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3 hours ago, ExPDXer said:

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And her first language was French.

She immediately learned English, and is now also fluent in Spanish.

Canada would treat her with respect. Canadian pigeons would not be so kind.

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1 hour ago, benson13 said:

JUST ANOTHER CON-JOB BY THE CONS....AND THEIR CON-MAN

 

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A Fool To Rule, two posts up, by Jen Sorensen, is brilliant.

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7 hours ago, bludog said:

Scott Laserow's illustration about climate change.

 

It's probably already too late. I expect stronger and stronger wind storms in the coming years, as the world becomes more energized. How do we cope when hurricane force winds are normal everywhere, many times a year?

 

Underground dwellings? Concrete roofs?

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Welcome back laripu.  I say that sincerely, realizing the post below does not represent the more frequent insight and sophistication you usually bring to this board.  This post, IMO, is a departure from the creatively rich and factually replete opinions you usually put forth. 

 

5 hours ago, laripu said:

It's probably already too late. I expect stronger and stronger wind storms in the coming years, as the world becomes more energized. How do we cope when hurricane force winds are normal everywhere, many times a year?

 

Underground dwellings? Concrete roofs?

 

This is an abject acceptance of defeat.  It is a clarion call give up hope and do nothing.  It is a destructive position with no redeeming value.  It would be self-defeating for humanity, at any stage of global warming;  Now or in the future.   It could easily be the rationalization of a highly paid executive, in the oil industry who has gone beyond denial of climate change, but lusts for profit over all else.  We need to oppose those who call for inaction;  Not join them.

 

At each stage of global warming, there are multiple fixes and solutions, already proposed.  To ignore them because one has given up hope, is folly.

 

Here are some examples:

On 4/22/2019 at 12:21 PM, bludog said:

Almost surely, some form of global Climate Engineering will be necessary.  Scientists and others have devised many schemes to capture CO2 and methane from the atmosphere, reflect solar energy back out into space, or block a portion of sunlight from reaching earth.  

 

One of the most promising and least likely to cause unintended consequences is a project devised by Dr Joanne Chory, a professor and director of the Plant Molecular and Cellular Biology Laboratory, at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies and an investigator at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute.   As we speak, she and her team are working on the gene-editing of various plants.  Using traditional horticulture techniques and more advanced means like Crispr, they are creating "super plants", with deep, extensive root systems, that gather CO2 from air and store it underground.  These plants have the additional benefit of powerful erosion control. 

 

So these super plants can be grown as crops, covering vast portions of the globe.  They could also be planted in place of grass on, on side-gradings of highways and railroad, public fields, the spaces around public buildings and even residences

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/16/biologist-creating-super-plants-to-combat-climate-change/

 

Many forms of Climate Engineering have been proposed.  Most are worth consideration.  Undoubtedly some will be implemented in the future. Expressing hopelessness about correcting the problem only aids those who would sabotage progress in the interest of profits-now, for themselves, and disaster for all, in the long-run.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, bludog said:

 

This is an abject acceptance of defeat.  It is a clarion call give up hope and do nothing.

 

It is not. It offers two possible solutions to how to live with an overenergized climate, which we already have.

 

Since nothing is currently being done in a global scale to mitigate that, it will certainly continue to gain energy.

 

What we've already seen is disordered weather. We'll have more of that.

 

The solutions you mentioned are interesting and valuable, and something like that must be done; but they will take a long time to implement, and will have a slow effect. (The bigger the scale of an object, the longer it takes to turn. Consider an aircraft carrier. A world climate is several orders of magnitude bigger than that. I expect that the various solutions will take decades to slow the progress of climate change, then decades more to reverse it. Perhaps a century to get back to what wet had in 1950, after we even start.) In the meantime, the climate continues to increase in energy and disorder.

 

Concrete roofs are a solution already in use by affluent people in Puerto Rico, and those roofs survived recent hurricanes that destroyed lesser structures. (I heard of them from PR colleagues whose parents still live in the island. I work with three, all software engineers.) The downside is that after many years they develop leaks. The designs will change to minimize stress effects of temperature variation.

 

Car travel becomes problematic in high winds. (> 60 mph). Subways are a good solution to that, but not available everywhere. For example Florida, which doesn't even have basements due to the high water table.

 

But how do you get to the subway? That's why I see underground dwellings, in fact underground cities as becoming important. Montreal, for example, already has large underground shopping facilities connected to it's subways. Again, this isn't possible everywhere.

 

So to conclude:

1. Nothing big is being done yet to reverse climate change.

2. So it will continue to worsen.

3. It's already disordered through the increase in energy.

4. What that will mean, way before sea level rise affects global areas, is a prevalence of high winds during dangerous storms.

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3 hours ago, laripu said:

1. Nothing big is being done yet to reverse climate change.

 

True.  Virtually nothing is being done yet, on the macro level.  That's why it's so important for the US to get involved.  We are like a sleeping giant.

 

3 hours ago, laripu said:

2. So it will continue to worsen

 

Yes. And the worse it gets, the more massive the effort, and the longer it will take to fix.  Something like AOC's Green New Deal is the answer.  Unfortunately, it has been rejected, out of hand, by the Republican and Democratic establishment.  But that could change very quickly with a new administration and if enough progressives are elected to Congress.

 

3 hours ago, laripu said:

3. It's already disordered through the increase in energy.

 

This can be seen most graphically in coastal areas, especially low-lying ones like Florida, Long Island and Cape Cod, where sea-water flooding has become more common.  Long-time residents cannot help but observe the changes.

 

Inland areas are also affected by more frequent tornadoes and storms.  Since there always were tornadoes and storms, individuals may not detect the difference, with their own eyes.  The increase would only appear in data, keeping track of frequency and severity of storms.

 

3 hours ago, laripu said:

4. What that will mean, way before sea level rise affects global areas, is a prevalence of high winds during dangerous storms.

 

3 hours ago, laripu said:

Concrete roofs are a solution already in use by affluent people in Puerto Rico, and those roofs survived recent hurricanes that destroyed lesser structures. (I heard of them from PR colleagues whose parents still live in the island. I work with three, all software engineers.) The downside is that after many years they develop leaks. The designs will change to minimize stress effects of temperature variation. 

 

There are many cyclonic construction methods that mitigate hurricane conditions.  But they are, as you point out, only for the affluent.  And they do nothing to slow global warming.  Or eventually reverse it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane-proof_building

 

3 hours ago, laripu said:

The solutions you mentioned are interesting and valuable, and something like that must be done; but they will take a long time to implement, and will have a slow effect. (The bigger the scale of an object, the longer it takes to turn. Consider an aircraft carrier. A world climate is several orders of magnitude bigger than that. I expect that the various solutions will take decades to slow the progress of climate change, then decades more to reverse it. Perhaps a century to get back to what wet had in 1950, after we even start.) In the meantime, the climate continues to increase in energy and disorder.

 

Paralysis in the face of impending disaster is unacceptable.  Denial is madness.  Fortunately, young people, around the globe are feeling the urgency.  And there is a growing ground-swell of support for governmental projects.  The sooner the tipping point is reached where the majority become climate activists, the better.

 

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2 minutes ago, bludog said:

Paralysis in the face of impending disaster is unacceptable.  Denial is madness.  Fortunately, young people, around the globe are feeling the urgency.

 

But here, where the money is that could be used to fund the biggest of the measures, we have many kinds of denial:

  1. Weather that destroys homes of Christians in red states is as a result of the United States allowing same sex marriage.  See: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psych-unseen/201809/hurricanes-homosexuality-and-belief-in-the-hand-god
  2. Fake "science" funded by billionaireswith a stake in denial: https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-warming/climate-deniers/koch-industries/
  3. Generic dumbness:  https://c2es.org/site/assets/uploads/2017/03/misconceptions-realities-climate-science-06-2012.pdf
  4. Biology ignorance.
  5. Political ignorance.

In the past, Washington elites made decisions for everyone and told people what to believe.  These elites may have been somewhat corrupt, or somewhat well-intended, but in the end they muddled through.

 

The big change happened with mass communications. First television, which influenced the course of the Vietnam war. Later came talk radio and the internet.  All of a sudden, people of mediocre  intelligence (roughly 115 IQ to 125 IQ, people like Trump, Limbaugh, Alex Jones, etc etc) can make a good living telling people  of normal intelligence (roughly 85 IQ to 110 IQ) what to believe.  (These numbers are only rough indications... don't get bogged down in them. It's only statistics, and there are  exceptions.)

 

But that group of normal intelligence (roughly 85 IQ to 110 IQ) is about 59% of the population. Elites can't persuade them with subtler arguments, because it takes intelligence to understand subtle arguments. But Limbaugh and Hannity can persuade them with simple and fallacious arguments.

 

This is why I think things are going to get a lot worse before big technological changes are implemented. The above is where the paralysis comes from.

 

Maybe young people feel some urgency.  But I think it's really that smart young people feel some urgency.  Smart people of any age feel the urgency. But that's only about 2% of the population, and not all of them either. In the mean time, many many media outlets from Fox to blogs continue to widely spread (for profit) the lies that the normally dim believe.

 

And the people of mediocre  intelligence are funded by billionaires that profit from climate denial.  (It's probably a good time to invest in concrete and rebar companies.)

 

So if you want climate change to be resisted, slowed and eventually turned back... you have to convince the vast majority of billionaires, who will then fund the next wave of media propaganda to convince the majority of dim people and politicians. The chorus must grow, from the billionaires to the media to the people and then to the politicians.  Not in sequence, but all at once and in harmony.

 

 

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10 hours ago, bludog said:

Welcome back laripu.

 

Thanks!

I'm glad the would-be mass murderer is gone form the LO room.

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