.5 - 7 days a week, owe your soul to the company store.

To even think that workers unions are more powerful than corporate unions is wishful thinking.

read this then see if you feel that way

It can be done

 

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate-accountability-history-corporations-us/

This is a great article! Thanks for posting.

you are welcome ?see, thats all we gotta do.

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