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On 10/19/2020 at 10:35 PM, teacher said:

Is this thread pinned? I didn't pin this thread. Who wants to be in charge of the LO Room? Last guy I put in charge of this place was a Shrillary guy, or a Bernie guy, I don't much care but it was fun to watch. Here's the thing, liberals, ya'll have to figure out exactly what kind of control freak ya'll want to be in charge. Ain't gonna be me. Just think, years ago I put one of you in charge and I carefully watched all that cause, you know, I was waiting for the carnage. Carnage ensued. I watched ya'll eat your own. I did that. It was outstanding, I told ya'll what was gonna happen and then we all watched it happen. Those were fun times. How about we do that again? Ya'll can't help it, control freaks that you are. And that's the thing. What is it gonna be this time? Antifa? BLM? Socialist democrats? Democratic socialists? Not like I don't hand it to ya'll and watch ya'll fail. So, ah, I need names. Nominate your moderator. If one of you lefties was in charge and there was a CO (Conservatives Only) Room there wouldn't be a CO Room and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Yes, I'm enjoying this. Again. 

Did you find a leader yet. Not interested but I think you should put spycar in charge. 

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From Rayosun's site: http://liberalvsconservative.org/

I don't think that excludes anyone except Bush and Palin, with the possible exception of Michelle Bachmann.

Empathy for fellow man and all sentient creatures. Care about future generations. Concern for the environment Lack of greed.  

I won't post in this room. But I am glad Bill is at the reign and wanted to share here.. once.

 

I registered Republican and voted for Bill Weld in the primary directly against Trump..  I was pretty sure dems were going to niminate Joe at the time. My #1 pick of Amy Klobuchar was never going to become a reality. My party affiliation only means which Maryland Primary I vote in to me. After the Primary it's who is the least evil.

 

I have come to repsect fiscal responsibility. I think we are far too liberal with economic policy. I suspect that much of the stimulus just doesn't exist and is direct deposited from a vacuum.. This can't be healthy. Economics is not my strong point though.

 

Anyway, I was deemed not a liberal by @bludoga long time ago.

 

My belief is everyone has conservative and liberal in them and achieving balance is important. I cannot be all liberal only all the time.

 

Also, the debate in here is far more serious in NHB.. I have admired content in here. With Billl in charge I will be reading more.

 

Thank you for letting me speak my mind a bit.  May the room grow..

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Katydid said:

Well. For me, I have to be thick-skinned while at the same time hold my tongue while being the only Democrat in my entire family. Makes you want to become invisible.

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

Bill

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On 8/6/2015 at 10:47 AM, Renegade said:

I assume you're asking what qualifies you to post in the Liberals Only room? I am not a moderator, but I feel like sharing my opinion:

 

- Don't advocate voting for Republicans

- Discuss issues with civility

- Don't fall back on religion to justify your views

- Support your positions by explaining how they will improve life for lower or middle-class people

- No racism

- No sexism

 

 

Does supporting title nine rights qualify as sexism? Many women prefer to compete against other biological women and not against biological men. Pseudo-science notwithstanding, we all know that women have vaginas and men have penises. 

 

Of late, pseudo-science has soiled liberalism and turned liberals anti-woman. Forcing women to either leave sports or compete against biological males is misogyny. 

 

How do we deal with THAT issue? Through censorship?

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21 hours ago, Common said:

Does supporting title nine rights qualify as sexism?

 

In my opinion, this is not sexism.    

 

21 hours ago, Common said:

we all know that women have vaginas and men have penises. 

 

Like so many other things, these are not a permanent conditions.  A doctor can rearrange flesh with a scalpel and hormones.  But, even that doesn't fully reverse biological reality.  

 

No liberal wants transgender people to be discriminated against in areas like jobs or housing.  On the other hand, I believe women have legitimate concerns when it comes to 'female only' areas and activities.  It's a complex issue.  Personally, I don't have a position yet so seeing a good discussion would be helpful to me.

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2 hours ago, Renegade said:

 

In my opinion, this is not sexism.    

 

 

Like so many other things, these are not a permanent conditions.  A doctor can rearrange flesh with a scalpel and hormones.  But, even that doesn't fully reverse biological reality.  

 

No liberal wants transgender people to be discriminated against in areas like jobs or housing.  On the other hand, I believe women have legitimate concerns when it comes to 'female only' areas and activities.  It's a complex issue.  Personally, I don't have a position yet so seeing a good discussion would be helpful to me.

Prioritizing the feelings of thousands of men above the safety of millions of women is the very opposite of liberalism That's just not a complex idea - not complex at all. I cannot imagine anything more blood simple than the notion that women, ever the victims of sexual violence, have a right to their own sports and facilities.

 

And the argument that transgender males do not sexually offend against women is twice flawed. It is flawed because there is no body of statistics yet available from which to draw such a claim; and it is flawed because those making the claim refuse to define transgender. Their working definition of "transgender" is based entirely on the claim of an individual, and they merely assume that no rapist or predator would lie. Professional ethics or something, I guess.

 

As to people with gender dysphoria, that is a fairly simple psychiatric diagnosis. Like mumps or measles, it is something even a lay person can easily detect. "You see your penis and gonads, but insist you are 'really' a woman, ya say?"

 

You don't need a PDR to look this one up...

 

If you look at countries too poor to afford proper, sex segregated facilities - places like rural villages in India, - you will observe that the public cistern is where the rapes occur. We are genetically hard wired to seek privacy when we poop, and catching a woman in a private area with her pants down is every rapists' aim. 

 

Politics have nothing to do with mental illness, except in the arena of making sure people are not brutalized on our dime - that they are treated humanely for their conditions. But forcing other people to play along and pretend with them? That's the opposite of liberalism. That's mass hysteria, and it will be looked at by future generations in the same way that WE look at witch trials and blood lettings. It will be seen as a shameful manifestation of ignorance and superstition.

 

It will be seen as a betrayal of long held liberal values, including the once-respected liberal value of equal rights and equal protections for women.

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21 hours ago, Common said:

It will be seen as a betrayal of long held liberal values, including the once-respected liberal value of equal rights and equal protections for women.

 

You should start a thread on this topic.  I would be interested in seeing if anyone disagrees with you.  

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4 hours ago, Renegade said:

 

You should start a thread on this topic.  I would be interested in seeing if anyone disagrees with you.  

They HAVE to disagree. Their liberal card will be on the line - they MUST align with the trans movement. and to do that, they must stab the women's movement in the back - because tossing out the definition of woman and rewriting it based on politicized pseudo-science is the very meat and marrow of the destruction of their rights AS WOMEN. Title nine - gone. Made available to any men willing to tell a simple lie - meaning gone. Privacy and safety - gone. Because any man willing to lie about his inner feelings - including peepers and leerers and frat boys on a giggling dare and blitz rapists and serial killers and whatever other type of predators you can name[ in short, ANY male predator - will happily feign a "feeling" which gives him access to prey.

 

I don't need agreement from those denying reality to continue embracing it - and starting a thread on the topic will only get me tossed. :)

 

If you do a bit of googling to look at countries which do not sex segregate bathroom facilities, you will quickly divine that the communal bathrooms are a near fit with the term rape room. On top of that, sex-segregated showers are NOT age segregated. So a purported "trans" who is pre-op can - in jurisdictions that have legislated on this new "right" - expose their penises to little girls' track teams, if that is their particular kink. 

 

Again, this is not an attack on "trans," because in order to attack a thing it must be defined, and there is no objective definition of a trans person, such that an objective observer could verify that the person is a "real" trans. Feelings-based definitions are pseudo-science by definition.

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To me On the it's about the COMMON good versus the Individual good.  We all give up some "natural rights" to join a civil society because we all do better when we all do better.  In my (simple) mind Conservatives see it the other way around.  All about my rights, my money, my job, my power..Way too simplistic I know.

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One more thought:

The democracy of to-day hold the liberty of one man to be absolutely nothing, when in conflict with another man's right of property. Republicans, on the contrary, are for both the man and the dollar; but in cases of conflict, the man before the dollar.

 

That was Lincoln's Republican Party.  Substitute Liberals for Republicans in the second sentence an that's the point.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism  

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Yellow is the political colour most commonly associated with liberalism.[11][12][13]

Liberalism became a distinct movement in the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among Western philosophers and economists. Liberalism sought to replace the norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, the divine right of kings and traditional conservatism with representative democracy and the rule of law. Liberals also ended mercantilist policies, royal monopolies and other barriers to trade, instead promoting free trade and free markets.[14] Philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct tradition, based on the social contract, arguing that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property and governments must not violate these rights.[15] While the British liberal tradition has emphasized expanding democracy, French liberalism has emphasized rejecting authoritarianism and is linked to nation-building.[16]

Leaders in the British Glorious Revolution of 1688,[17] the American Revolution of 1776 and the French Revolution of 1789 used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of royal tyranny. Liberalism started to spread rapidly especially after the French Revolution. The 19th century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe and South America, whereas it was well-established alongside republicanism in the United States.[18] In Victorian Britain, it was used to critique the political establishment, appealing to science and reason on behalf of the people.[19] During 19th and early 20th century, liberalism in the Ottoman Empire and Middle East influenced periods of reform such as the Tanzimat and Al-Nahda as well as the rise of constitutionalism, nationalism and secularism. These changes, along with other factors, helped to create a sense of crisis within Islam, which continues to this day, leading to Islamic revivalism. Before 1920, the main ideological opponents of liberalism were communism, conservatism and socialism,[20] but liberalism then faced major ideological challenges from fascism and Marxism–Leninism as new opponents. During the 20th century, liberal ideas spread even further, especially in Western Europe, as liberal democracies found themselves on the winning side in both world wars.[21]

In Europe and North America, the establishment of social liberalism (often called simply liberalism in the United States) became a key component in the expansion of the welfare state.[22] Today, liberal parties continue to wield power and influence throughout the world. The fundamental elements of contemporary society have liberal roots. The early waves of liberalism popularised economic individualism while expanding constitutional government and parliamentary authority.[14] Liberals sought and established a constitutional order that prized important individual freedoms, such as freedom of speech and freedom of association; an independent judiciary and public trial by jury; and the abolition of aristocratic privileges.[14] Later waves of modern liberal thought and struggle were strongly influenced by the need to expand civil rights.[23] Liberals have advocated gender and racial equality in their drive to promote civil rights and a global civil rights movement in the 20th century achieved several objectives towards both goals. Other goals often accepted by liberals include universal suffrage and universal access to education.

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] Left-wing politics typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.[1] According to emeritus professor of economics Barry Clark, left-wing supporters "claim that human development flourishes when individuals engage in cooperative, mutually respectful relations that can thrive only when excessive differences in status, power, and wealth are eliminated."[5]

Within the left–right political spectrum, Left and Right were coined during the French Revolution, referring to the seating arrangement in the French Estates General. Those who sat on the left generally opposed the Ancien Régime and the Bourbon monarchy and supported the French Revolution, the creation of a democratic republic and the secularisation of society[6] while those on the right were supportive of the traditional institutions of the Old Regime. Usage of the term Left became more prominent after the restoration of the French monarchy in 1815, when it was applied to the Independents.[7] The word wing was first appended to Left and Right in the late 19th century, usually with disparaging intent, and left-wing was applied to those who were unorthodox in their religious or political views.

The term Left was later applied to a number of movements, especially republicanism in France during the 18th century, followed by socialism,[8] including anarchism, communism, the labour movement, Marxism, social democracy and syndicalism in the 19th and 20th centuries.[9] Since then, the term left-wing has been applied to a broad range of movements,[10] including the civil rights movement, feminist movement, LGBT rights movement, anti-war movement and environmental movement[11][12] as well as a wide range of political parties.[13][14][15]

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