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So I was having a debate(more like a shouting match) but then he said that the democratic socialism that he states, is not democratic socialism. That, Bernie sanders only wants to get ahead of Hilary Clinton. That he is using the shock factor like Donald Trump and that this is not socialism what he is doing, because he does not want to nationalise industries.

 

And the major point that my conservative brother made about Bernie Sanders(apart from saying that Bernie Sanders was a senile pedophile, purely in jest) was that he is doing what every other Democratic hopeful wants to do except he wants to do it, in a more loud way(what ever that means <--)

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Bernie Sanders is not using the "shock factor". Sanders believes in Nordic style Democratic Socialism or just Democratic Socialism. This model of government is found, with variations, in Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Sweden. Countries such as Canada, Japan, Singapore and New Zealand also have their own versions.

 

Democratic Socialism practices free market capitalism in which corporations are not nationalized but highly regulated to make sure the operate for the good of the nation and it's people. Typically there is free trade.... A highly progressive tax code with the rich and corporations contributing the most, by far, and less tax, the less one earns. The Democratic Socialist countries enjoy a cradle to grave welfare state with generous public, social programs, lavish social security, free health care and generous work benefits, high pay, long, paid vacations, time off for childbirth or illness, etc. Also free education and free higher education for those who qualify.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5]

Although there are significant differences among the Nordic countries, they all share some common traits. These include support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government;[6] and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade.[7]

 

Bernie Sanders is in no way equivalent to Donald Trump. Bernie has proved without doubt, that he will try to get votes by spreading the message of Democratic Socialism and NOT any other way. He actually has demonstrated support for Hillary Clinton, against Republicans trying to slander her. He has stated that if he falls behind Hillary before the presidential election, he will drop out of the race rather than take votes from her. In other words, it's more important to Bernie for the Democrats to win the presidency than that he should win it.

 

I hope that helps.

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No he is NOT a socialist. He is a dangerous war mongering democrat who wants money and power.

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No he is NOT a socialist. He is a dangerous war mongering democrat who wants money and power.

 

And this opinion flies contrary to all the facts.

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And this opinion flies contrary to all the facts.

 

It says here in this article he is very normal Democrat type and no different from the Clintons with bombing Yugoslavia and voting for funding to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I doubt seriously we will have a radical departure from the normal Democrats. He has a vicious look to him, like he could order some heavy military crap. Also he seems to support Israel bombing campaigns and is Jewish himself. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but this guy is no woody allen and not a peacenik. Most of the Democrats believe in a philosophy that comes from the Puritans in New England that hold financial success as proof of superiority. People that old tend to think only about money. if you run for office, then you must want "power".

 

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad

One facet of Nordic Socialism is monopolization of alcohol by the government. Will he do that?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget

 

They also tend to be heavy into mandatory military service in Scandinavia.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793994/no-longer-just-job-boys-norway-extends-compulsory-military-service-medically-fit-women-aged-19-44.html

 

Will he bring universal healthcare or just keep Obamacare that has many people confused?

 

Will university become cheaper or free?

 

The Green Party also promotes the Nordic Model.

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It says here in this article he is very normal Democrat type and no different from the Clintons with bombing Yugoslavia and voting for funding to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

The bombing of Yugoslavia that Sanders voted for was to stop the Bosnian Genocide during which Christians were trying to exterminate Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide

The war in Iraq, which Sanders voted against, was sold to Congress using false intelligence. The war in Afghanistan was waged to dismantle Al Qaeda which was believed responsible for the World Trade Center Attacks, which killed thousands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%9314%29

 

 

I doubt seriously we will have a radical departure from the normal Democrats.

 

He's better than any other candidate running now, in a major party.

 

 

He has a vicious look to him, like he could order some heavy military crap

 

Bizarre!

 

Almost nobody else sees Sanders this way. And even it it were true, it's not an accurate or rational way to judge anybody. Do you seriously think "he could order some serious military crap" just because of a "look to him"? That's in your mind only.

 

 

Also he seems to support Israel bombing campaigns and is Jewish himself. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but this guy is no woody allen and not a peacenik.

 

Not sure what you mean. Are you implying Sander wants to bomb Israel and there's a contradiction being "Jewish himself"? I don't think you'll find any valid documentation of that. Or do you mean Israeli bombing campaigns outside Israel, against non-Jews?

 

 

Most of the Democrats believe in a philosophy that comes from the Puritans in New England that hold financial success as proof of superiority.

 

Obviously, believing in Democratic Socialism, and leveling the economic playing field, not stratifying it, Sanders doesn't subscribe to any Puritan beliefs about financial superiority.

 

 

People that old tend to think only about money.

 

Not sure if this is a stereotype or just something you made up. Either way it's absurd and absolutely not true. Even if it was true, to apply that broad a stereotype, to an individual and judge him/her on it is magical thinking.

 

 

If you run for office, then you must want "power".

 

The worth of what you want to achieve with the power you seek, is what counts. In Sander's case, he obviously wants the power of the presidency with the laudable goal of making life better for all Americans through advancing our system toward Democratic Socialism.

 

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad

One facet of Nordic Socialism is monopolization of alcohol by the government. Will he do that?

 

Haven't heard of it. Don't care. But I doubt it. Sanders is mainly interested in the economic and humanistic benefits of Democratic Socialism. Nowhere did he ever express a dogmatic adherence to all its tenets.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget

 

They also tend to be heavy into mandatory military service in Scandinavia.

 

I'll be brief. I served back in the US conscription army. It was a much less docile group than the all-volunteer zombies now. Many draftees were politically sophisticated and Liberal.... Almost unheard of in the all-volunteer army of today. I believe in the draft.

 

That's in no way saying that Bernie supports a draft. He doesn't His main interest in Democratic Socialism is the benefits it brings to ALL citizens.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793994/no-longer-just-job-boys-norway-extends-compulsory-military-service-medically-fit-women-aged-19-44.html

 

Will he bring universal healthcare or just keep Obamacare that has many people confused?

 

Bernie is for universal healthcare but presidents are not omnipotent. He will bring it if Congress and the SCOTUS cooperate enough.

 

 

Will university become cheaper or free?

 

Things will go in that direction for sure. Again, a lot will depend on how much cooperation he gets from the other branches of government.

 

 

The Green Party also promotes the Nordic Model.

 

Bottom line.... The Green Party hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell. That said, Democratic Socialism, as practiced, with variations. in Scandinavia, The Netherlands, Canada, Singapore, New Zealand and Japan, is the best government people can have. The Green Party has obviously caught on to this. Perhaps others will too with the passage of time. Democratic Socialism has only been in existence for about 45 years.

 

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I know about the Bosnia genocide, but bombing Serbian civilian areas with Depleted Uraniun was not the answer. Their land is still poisoned and like in Iraq where they used this stuff due to the ability it has to harden munition shells to penetrate tanks, etc. Unfortunately, it also penetrates civilian homes and the earth! It caused birth defects in children in Serbia and Iraq and continues to make problems years afterwards for these people.

 

The attack on Kosovo is hardly the extent of Sanders' hawkishness. While it's true he voted against the Iraq War, he also voted in favor of authorizing funds for that war and the one in Afghanistan. More recently, he voted in favor of a $1 billion aid package for the coup government Ukraine and supported Israel's assault on Gaza. At a town hall meeting he admitted that Israel may have "overreacted", but blamed Hamas for the entire conflict. After a woman asked why he refused to condemn Israel's actions, he told critics: "Excuse me! Shut up! You don’t have the microphone.”

 

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad


 

michijo, on 20 Oct 2015 - 6:45 PM, said: One facet of Nordic Socialism is monopolization of alcohol by the government. Will he do that?

 

 

Haven't heard of it. Don't care. But I doubt it. Sanders is mainly interested in the economic and humanistic benefits of Democratic Socialism. Nowhere did he ever express a dogmatic adherence to all its tenets.

 

 

Monopolization of alcohol is something they do in Ontario Canada as well, where they have something of the Nordic Model. It takes alcohol out of the hands of private sellers who open shops in the ghetto or near indian reservations like White Clay Nebraska. The government would control it from state run stores and make revenue from the sales. It's actually a good idea. It's stated to have reduced alcoholism in Sweden.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverages_in_Canada

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I'm in favor of reducing alcoholism. I'm also in favor of curtailing the activities of unscrupulous liquor merchants in ghetto areas. But I'm not in favor of prohibition. Don't know Bernie's stance on this.

 

Despite favoring Israel and voting for US intervention to stop the Kosovo Genocide, Sanders is still the most peaceful candidate now running in any major party, judging by his record of voting against the Iraq war. To describe it otherwise amounts to heavy spin.

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michijo, on 20 Oct 2015 - 6:45 PM, said: Most of the Democrats believe in a philosophy that comes from the Puritans in New England that hold financial success as proof of superiority.

 

 

Obviously, believing in Democratic Socialism, and leveling the economic playing field, not stratifying it, Sanders doesn't subscribe to any Puritan beliefs about financial superiority.

 

 

You literally can't escape the puritan influence on American society. Even our high imprisonment rate comes from the sort of Puritan zeal for burning witches and putting people in jail. It all stems from something called Calvinism. And he lives in New England, Vermont. We have not yet removed the seed of Calvin from the Democrats!

 

http://www.publiceye.org/defendingjustice/overview/berlet_calvinism.html

 

Some of the goals of many White evangelical conservatives are shared by another group of people who call themselves the Neoconservatives. These are former liberals and leftists who rejected the social, cultural, and political liberation movements of the 1960s and 1970s. Neoconservative social and cultural politics echo many Calvinist themes such as the need to defend traditional morality and the patriarchal family; the special role for America in world affairs, and the righteousness of economic capitalism.

 

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I dont follow any mass movement behind any leader in the USA. The direction Americans take always seems stupid to me and ends poorly, whether it is Democrat or Republican. Americans dont seem to understand each other. I keep to myself and never follow along with you people. You Americans have no direction and are going nowhere and never will.

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I dont follow any mass movement behind any leader in the USA. The direction Americans take always seems stupid to me and ends poorly, whether it is Democrat or Republican. Americans dont seem to understand each other. I keep to myself and never follow along with you people. You Americans have no direction and are going nowhere and never will.

 

And yet you continue living here as a citizen. So there must be something you like about it and not telling. Maybe continual condemnation of the system and people is a way of blaming others for your own dissatisfaction.... Maybe you would be denied that if you relocated.

 

Every country has problems. They can be fixed. Fatalism never fixed anything.

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And yet you continue living here as a citizen. So there must be something you like about it and not telling. Maybe continual condemnation of the system and people is a way of blaming others for your own dissatisfaction.... Maybe you would be denied that if you relocated.

 

Every country has problems. They can be fixed. Fatalism never fixed anything.

 

It's just that I am tied into this land and it's history. My whole family lives here. Abroad I have no relatives. I have nothing to do overseas. I am not in banking or some a form of employment that makes it easy to relocate abroad. If my employment took me overseas, I'd probably be glad to leave!

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Dear Liberal Islam,

 

I'm sure your blog is unique. I won't go there however in fear of viruses on my compute. But, I will say, you appear to be very intelligent and you remind me very much of my thirteen year old daughter who is well above her years regarding intellect, that is brainy smart, yet also, very much so, she is distant, emotionally speaking, that is. She's very gifted, mathematical mind, mastermind in memory, saw it early in her when she was barely three, yet a real pain in the ass, if you know what I mean.

 

Peace!

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Well now, who doesn't like a good football analogy?

Where I live there is this team, let's call them the 49er's.

They had great talent yet year after year they really sucked.

They brought in this one coach, and all of the sudden they were great.

Same team, different coach, they achieved, yet, for some reason they never

made it to the top.

After a couple years of great success, yet never making it all the way, they fired the coach.

Next year, a lot on the team left. A new coach came in.

No the new coach in no way sucks,

Yes, the team still has lots of talent but they still suck.

 

The coach they had before when they were very successful but never reached the top

was a real grinder. He made those son of a bitches play their fricking best.

But he also made enemies with the ownership, the ownership of the team deeply felt that they had to cut him loose, and so they did.

So this coach they fired went back to his Alma mater, the U of M, which was a pretty bad team.

That same team the year before has the same exact talent as it did last year

Yet this year they are a really really good damn team. I do hope they will crush Ohio State this year in the Big Game.

 

The question is, does it take a hard nose

A real grinder to make people believe in themselves

 

Is that coach such a great leader that we just don't see

the specifics the grinding nature, his teachings, which make any team

he coaches rise above

 

Or, could it be the taciturn belief that you can do anything you set your mind

to do if you believe?

 

Could you believe in peace and human justice, brotherhood and the importance

of looking out for the other guy

 

Or would you only want to win no matter what the cost

 

Maybe the most important question one should ask is

Is it only just a game

 

I'm an Oakland Raider fan; well, actually I'm a Detroit Lion fan

 

I think I know the answer. I think I always did.

 

I understand the loss. I understand what it means

I understand that nothing's been done about it

 

I understand it to be only just a game.

 

But life itself isn't a game. But it is kind of like football.

 

Peace!

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