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I have 6 questions for those who believe in the transgender concept and reject it as a mental disorder:

 

  1. If you conceptualize being transgender as being stuck in the wrong body, aren't you implying that you are something other than your body?
  2. If you aren't your body, what are you?
  3. If you answer the previous question with the concept of spirit or soul, where did your spirit or soul come from?
  4. If you answer the previous question with the concept of God, what belief system includes a God who puts spirits in bodies that don't match in gender?
  5. Also, if again you aren't your body, could whatever you are not only not match your gender but also not match your species? For example, can you be an iguana stuck in a human body?
  6. As a follow up to the previous question, if you are something that doesn't match your body, could you be something completely alien that doesn't match any living creature that we know of?

I don't ask these questions to offend. I am really trying to wrap my brain around being "stuck in the wrong body."

 

 

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I have 6 questions for those who believe in the transgender concept and reject it as a mental disorder:

    [*]If you conceptualize being transgender as being stuck in the wrong body, aren't you implying that you are something other than your body?

     

    Exactly

     

     

    [*]If you aren't your body, what are you?

     

    You are the other body

     

     

     

    [*]If you answer the previous question with the concept of spirit or soul, where did your spirit or soul come from?

     

    I didn't, but I will answer God

     

     

    [*]If you answer the previous question with the concept of God, what belief system includes a God who puts spirits in bodies that don't match in gender?

     

    One that doesn't control science

     

     

    [*]Also, if again you aren't your body, could whatever you are not only not match your gender but also not match your species?

     

    No

     

    For example, can you be an iguana stuck in a human body?

     

    No it deals with gender only

     

    [*]As a follow up to the previous question, if you are something that doesn't match your body, could you be something completely alien that doesn't match any living creature that we know of?

     

    No

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Jenner is getting attention and money from all this - and those are the two things he/she craves the most.

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I have 6 questions for those who believe in the transgender concept and reject it as a mental disorder:

 

 

  • If you conceptualize being transgender as being stuck in the wrong body, aren't you implying that you are something other than your body?
  • If you aren't your body, what are you?
  • If you answer the previous question with the concept of spirit or soul, where did your spirit or soul come from?
  • If you answer the previous question with the concept of God, what belief system includes a God who puts spirits in bodies that don't match in gender?
  • Also, if again you aren't your body, could whatever you are not only not match your gender but also not match your species? For example, can you be an iguana stuck in a human body?
  • As a follow up to the previous question, if you are something that doesn't match your body, could you be something completely alien that doesn't match any living creature that we know of?
I don't ask these questions to offend. I am really trying to wrap my brain around being "stuck in the wrong body."

your lookin into it arnt ya?

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Jenner is getting attention and money from all this - and those are the two things he/she craves the most.

Given that the percentage of the US population lies somewhere less than 1 percent declaring themselves transgender I find the attention given Caitln Jenner to fall mostly along party lines;

 

Those that seek to demean traditional values under the heading of "Diversity" and those that patiently sit by while the Circus parades through town allowing the performers to believe that they control something important.

 

What do you think would have happened if Caitln Jenner had come out looking like a Molly Shannon character?

 

Yah ,you see might point. We all have our disappointments It appears Jenner's was not ever being cast in a Victoria secrets commercial

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I have 6 questions for those who believe in the transgender concept and reject it as a mental disorder:

 

If you conceptualize being transgender as being stuck in the wrong body, aren't you implying that you are something other than your body?

Yes.

 

If you aren't your body, what are you?

We are energy spirits inside of a physical body like a person gets into a car.

 

If you answer the previous question with the concept of spirit or soul, where did your spirit or soul come from?

We have always existed and we will always exist as energy.

Energy can be neither created nor destroyed, only changed.

Energy and matter are the same thing just like ice, water, and steam are all the

same thing.

 

If you answer the previous question with the concept of God, what belief system includes a God who puts spirits in bodies that don't match in gender?

God did not put our spirit energy into a body. We chose to be born the way we were and

into the life circumstances.

 

Also, if again you aren't your body, could whatever you are not only not match your gender but also not match your species? For example, can you be an iguana stuck in a human body?

No, it does not work that way. Going back to the idea of a human getting into a car,

elephants can not get into a car and drive it. Elephants can only get into the physical

embodiment of their energy.

 

As a follow up to the previous question, if you are something that doesn't match your body, could you be something completely alien that doesn't match any living creature that we know of?

Possibly. I guess new species can be created that way like a horse and donkey making a

mule.

 

I don't ask these questions to offend. I am really trying to wrap my brain around being "stuck in the wrong body."

That is why a spirit which is essentially a female energy getting into a male body (or

vice versa) feels like they are stuck in the wrong body. Others feel like they are

stuck in the wrong family like some rich guy choosing to be born into a poor family

(or vice versa) feels out of synch.

 

 

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I have 6 questions for those who believe in the transgender concept and reject it as a mental disorder:

 

  1. If you conceptualize being transgender as being stuck in the wrong body, aren't you implying that you are something other than your body?
  2. If you aren't your body, what are you?
  3. If you answer the previous question with the concept of spirit or soul, where did your spirit or soul come from?
  4. If you answer the previous question with the concept of God, what belief system includes a God who puts spirits in bodies that don't match in gender?
  5. Also, if again you aren't your body, could whatever you are not only not match your gender but also not match your species? For example, can you be an iguana stuck in a human body?
  6. As a follow up to the previous question, if you are something that doesn't match your body, could you be something completely alien that doesn't match any living creature that we know of?

I don't ask these questions to offend. I am really trying to wrap my brain around being "stuck in the wrong body."

 

 

 

"Stuck in the wrong body" isn't, how should I put this? The critical argument.

 

Now I'm not going to answer all those questions directly, as most of them don't apply (I do not believe in a god).

 

I used to be in the 'wrong body' camp but hormone therapy changed all that along with a whole other mess of psychological problems. It's funny, a shot in the leg makes me feel better than I have in the entirety of the rest of my life. It's quite interesting but I digress, Now I'm not going to speak for all transgender folks as I don't know their individual experiences so I'll just speak for myself and my experiences.

 

Now I'm not going to lie the science behind all of this is hit or miss. For some it works, for others it doesn't, thankfully we have standards of care for transsexuals. It's called WPATH if you are interested. In there are procedures and guidelines for professionals that know more about this than I do and most of the dipshits on this board. However, some transsexuals can ease their gender dysmorphia via cross-dressing, doing drag, or just simply therapy with a licensed therapist. And good for them, they found something that works for them. However this is not a one-size-fits-all problem. I tried therapy and psychotherapy and all it did accomplish was slap a band-aid on a increasingly festering wound. I ended up on every kind of anti-depressant you could think of, I went through just about every common mental illness you can imagine; anorexia, bulimia, self-mutilation, genital mutilation, suicidal, depression, anxiety, alcoholism, violent depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, and so on. It didn't matter how many shrinks I went to the problem got worse and worse. It just wasn't working. I got to the point where I said fuck it and went to a gender specialist and things started to get better.

 

I took my first estrogen shot on the 1st of January this year, and literally every single one of those mental illnesses went away in the matter of a month to a month in a half. Transitional Medicine works for me, but that doesn't mean it works for all. Last march I went to another psychiatrist and he had taken me off my a last anti-depressant as there was no need for it (in truth I quit taking it in mid-February). It's proven medicine that works for millions of people who suffer greatly with gender dysmorphia across the planet. A fact so many nay-sayers of transitional medicine like to ignore.

 

Now there was a doctor who believed gender was a taught behavior, that you could simply 'teach' someone to be a specific gender. In a backhanded way he ended up proving transsexualism. In the case there was a baby boy who through horror of circumcision had his penis irreversibly damaged. So they turned the baby boy into a girl and his parents raised him as a girl, gave him appropriate hormones as he aged, the whole shabang. However something went wrong with all their scheming, He knew innately he was a boy. When the truth was finally told to him he went into a rage. Sadly the rage ended up consuming his life through suicide. A tragedy.

 

However, in this case it does appear gender is an innate construct within our monkey brains. If this is true universally than transsexualism is a thing.

 

There are fully functioning women that if you took their DNA and peeked at it you'd be shocked to find 46, XY. That's right genetically male but physically female. It is also possible that a fully functioning male can be born 46, XX that is not a single "Y" chromosome. Now I've established that's possible then essentially concerning gender construct is possible. Is it possible the frame work of female can be born in a male body? Scientifically speaking. . .we don't know. But we do know that a female gender construct and even entire female reproductive system can be made out of XY.

 

In other words there's a lot of scientific data concerning the issue but we've not figured it out. Which is why Gender Dysmorphia was removed as a mental illness from the DSM.

 

 

  1. Also, if again you aren't your body, could whatever you are not only not match your gender but also not match your species? For example, can you be an iguana stuck in a human body?
  2. As a follow up to the previous question, if you are something that doesn't match your body, could you be something completely alien that doesn't match any living creature that we know of?

 

Is there scientific precedence for it? No? Is there genetic precedence for it? No? Then quit trying to set up slippery slopes.

 

Gender and gender constructs are not a well understood thing by people who are actually doing the science much less loudmouths on an internet board.

 

The best answer to the question is "I don't know" rather than 'yes' or 'no'. In the mean time why don't you let science handle what's best in individual cases guided by medical ethics and procedures huh? How about we don't decry medicine that works for millions of people and has probably saved millions of lives. They don't count non-suicide statistics after all.

 

-NW

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It means your US Doctor and evolutionary commune group leaders are not perfect eugenics perfection and have various serious flaws such as alcoholism, drug addiction and other problems.

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"Stuck in the wrong body" isn't, how should I put this? The critical argument.

 

Now I'm not going to answer all those questions directly, as most of them don't apply (I do not believe in a god).

 

I used to be in the 'wrong body' camp but hormone therapy changed all that along with a whole other mess of psychological problems. It's funny, a shot in the leg makes me feel better than I have in the entirety of the rest of my life. It's quite interesting but I digress, Now I'm not going to speak for all transgender folks as I don't know their individual experiences so I'll just speak for myself and my experiences.

 

Now I'm not going to lie the science behind all of this is hit or miss. For some it works, for others it doesn't, thankfully we have standards of care for transsexuals. It's called WPATH if you are interested. In there are procedures and guidelines for professionals that know more about this than I do and most of the dipshits on this board. However, some transsexuals can ease their gender dysmorphia via cross-dressing, doing drag, or just simply therapy with a licensed therapist. And good for them, they found something that works for them. However this is not a one-size-fits-all problem. I tried therapy and psychotherapy and all it did accomplish was slap a band-aid on a increasingly festering wound. I ended up on every kind of anti-depressant you could think of, I went through just about every common mental illness you can imagine; anorexia, bulimia, self-mutilation, genital mutilation, suicidal, depression, anxiety, alcoholism, violent depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, and so on. It didn't matter how many shrinks I went to the problem got worse and worse. It just wasn't working. I got to the point where I said fuck it and went to a gender specialist and things started to get better.

 

I took my first estrogen shot on the 1st of January this year, and literally every single one of those mental illnesses went away in the matter of a month to a month in a half. Transitional Medicine works for me, but that doesn't mean it works for all. Last march I went to another psychiatrist and he had taken me off my a last anti-depressant as there was no need for it (in truth I quit taking it in mid-February). It's proven medicine that works for millions of people who suffer greatly with gender dysmorphia across the planet. A fact so many nay-sayers of transitional medicine like to ignore.

 

Now there was a doctor who believed gender was a taught behavior, that you could simply 'teach' someone to be a specific gender. In a backhanded way he ended up proving transsexualism. In the case there was a baby boy who through horror of circumcision had his penis irreversibly damaged. So they turned the baby boy into a girl and his parents raised him as a girl, gave him appropriate hormones as he aged, the whole shabang. However something went wrong with all their scheming, He knew innately he was a boy. When the truth was finally told to him he went into a rage. Sadly the rage ended up consuming his life through suicide. A tragedy.

 

However, in this case it does appear gender is an innate construct within our monkey brains. If this is true universally than transsexualism is a thing.

 

There are fully functioning women that if you took their DNA and peeked at it you'd be shocked to find 46, XY. That's right genetically male but physically female. It is also possible that a fully functioning male can be born 46, XX that is not a single "Y" chromosome. Now I've established that's possible then essentially concerning gender construct is possible. Is it possible the frame work of female can be born in a male body? Scientifically speaking. . .we don't know. But we do know that a female gender construct and even entire female reproductive system can be made out of XY.

 

In other words there's a lot of scientific data concerning the issue but we've not figured it out. Which is why Gender Dysmorphia was removed as a mental illness from the DSM.

 

 

Is there scientific precedence for it? No? Is there genetic precedence for it? No? Then quit trying to set up slippery slopes.

 

Gender and gender constructs are not a well understood thing by people who are actually doing the science much less loudmouths on an internet board.

 

The best answer to the question is "I don't know" rather than 'yes' or 'no'. In the mean time why don't you let science handle what's best in individual cases guided by medical ethics and procedures huh? How about we don't decry medicine that works for millions of people and has probably saved millions of lives. They don't count non-suicide statistics after all.

 

-NW

 

 

 

dang ....

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I have 6 questions for those who believe in the transgender concept and reject it as a mental disorder:

 

  1. If you conceptualize being transgender as being stuck in the wrong body, aren't you implying that you are something other than your body?
  2. If you aren't your body, what are you?
  3. If you answer the previous question with the concept of spirit or soul, where did your spirit or soul come from?
  4. If you answer the previous question with the concept of God, what belief system includes a God who puts spirits in bodies that don't match in gender?
  5. Also, if again you aren't your body, could whatever you are not only not match your gender but also not match your species? For example, can you be an iguana stuck in a human body?
  6. As a follow up to the previous question, if you are something that doesn't match your body, could you be something completely alien that doesn't match any living creature that we know of?

I don't ask these questions to offend. I am really trying to wrap my brain around being "stuck in the wrong body."

 

 

It's hard to get attention in today's world...so one must do what it takes.

 

 

None-issues are what the progressives sell to control the reaction of people who have nothing better to do or think.

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Yeah it's not so cut and dry.

 

-NW

 

 

I can appreciate that. The OP insists on premises that I can't accept.

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I can appreciate that. The OP insists on premises that I can't accept.

It's because it drips with logical fallacies. It's a good thing you can't accept them.

 

-NW

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I have 6 questions for those who believe in the transgender concept and reject it as a mental disorder:

 

  1. If you conceptualize being transgender as being stuck in the wrong body, aren't you implying that you are something other than your body?
  2. If you aren't your body, what are you?
  3. If you answer the previous question with the concept of spirit or soul, where did your spirit or soul come from?
  4. If you answer the previous question with the concept of God, what belief system includes a God who puts spirits in bodies that don't match in gender?
  5. Also, if again you aren't your body, could whatever you are not only not match your gender but also not match your species? For example, can you be an iguana stuck in a human body?
  6. As a follow up to the previous question, if you are something that doesn't match your body, could you be something completely alien that doesn't match any living creature that we know of?

I don't ask these questions to offend. I am really trying to wrap my brain around being "stuck in the wrong body."

 

 

 

 

I suggest that you let go of your false premises if you want to engage thoughtful people with reasonable replies.

 

"reject it as a mental disorder" ... you are not qualified to make such an assumption.

 

"concept of spirit or soul", is irrelevant and nothing more than a cheap trick to make this a religious argument, which it is not.

 

"God", ditto above. God didn't assign you the job of fleshing out atheists.

 

"I don't ask these questions to offend" ... bullshit. Your intention from the very start is to offend those that don't accept your false premises.

 

 

 

F minus - FAIL - Go to the back of the class.

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I have 6 questions for those who believe in the transgender concept and reject it as a mental disorder:

 

  1. If you conceptualize being transgender as being stuck in the wrong body, aren't you implying that you are something other than your body?
  2. If you aren't your body, what are you?
  3. If you answer the previous question with the concept of spirit or soul, where did your spirit or soul come from?
  4. If you answer the previous question with the concept of God, what belief system includes a God who puts spirits in bodies that don't match in gender?
  5. Also, if again you aren't your body, could whatever you are not only not match your gender but also not match your species? For example, can you be an iguana stuck in a human body?
  6. As a follow up to the previous question, if you are something that doesn't match your body, could you be something completely alien that doesn't match any living creature that we know of?

I don't ask these questions to offend. I am really trying to wrap my brain around being "stuck in the wrong body."

 

 

 

Its an interesting series of questions, aside from the fact that you are using a pejorative calling it a mental disorder which means you can't be that open minded.

 

You're making an illogical jump between 3. and 4. There are many traditions of soul/mind/logos... that don't include a concept of god/God, so 4 doesn't necessarily follow from 3.

 

5. and 6. are theoretically possible if you cleave away the fact that we have chromosomes specifying xx female, xy male. Iguana and alien are naturally impossible in our chromosomes.

 

Good luck on your term paper. Remember to reference this, if you're using it. :)

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I suggest that you let go of your false premises if you want to engage thoughtful people with reasonable replies.

"reject it as a mental disorder" ... you are not qualified to make such an assumption.

"concept of spirit or soul", is irrelevant and nothing more than a cheap trick to make this a religious argument, which it is not.

"God", ditto above. God didn't assign you the job of fleshing out atheists.

"I don't ask these questions to offend" ... bullshit. Your intention from the very start is to offend those that don't accept your false premises.

F minus - FAIL - Go to the back of the class.

Owned.

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