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Jewish Neocons and the Nationalist Armegeddon

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.....Sleeper says this is an insecurity born of European exclusion that he understands as a Jew, even if he’s not a warmongering neocon himself. The Yale lecturer’s jumping-off point are recent statements by Leon Wieseltier and David Brooks lamenting the decline of American power.

In addition to Wieseltier and Brooks, the “blame the feckless liberals” chorus has included Donald Kagan, Robert Kagan, David Frum, William Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and many other American neoconservatives. Some of them have been chastened, or at least been made more cautious, by their grand-strategic blunders of a few years ago…..

 

I’m saying that they’ve been fatuous as warmongers again and again and that there’s something pathetic in their attempts to emulate Winston Churchill, who warned darkly of Hitler’s intentions in the 1930s. Their blind spot is their willful ignorance of their own complicity in American deterioration and their over-compensatory, almost pre-adolescent faith in the benevolence of a statist and militarist power they still hope to mobilize against the seductions and terrors rising all around them.

 

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/05/neocons-nationalist-armageddon

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Americans just need to be the followers of the Jews. We need Americans to stay dumb and to follow the War-Jews in their quest to make the USA the greatest land ever and to dominate the world. To hell with freedom and democracy, we need a great land for the war jew immigrant to play in. NOrmal americans just neexd to be dfumb and syhut up and follow the war jews in the conservative and liberal parties. Buy a gun and help the war-jews fight!

 

Any peaceful american who doesnt own a gun and believes in neutrality is a enemy of the global dominance of the Jewish Dream for a war-american military jewland. Jews hate a peaceful world. That's why America has to be great, so that there is no peace and the Jews will rest contented and every man will own a gun and fight for them. With WarJew New York as the world capital.

 

The warjews want everyone to buy a gun and be a libertarian or a neocon. But I say I will not fight or buy a gun and make a war with the jews. The passive Gandhi non-violent approach is what I give to the warjews. Use nonviolence and peace against the violence of the warjews and their american yankee agenda.

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The top ranked advocates of the Iraq war, Bush, Cheney and Rice are not Jews. Neither is Sen John McCain, Lindsey Graham,Rush Limbaugh. Sarah Palin proclaimed the Iraq war "A task from God". And a majority of other non Jews who advocated for the Iraq war. So why single them out? Except to espouse hate, cloaked in the name of peace.

 

Today, the executive and legislative branches are laying the groundwork for a war on ISIS. Advocates do not include any prominent Jews, at this time.

 

I see it's very fashionable to spout hate of Jews in NHB. Why not take it there?

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I guess it's because sometimes I think Americans are phonies and that though they are not Jews, they talk about making america "Great", and this sort of fake-patriotism that flies in the crimes of the USA abroad and the endless war could only be the brainwashing of Conservative Jews, who remembering they were not allowed to own guns or land in Europe, etc...and past pogroms, sought to make the USA a safe-haven for themselves. That's why all the Libertarians are Jews. The main core of Libertarian philosophers are Jews. That's just a fact.

 

I have nothing wrong with Jews in particular, though if they are using normal "Americans" (whatever those are) and promoting American Patriotic Wars through American presidents like Kissinger - well, this is a problem. I once saw a video of people in India holding picket signs in the 70s. One of them said "Kissinger of Death" (kiss of death). Then you have people like Rahm Emanuel, who was an open advocate of mandatory military service in the USA under Obama, a plan that didnt go through. I once heard of him brandishing a butcher knife at a meeting and stabbing it into a table in anger at some event.

 

Sometimes I have to get radical in my talk about what's going on, sort of a threat like "If you dont stop the current wars against Islam, I might blame Jews!" They do have their own thinktanks and stuff and clever propaganda.

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There are many think tanks devoted to Christian, Islamic, Buddhist, Jewish, New Age and Atheist thought. Yet you insist on faulting the Jews, as if there was something wrong about a Jewish think tank.

 

Sometimes I have to get radical in my talk about what's going on, sort of a threat like "If you dont stop the current wars against Islam, I might blame Jews!" They do have their own thinktanks and stuff and clever propaganda.

 

http://www.acton.org/pub/religion-liberty/volume-15-number-1/popes-think-tank

The Pope's Think Tank

Why did Pope John Paul II found the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences in 1994?

 

http://www.academia.edu/4946850/Christian_Think-Tanks_in_Europe_and_North_America

Christian Think-Tanks In Europe And North America

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Inside the Cristian world, there is a significant difference between Catholic, Protestant and Evangelical think tanks on the one hand and Orthodox - on the other.

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Thus we will consider: Religious analysis think tanks, Christian think tanks, with their categories: Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox and Evangelical, Ecumenical and Inter-Religious think tanks, Islamic think tanks, Jewish think tanks, Buddhist think tanks and New Age think tanks and Atheist think tanks.

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There follows a long text in which all the different think tanks of different religions and denominations are named. It's interesting that this site does not allow copy and paste, at least in this instance. It was necessary to type it out.

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I'm merely speculating, not faulting Jews. I know a few Jews in real life. Just that sometimes I like to open my mind to the idea that Jews have a lot of power in the USA and that what appears to be American interests and patriotism is a kind of parody of American patriotism that is passed around like a meme-thought amongst the more stupid Christian Americans, and being primarily promoted by zionsts or Jewish conservatives. There are a lot of Jewish conservatives. Where I live there is an annual Jewish food festival and making a big appearance there is a booth run by crazy Conservative Jews with a big sign that says "Jews for Conservatism". Sometimes I get a real feeling of spite from Libertarians or Republican nuts online, and it occurs to me: maybe this was a Jew I was talking to and not a normal white trash American? There was something in that feeling of hate that was not just white trash hate but a Jewish hate that came from generations of jews being oppressed.

 

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The "Endtimes" video above comes from an Jew hater organization. In the video, it's claimed, with no substantiation whatever, of course, that before Obama's election:--

 

"the globalists" told Hillary, at the Jolderberg-Root? meeting that "Comrade Barack Obama had been chosen as president and she (Hillary) would get the secretary of state spot".

 

Then there's all kinds of insinuations that Rahm Emmanuel is an Israeli Mole. And that he will, without doubt, get the vice presidential nod. But, according to the narrator, if he were they, "They better hurry up and give Emmanuel some exposure" because " Hillary's not getting any younger" This is far out on the lunatic fringe folks.

 

Some other gems from the people who put together the video in post #6.

 

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I dont buy heavily into conspiracies. Though I did watch an interview the Rahm really laying it out himself about how everyone had to join the military! I try to wade through what is obviously anti-semite garbage to what might actually be true. The Israeli lobby is the biggest religious lobby in the USA. Catholic Bishops lobby is second biggest.

 

I wouldnt normally care but looks like more and more WAR!

 


This is a mockup for an film post I am doing for my own personal pleasure for the Pilger Documentary "The War on Democracy". I downloaded it and went through it taking screenshots and am still working on it in GIMP. It has Kissinger and Friedman heads floating and that bastard Duane Clarridge hovering in the upperright. The guy in the bottom right is Juan Delphin a Bolivian taxi driver.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_on_Democracy

 

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Interesting.

 

I believe an all-volunteer military is dangerous for representative government. All-volunteer, in the US has been synonymous with rural and conservative. The conservative troops are fed a steady diet of right wing indoctrination by their right wing officers. In addition, Fox news, Limbaugh and the rest are standard fare.

 

If a truly Liberal government were ever to be achieved in the US, a coup d'etat would be a real danger.... A military takeover and rule by a military junta. Possibly featuring puppet civilians installed by mock elections.

 

A military composed of volunteers and conscripts includes people from all geographic areas and levels of political sophistication. Everything from far right to left. The inclusion of a sizeable number of leftys has a profound effect on many of the more reactionary soldiers. I know because I served while there was still a draft and I saw it first hand.

 

That said, If we stop the endless war, a much smaller corps of highly trained soldiers will be sufficient. They would serve as trainers in case mobilization was ever called for again.

 

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I disapprove of a war with ISIS on many levels. I feel endless war is pointless, cruel abroad and corrosive here at home. I believe Islamic terrorism will lose its reason for being if the West gets out of their lands. And I feel we MUST start to invest effort to solve our many domestic problems.

 

The cause of endless war? Look no farther than the $$Military Industrial Complex$$. Eisenhower understood, better than most, the danger it poses and we should take a lesson from his wisdom.

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I have thought more than once that a military Putsch has already happened but we havent been notified. Would we actually know if a military coup had taken over the state? More than likely, they would make it appear as much as possible as if the USA were still operating normally with elections that were sort of half-hearted to kind of appease the masses with wishywashy liberal leaders and insane republicans like Bush or Trump who deflect attention from the fact that the state was a military dictatorship.

 

That's why the military has been installing military rightwing leaders in Latin America. They have been installing little copies of the american putsch into other lands with slightly harsher leaders who are loyal to the USA military that trains and schools them.

 

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Rattling-the-Cage-Israel-and-dictators-besides-Mubarak

 

Instead, we typically played Robin to America’s Batman in the fight against communism – and if the rebels weren’t communists, if they were socialists or liberals or peasants or just the run of poor people fed up with tyranny and poverty, we and our American patrons called them communists (just like we’re tarring the Egyptian masses now as radicals and jihadists.) And when, in the late 1970s, Jimmy Carter began cutting off American military aid to tyrants (including the shah of Iran, another Israeli favorite), and in the 1980s, when Congress continued imposing these sanctions against Ronald Reagan’s will, Israel was there to step into the breach.

“The Israelis do not let this human rights thing stand in the way of business," a prominent right-wing Guatemalan politician said in a recent interview. "You pay, they deliver. No questions asked, unlike the gringos,” wrote University of Haifa Prof. Benjamin Beit- Hallahmi, quoting from Reuters in his 1987 book, The Israeli Connection – Who Israel Arms and Why.

 

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If there was a military coup d'etat, it couldn't be kept secret. The proof lies in the continued elections of some on the far left, like Bernie Sanders. But you're right in a lesser sense. When it comes to waging wars against groups and countries that can't really fight back, the Military Industrial Complex is in control of government. Unlike a coup d'etat, this arrangement can be reversed.

 

All the arms-producing countries, including Israel sell weapons to their puppets. It's one of the most destructive forms of commerce in the world today. Israel is in the wrong place.... No other people's existence is as threatened.... Despite the aid they get from the US. They should have taken western Australia when it was originally offered. It's too late now.

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I guess there are two types of Americans, ones that maybe just live here because they are from here, and others who have "idealism" and "patriotism" and appear to be brainwashed by space-aliens who want to take over the whole world.

 

For me, the USA is pretty safe strategically. Big oceans on either side, mountains, rivers, all have helped the USA turn into a strong isolationist land.

 

The question is: why do supposedly patriotic americans continually sabotage the rest of us by involving us in endless military debacles overseas? And if Americans really are so stupid, then someone else must be in charge. As they asked after Bush was elected: how could these dumb people be the leaders of the free world?

 

Consequently, dont you sometimes wonder if there is some smart group in charge like Jews?

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I guess there are two types of Americans, ones that maybe just live here because they are from here, and others who have "idealism" and "patriotism" and appear to be brainwashed by space-aliens who want to take over the whole world.

 

For me, the USA is pretty safe strategically. Big oceans on either side, mountains, rivers, all have helped the USA turn into a strong isolationist land.

 

The question is: why do supposedly patriotic americans continually sabotage the rest of us by involving us in endless military debacles overseas? And if Americans really are so stupid, then someone else must be in charge. As they asked after Bush was elected: how could these dumb people be the leaders of the free world?

 

Consequently, dont you sometimes wonder if there is some smart group in charge like Jews?

 

Any serious thought reveals it to be a conspiracy theory. The brief appearance of influential Jewish Neocons during the Bush years is gone now. Without the election of Cheney/Bush, they would never have risen to prominence and there wouldn't have been a second Iraq war. The confluence of factors is coincidental.

 

To reiterate: The endless war we are seeing now is largely market driven. There is big profit and small risk in warring against groups or countries which can't effectively fight back. The remedy is the election of a government that 1 - Gets money and bribery out of politics and 2 - Imposes strong regulation on industries, forcing them to profit by beneficial goods and services and preventing the abuses we see now.

 

Patriotism and hawkishness is constantly drummed up in the US by the Right Wing Noise Machine. At present, the left has nothing that remotely compares with it. The left needs to develop an apparatus to start winning hearts and minds in the USA.

 

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Luckily the Western Hemisphere is, as you say, protected by broad oceans. In a military/geographic sense, we are the opposite of Israel, which is hemmed in, north, east and south, by hostile nations. Beyond the enrichment of a small handful of war profiteers, we have no reason to keep conducting these immoral and destructive foreign adventures.

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The endless war may be market driven but the groups do seem capable of fighting back. Apparently they killed 127 in France recently. Well, can we say this market driven war is not just against people who can't make trouble in return?

 

It seems the main factors in the USA becoming a "Great Nation" were not God, Idealism, or Capitalism but geographic factors such as the Mountains, Rivers and Oceans. In fact, with so much land and so much diverse terrain, we could have this whole land set up to repel any enemy or invader without ever fighting Muslims, Commies, or Nazis overseas. We could live here and use the "the best offense is a good defence" aphorism.

 

The USA was neutral for many a year without too much involvement in international affairs. Most Americans dont travel overseas. If we didnt have this geographic isolationism, we would have been wiped out long ago. Isnt it time to appreciate the canyons, deserts, badlands, and giant mountains, that make USA great rather than war?

 

China and Afghanistan as well rely on terrain features such as mountains and deserts to make them tough and hard to reach. For instance, for Islamic nuts to cross by land to eastern China, many would have to cross huge mountains and hostile desert. Whoever says we have to fight overseas is crazy and wants to sabotage us.

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I agree except on one point: These lightly armed and trained groups can kill people but at present, there is no risk of being defeated by them. Despite any lip service to the contrary, the military industrialists are indifferent to casualties which don't affect the outcome of these conflicts. As recent US military involvement has demonstrated, the goal is not to win, but to keep conflict ongoing. Even victory oriented, mindlessly warlike Cons sometimes take notice of it.

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I agree except on one point: These lightly armed and trained groups can kill people but at present, there is no risk of being defeated by them. Despite any lip service to the contrary, the military industrialists are indifferent to casualties which don't affect the outcome of these conflicts. As recent US military involvement has demonstrated, the goal is not to win, but to keep conflict ongoing. Even victory oriented, mindlessly warlike Cons sometimes take notice of it.

 

Then I guess there is nothing to be done but forget about the world and say it's all out of my hands and not vote, which is the conclusion I come to over and over again.

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The best option is Bernie Sanders. Not a pacifist but say he is against unnecessary intervention and actually voted AGAINST the Iraq war. Good evidence that he means what he says.

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The best option is Bernie Sanders. Not a pacifist but say he is against unnecessary intervention and actually voted AGAINST the Iraq war. Good evidence that he means what he says.

 

Isnt it sort of unlikely that he will win the nomination? Arent these candidates controlled by Wallstreet bankers? Arent the Wallstreet guys just letting us imagine a sort of smiling Socialist guy for a little while to make us feel better before sticking us with either Jeb or Hillary, both of which like to except payoffs and get 600 dollar haircuts?

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Painting everyone with the same brush is always a mistake. IMO Bernie is not controlled by anyone but the electorate. I doubt you can find reputable evidence to the contrary. Your cynicism about authority overrides any evidence provided by the real world.

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Painting everyone with the same brush is always a mistake. IMO Bernie is not controlled by anyone but the electorate. I doubt you can find reputable evidence to the contrary. Your cynicism about authority overrides any evidence provided by the real world.

 

I can vote for him, but in general dont americans put in very mainstream candidates like the Clintons and Bushes? The worst thing is voting for a Democrat and them not win. It gives a feeling of being cheated by having been lured into mainstream reality only to be blocked out. I felt better voting for Gloria La Riva and knowing she wasnt going to win, but having voted for someone I know would do what she said if she did win, namely dismantle the military bases overseas! :)

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wow, long ongoing discussion here. I do think neocons in the US are linked with neocons in Israel. The power brokers are all in line, and the Palestinians are caught in the middle. We should also include the Iron leaders of Egypt and the Saudi Kings in the discussion. For the most part things go on due to the oil (not NG) that the West and now China needs. From this al-Qaeda and isil were born - a combination of radical Muslims who were once tortured in Saudi and Egyptian prisons, along with those remnant leaders from the Baathist Party who were soured by G.W. Bush regimes war in Iraq.

 

So now Isil and Al al-Qaeda are a lot of places and a real threat to world peace. Question is, where do we go from here?

 

Considering Syria and the millions driven out, many trying to reach the West, many already there; are we fooling ourselves if we think this can be resolved without a world wide campaign against terrorism - like never before?

 

I Believe president Obama and Sanders are correct - it has to include the powers in the ME, as well as a real solid agreement by all the other great powers in the world. Perhaps, and this is what I think the president is now saying, the regime in Syria for the most part should stay intact ( short-term, Asad stays, but an agreement for some type of power change must be bargained for). The war is against the terrorist now and it will take a joint effort from all the parties, an incredible amount of cooperation of the kind rarely, if ever seen.

 

We all know, once you pare the terrorist groups way down, the ME is still fragile ( Pakistan and others like Boko Haraam in Nigeria are also of important issue). We all need to know this going in. Many brave people in France have gone out in the streets, and are giving blood to at least do something after the bloodbath yesterday. Many said they will not change their live styles, they are not afraid, for they show fear, the terrorist have won. But this should not be something we must live with. The time to act is growing close, it must start with diplomacy, and in the UN, and most especially with negotiations between the five permanent members of the security council: China, Russia, France, The UK, and the US.

 

 

Peace!

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I always think enemies of america are created by actions of the USA. If you have an enemy, you always ask yourself if you did something to piss them off, otherwise you would be really one-sided. I guess I usually assume terrorist attacks are strong messages sent by people we have pissed off.

 

So in the sense of not showing fear, as you say, it seems best to ignore the whole thing and numb the effect of the attackers by acting as if nothing is going on. That's how I always deal with everything, especially in this case Islamic Nuts Want a Response.

 

Ideally, for me, I would not even hear of a major attack until a week after it happened, and then just sort of think offhandedly: "looks like the USA or France has been attacked", but not identify myself with these lands and show no sense of gravity.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/spanish-court-issues-arrest-warrants-for-netanyahu-senior-israeli-officials/5489171

 

A Spanish court has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other senior Israeli officials for their role in the 2010 attack on the Freedom Flotilla heading to Gaza, local media reported on Friday.

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Likud is basically the Israel branch of the Republican Party. Except Likud is much more overtly fascist than the Republican Party.

 

The answer to why the US is constantly involving itself in foreign interventions etc is the fairly standard one of imperialism. It's no coincidence that US imperialism has seen a sharp uptick in the decades since 1970, and that is because (as happened in the period roughly 1890-1920) the share of national income going to labor has been dropped steadily. With more surplus capital and redistribution of wealth branded "communism" and pretty much off the table, that surplus capital has to go somewhere, and that somewhere is frequently arms sales to our vicious dictator friends abroad, the wars we have fought, etc, etc. The military has to be deployed to safeguard the offshore profits of the corporate rulers.

 

In short, it is an issue of political economy, it has nothing to do with "the Jews." It would be a grave, anti-Semitic mistake to conflate Jews with Zionists.

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I know that Jews are not Zionists. On the other hand, I made this thread as a kind of rhetorical threat, to mean: so you are going to keep going to war, then it's possible to blame Jews entirely, and they can be intentionally scapegoated because they have power/money and perhaps they can influence events if threatened, like end war. Of course I am not really an antisemite or believe in this total jew conspiracy.

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