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in the 19th Century...

 

whites: made up 85% of the population. owned 99% of the wealth. owned 99% of the resource. owned 99% of the media. made up 99% of the government. owned black people, their families, and their labour. thought blacks were dirty, dumb, and immoral.

 

blacks: made up 10% of the population. not allowed to own land. not allowed to open a bank account. not allowed to accumulate wealth. no rights to their own children (if slaves). owned by whites.

 

1867 - slavery ended. discrimination towards blacks began (white only hospitals, schools, restaurants, stores, hotels, places of business, neighbourhoods, transit, etc, etc, etc...)

1965 - (almost 100 years of brutal discrimination) finally became illegal to discriminate based on skin colour.

 

2015 - blacks by percentage - the majority of high school drop outs. the least educated. make up the majority of the poor. majority of the unemployed. majority of crime. majority of incarcerated. the most hated "skin color" in America (they're so damn obviously black).

 

what's wrong with black Americans? white people.

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Thanks. I was a Mass. liberal 50 years ago. Then i got a buck in my pocket. That was the end of liberalism for me. Libs wanted to take my little hoard of filthy Lucre.

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Thanks. I was a Mass. liberal 50 years ago. Then i got a buck in my pocket. That was the end of liberalism for me. Libs wanted to take my little hoard of filthy Lucre.

Your honor is unmatched here

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But you gladly accept datastrains obviously racist against whites statement...

i guess it is... but i've clearly presented some damning facts to suggest white people kept black Americans down.... ummm.. something called slavery... remember? unless you're suggesting slavery didn't exist, or segregation didn't exist...

 

you really don't have much of a case....

 

but i guess you're right. not ALL white people did those things. (i know there were a few in Canada that didn't... and some others maybe. maybe you can share some links of white folk helping black folk???)

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Liberals are what is wrong. They are the modern enslavers.

Oh come now John how ludicrous that is. LMAO!!

Glad you figured it all out John

hhm, he isn't to bright agreeing with you :D

But you gladly accept datastrains obviously racist against whites statement...

what?

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what's wrong with black Americans? white people.

 

There is nothing inherently wrong with them. Their biggest problem is their beliefs in the lies of Leftism, lies that enslave them.

 

But don't take it from the white guy. Ask Ben Carson, Allen West, Colin Powell, and entire legions of upright Conservative blacks who live with dignity, personal responsibility, and self-reliance what is wrong with black culture in America today. I'll lay odds their answers will be quite the same.

 

Liberalism is evil. Liberalism is a poison on everything that is good in the world. The pic in post #1 says it all.

 

It was the Conservative Republicans who freed the slaves in America. It was the Republicans who voted unanimously for Civil Rights. it was the Democrats who supported the KKK for over a hundred years. But Democrats always conveniently forget that fact, like good little fucking commies.

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There is nothing inherently wrong with them. Their biggest problem is their beliefs in the lies of Leftism, lies that enslave them.

 

But don't take it from the white guy. Ask Ben Carson, Allen West, Colin Powell, and entire legions of upright Conservative blacks who live with dignity, personal responsibility, and self-reliance what is wrong with black culture in America today. I'll lay odds their answers will be quite the same.

 

Liberalism is evil. Liberalism is a poison on everything that is good in the world. The pic in post #1 says it all.

except for one thing : http://www.liberalforum.org/index.php?/topic/175773-slavery-in-america/?p=1059130684

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My family were practically slaves too. They were called sharecroppers. My sister was the first un my family to go to college.

 

Do I bitch and whine and blame others?

 

No, I do what I have to do and deal with what I have to deal with. Its called life. Grow up.

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My family were practically slaves too. They were called sharecroppers. My sister was the first un my family to go to college.

 

Do I bitch and whine and blame others?

 

No, I do what I have to do and deal with what I have to deal with. Its called life. Grow up.

so do black Americans.

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so do black Americans.

 

Top dude in country is black... or at least a halfrican.

 

Can you spell out for us when [African-American slur]s, negros, coloreds, blacks, African Americans, people of color have "arrived", so we can all know when we get there. Gotta know when Ameritopia is finally upon us and the bitching can stop!

 

Please make it kind of like how you write engineering requirements.

Use the SMART way (specific, measurable, achievable, realistic, testable).

 

You're up.

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in the 19th Century...

 

whites: made up 85% of the population. owned 99% of the wealth. owned 99% of the resource. owned 99% of the media. made up 99% of the government. owned black people, their families, and their labour. thought blacks were dirty, dumb, and immoral.

 

blacks: made up 10% of the population. not allowed to own land. not allowed to open a bank account. not allowed to accumulate wealth. no rights to their own children (if slaves). owned by whites.

 

 

<Sigh> Slavery was a bad thing. Agreed. Slavery during those times was also world-wide.

Hell, slavery was still performed in the first half of the 20th century.

Slavery was still common in Africa and in parts of South East Asia. Germany enslaved millions of Jews to slave labor. Communist Russia enslaved over 14 million to slave labor in gulags across the country during this period. In fact, America was one this earlier countries to do something about it.

During America's slave period, there were almost as many black slave owners as there were white in the south.

 

Bad shit happened. There was no excuse for it. And no one was blameless. No one. Not whites, not blacks. Not Conservatives, and most certainly not whiney little puke liberals.

 

1867 - slavery ended. discrimination towards blacks began (white only hospitals, schools, restaurants, stores, hotels, places of business, neighbourhoods, transit, etc, etc, etc...)

1965 - (almost 100 years of brutal discrimination) finally became illegal to discriminate based on skin colour.

 

Republicans freed the slaves, Democrats wanted to keep slavery. Fortunately in this case, Democrats are pussies when it comes to fighting wars.

Republicans overwhelmed Democrats 80% to 63% when it came to voting for the Civil Rights Act of '64.

But again, Democrats always want to forget the small details...

 

2015 - blacks by percentage - the majority of high school drop outs. the least educated. make up the majority of the poor. majority of the unemployed. majority of crime. majority of incarcerated. the most hated "skin color" in America (they're so damn obviously black).

 

 

Because they lack good education. Because they lack good family environments. Because they live in horrid urban environments. All environments that are leftist strongholds.

You and your backwards philosophy are the problem. Under liberalism, blacks are told over and over that they are victims. And when Conservatives try to tell them what they are really worth and are capable of, the statists once again tell them different.

Why do you hate blacks? Why do leftists lie to them? Why do they try to keep them down and dependent on the state?

And for that matter, why do you hate America? Why?

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So, they aren't special then...point made.

i agree.

 

Top dude in country is black... or at least a halfrican.

 

Can you spell out for us when [African-American slur]s, negros, coloreds, blacks, African Americans, people of color have "arrived", so we can all know when we get there. Gotta know when Ameritopia is finally upon us and the bitching can stop!

 

Please make it kind of like how you write engineering requirements.

Use the SMART way (specific, measurable, achievable, realistic, testable).

 

You're up.

i don't know what your question is.

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<Sigh> Slavery was a bad thing. Agreed. Slavery during those times was also world-wide.

Hell, slavery was still performed in the first half of the 20th century.

Slavery was still common in Africa and in parts of South East Asia. Germany enslaved millions of Jews to slave labor. Communist Russia enslaved over 14 million to slave labor in gulags across the country during this period. In fact, America was one this earlier countries to do something about it.

it almost sounds like you saying because it was happening all over, it was a good thing...

 

 

During America's slave period, there were almost as many black slave owners as there were white in the south.

not true. links?

 

Bad shit happened. There was no excuse for it. And no one was blameless. No one. Not whites, not blacks. Not Conservatives, and most certainly not whiney little puke liberals.

wrong. slave owners were to blame. it's a special kind of vile that allows a human being to kidnap people from their village, stick them in a box, bring them to america, chain and slave them, take away their children, and force them to work. not that many human beings are capable of doing that.

 

the victims of kidnapping, enslavement, torture were NOT to blame. they were innocent.

 

Republicans freed the slaves, Democrats wanted to keep slavery. Fortunately in this case, Democrats are pussies when it comes to fighting wars.

agree.

 

Republicans overwhelmed Democrats 80% to 63% when it came to voting for the Civil Rights Act of '64.

agree

 

But again, Democrats always want to forget the small details...

agree (and so do republicans)

 

 

 

2015 - blacks by percentage - the majority of high school drop outs. the least educated. make up the majority of the poor. majority of the unemployed. majority of crime. majority of incarcerated. the most hated "skin color" in America (they're so damn obviously black).

 

Because they lack good education

agreed.

 

Because they lack good family environments.

agreed.

 

Because they live in horrid urban environments.

agreed.

 

All environments that are leftist strongholds.

example of a leftist strong hold please?

 

You and your backwards philosophy are the problem.

what philosophy is that?

 

Under liberalism, blacks are told over and over that they are victims.

i disagree. let's see some links to prove this claim.

if anything they have been told, over and over, they are less than human, they are immoral, they don't have the right for freedom, the don't have the right to property, they don't have the right to eat in the same restaurants as whites...

there is a reason why decent human beings don't raise their kids by telling them on a daily basis "you are less than human". it is abusive and directly leads to low self-esteem, high drop out rates, alcholol and drug abuse, etc, etc, etc...

 

 

And when Conservatives try to tell them what they are really worth and are capable of, the statists once again tell them different.

almost 99% of black Americans don't vote conservative. conservatives are NOT giving black Americans words of encouragement.

 

 

Why do you hate blacks? i don't.

Why do leftists lie to them? i don't. what leftists?

Why do they try to keep them down and dependent on the state? i don't.

And for that matter, why do you hate America? i don't.

Why? i just said i don't...

 

OMG...

Can you spell out for us when people of color have "arrived"?

 

what the fuck does this mean? lol

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There is nothing inherently wrong with them. Their biggest problem is their beliefs in the lies of Leftism, lies that enslave them.

Here's another joker!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!

My family were practically slaves too. They were called sharecroppers. My sister was the first un my family to go to college.

 

Do I bitch and whine and blame others?

 

No, I do what I have to do and deal with what I have to deal with. Its called life. Grow up.

But you do bitch and whine and blame others all the time here.

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Here's another joker!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!

agree. i don't understand his sentences or his points. "slavery was ok because democrats were for it!"... what?

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it almost sounds like you saying because it was happening all over, it was a good thing...

 

Absolutely not. I was simply pointing out that America was hardly the only country at the time to legalize slavery. Slavery had been around for hundreds, nay thousands of years in Europe, the Middle East, Africa and other areas of the world.

Leftists always want to drag out America's dirty laundry, while ignoring the rest of the worlds same issues. America fixed the problem long ago. My point is, I didn't enslave the blacks. No one alive today enslaved the blacks in this country. And no black alive today has ever been a slave.

 

On the other hand, it is believed (but unfortunately the records are incomplete) that I had relatives of mine were Jews who worked and died in concentration camps. So I guess this gives me the right to lord that over the Germans the rest of my life, right?

 

No. It means I can choose to get the fuck over it.

 

not true. links?

 

 

 

Plenty

 

http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

http://www.kon.org/urc/v4/tikhomirova.html

http://newobserveronline.com/hidden-facts-about-slavery-in-america/

 

I've got plenty more if you aren't convinced.

 

wrong. slave owners were to blame. it's a special kind of vile that allows a human being to kidnap people from their village, stick them in a box, bring them to america, chain and slave them, take away their children, and force them to work. not that many human beings are capable of doing that.

the victims of kidnapping, enslavement, torture were NOT to blame. they were innocent.

 

 

 

You aren't the brightest bulb on the chandelier, are you? You must have patient parents...

 

When I said no one, I meant that no particular person of color, creed or philosophy was held blameless. I certainly wasn't trying to blame the slaves, you guilt-tripping dimwit. The fact is, a whole lot of human beings were capable of that, well before the biblical days up until the 20th century.

Read up on your history here, sunshine. America was hardly blameless, but they were far, far from the worst. Look up the back history of the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, etc. All of those had far worse. Yes, precious blameless liberal Europe has a far worse track record when it comes to slavery than America. But that just doesn't do your leftist agenda any good now, does it?

 

And I notice you forgot to respond to the rest of my post. Why is that?

agree. i don't understand his sentences or his points. "slavery was ok because democrats were for it!"... what?

 

Another slow leftist dimwit product of our leftist education system. Why do I bother?

 

I was clearly pointing out the fact that it is awful ironic that Republicans are always blamed for slavery (and they did their fair share for a time), however they conveniently forget that the democrats have a far worse history when it comes to the slavery. That you and your ilk reek of hypocrisy.

 

Read it again slowly.

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datastrain, on 07 May 2015 - 10:26 PM, said:snapback.png

it almost sounds like you saying because it was happening all over, it was a good thing...

 

Absolutely not.

well then leave all that shit out. nobody is saying otherwise.

 

I was simply pointing out that America was hardly the only country at the time to legalize slavery.

(play that violin...)

 

Slavery had been around for hundreds, nay thousands of years in Europe, the Middle East, Africa and other areas of the world.

Leftists always want to drag out America's dirty laundry, while ignoring the rest of the worlds same issues. America fixed the problem long ago. My point is, I didn't enslave the blacks. No one alive today enslaved the blacks in this country. And no black alive today has ever been a slave.

(hopefully you're done...)

 

 

On the other hand, it is believed (but unfortunately the records are incomplete) that I had relatives of mine were Jews who worked and died in concentration camps. So I guess this gives me the right to lord that over the Germans the rest of my life, right?

the Germans were held accountable; they had to pay an exorbitant amount of money, and some were killed because of it.

 

No. It means I can choose to get the fuck over it.

so do black Americans.

 

 

 

 

 

Plenty

i see what you are saying. "there were as many black slave owners than white slave owners, in the south". my bad. i agree.

however,

many black slave owners simply bought family members to free them from slavery.

also, blacks existed in a white world. they were playing by white rules. it's the white ruling class in America that decided to adopt black slavery. and in a time when many other countries outlawed slavery. case in point : blacks never had any white slaves.

 

 

You aren't the brightest bulb on the chandelier, are you? You must have patient parents...

keep it clean, please. it's an important topic.

 

When I said no one, I meant that no particular person of color, creed or philosophy was held blameless.

i understand now.

 

I certainly wasn't trying to blame the slaves, you guilt-tripping dimwit.

sigh

 

The fact is, a whole lot of human beings were capable of that, well before the biblical days up until the 20th century.

the point is, whites ruled the country; whites made the laws; whites allowed the enslavment of blacks. (blacks did not have white slaves.)

 

Read up on your history here, sunshine.

i did and i do. (but sunshine sounds so much better than asshole...)

 

America was hardly blameless

EXACTLY!

 

, but they were far, far from the worst.

irrelevant. the point is, it happened. it's history. it's fact. it really did happen. and it really did affect black American culture.

American culture was enormously affected by many things. WWII had a huge impact. millions of people came back from WWII with PTSD. it had an ENORMOUS IMPACT on American culture. we don't tell vets to "fuck off and deal with it you big baby". imagine the event didn't last for 5 years, but for 300 years...

 

it has an impact on black American culture.

 

 

Look up the back history of the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, etc. All of those had far worse. Yes, precious blameless liberal Europe has a far worse track record when it comes to slavery than America. But that just doesn't do your leftist agenda any good now, does it?

i don't have a leftist agenda. i'm not partisan. i pretty much hate most politicians. i like Ron Paul.

 

 

And I notice you forgot to respond to the rest of my post. Why is that?

i did not.

 

Another slow leftist dimwit product of our leftist education system. Why do I bother?

 

I was clearly pointing out the fact that it is awful ironic that Republicans are always blamed for slavery (and they did their fair share for a time), however they conveniently forget that the democrats have a far worse history when it comes to the slavery. That you and your ilk reek of hypocrisy.

 

Read it again slowly.

ok...

 

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i never said otherwise. it's irrelevant.

 

 

Just because it isn't relevant to your agenda does not make it irrelevant to the discussion.

 

the Germans were held accountable; they had to pay an exorbitant amount of money, and some were killed because of it.

 

 

 

And so was the South, for far longer than Germany was.

 

so do black Americans.

 

 

 

Hardly. A good portion of them have been raised to be victims their whole life by leftist ideologies.

 

i see what you are saying. "there were as many black slave owners than white slave owners, in the south". my bad. i agree.

however,

many black slave owners simply bought family members to free them from slavery.

 

 

 

And a great many of them did not. I am trying to remember a particular black slaveholder from I believe NC, who was known as one of the worst slaveholder of any color. But his name escapes me.

Point is, the same can be said for a fair amount of white slave holders.

Regardless, bad was bad.

 

also, blacks existed in a white world. they were playing by white rules. it's the white ruling class in America that decided to adopt black slavery. and in a time when many other countries outlawed slavery. case in point : blacks never had any white slaves

 

 

You do make a point here. However, whites were taken as slaves in other countries, for far longer than 300 years. Again, go all the way back to biblical history with the Romans Egyptians, Chinese (I believe), and so forth. Also, there was white indentured slavery in America during the same times as black slavery. Look it up. They lived in the same conditions are black slaves, and often worked side by side with black slaves. I am unsure of whether or not black slaveholders had these slaves or not, so I won't make that argument at this time.

 

But ignore that for a bit. Lets go with your argument: whites held black slaves, not the reverse. This occurred generations ago. Again, no one alive today was a slave. No one alive today is a slave owner.

 

What are blacks today wanting from us? What? Equal opportunity? They have it. They have it in droves. It is possible right now for someone of color, with similar or less experience, to get a job over me due to affirmative action alone.

 

What will make them happy? What will make them cease feeling like victims?

 

You tell me.

 

irrelevant. the point is, it happened. it's history. it's fact. it really did happen. and it really did affect black American culture.

American culture was enormously affected by many things. WWII had a huge impact. millions of people came back from WWII with PTSD. it had an ENORMOUS IMPACT on American culture. we don't tell vets to "fuck off and deal with it you big baby". imagine the event didn't last for 5 years, but for 300 years...

it has an impact on black American culture.

 

 

Once again, it is hardly irrelevant. Leftists have put America on trial for being this absolutely horrible place to live, with an absolutely horrible history in comparison to the rest of the world. So it is hardly irrelevant, sir. Leftists have made it relevant for years. You don't get to suddenly make it irrelevant when it suits you.

 

Whites went to war against each other in this countries most bloody and costly war (within it's borders). That also cost us a toll which is still present today. They did it to free the blacks. It almost tore this country apart. Lincoln was assassinated because of it.

 

So soon that is forgotten...

It is perfectly relevant.

 

But again I ask: What does it take to allow the black community to get past this history, and work on focusing on their future?

 

Your probably wondering if I am "soul searching" about my ancestors actions many generations ago. I've heard this from various black commentators recently concerning Baltimore.

My answer? I sleep like a baby. I have worked with black all my life. And I treat them as they treat me. If they treat me with respect, I return double that.

If they treat me with disdain for no reason other than I am white, then I pity their pathetic lives double. I owe them nothing.

 

I, and a great many others look at them the same way. White or black, if you conduct yourself honorably and with self respect, you will be treated as such in return.

White or black, if you act like a dimwit, people will never take you seriously. That's just the way it is. We own no one nothing. We are all one in this country. But the leftists do everything in their power to tell the blacks differently. We owe them, and we always will. And they will never forget it.

 

Sorry, but that just won't cut it. But I think you can understand my obvious disdain for statists in this, and many instances.

 

 

i don't have a leftist agenda. i'm not partisan. i pretty much hate most politicians. i like Ron Paul.

 

 

None of these determines whether someone is a leftist or not. But I will reverse my comment regardless. My assumption, my mistake.

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