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Who is ... "justmakesense"?

I am a white, conservative, pastor, male, raised in an all white small town in California as a non-Christian.

I should, by these pre-existing factors be far from a free thinker. But if there is one thing I've learned from studying the Bible and comparing it to those who profess to be Christians, it is that many who call thenselves Christians misinterpret the scriptures in the light of their own prejudices.

For those who study the Bible as a blank slate to be transformed into the likeness of Jesus, great people emerge. But when people take their own prejudices and interpret the Bible through that filter, hypocrates emerge. If a Bible student is honest and studying the Bible free from predetermined thinking or predetermined indoctrination, they will see an absolute fair and equitable teaching.

A true "Freethinker" can be from any background and any belief and any nationality, and if diligent to put self interests aside and appreciate facts and truths for what they are and before their own opinions, a right and good community can exist. A perfect community can never exist until love for all permeates all leadership and decision making.

 

What is a "Freethinker"?

Full Definition of FREETHINKER

: one who forms his or her own opinions about important subjects (such as religion and politics) instead of accepting what other people say...

I would go one step further and add, : ...what you feel and seems to be best for you"

 

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A genuine freethinking person should be free to think about a subject without the interference of...

- Propiganda

- Fear of loss

- Desire for reward

- Extreme Prejudice

- Influence of Emotion

- Fictitional Facts

- Philosophical ideas

 

A genuine freethinking person should be free to thiink about a subject with historical and contemporary evidences...

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Who is ... "justmakesense"?

 

I am a white, conservative, pastor, male, raised in an all white small town in California as a non-Christian.

 

I should, by these pre-existing factors be far from a free thinker. But if there is one thing I've learned from studying the Bible and comparing it to those who profess to be Christians, it is that many who call thenselves Christians misinterpret the scriptures in the light of their own prejudices.

 

.....For good reason.....

"They wave their Bibles at passersby, screaming their condemnations of homosexuals. They fall on their knees, worshipping at the base of granite monuments to the Ten Commandments while demanding prayer in school. They appeal to God to save America from their political opponents, mostly Democrats. They gather in football stadiums by the thousands to pray for the country’s salvation.

They are God’s frauds, cafeteria Christians who pick and choose which Bible verses they heed with less care than they exercise in selecting side orders for lunch. They are joined by religious rationalizers—fundamentalists who, unable to find Scripture supporting their biases and beliefs, twist phrases and modify translations to prove they are honoring the Bible’s words.

 

This is no longer a matter of personal or private faith. With politicians, social leaders and even some clergy invoking a book they seem to have never read and whose phrases they don’t understand, America is being besieged by Biblical illiteracy. Climate change is said to be impossible because of promises God made to Noah; Mosaic law from the Old Testament directs American government; creationism should be taught in schools; helping Syrians resist chemical weapons attacks is a sign of the end times—all of these arguments have been advanced by modern evangelical politicians and their brethren, yet none of them are supported in the Scriptures as they were originally written.

 

No television preacher has ever read the Bible. Neither has any evangelical politician. Neither has the pope. Neither have I. And neither have you. At best, we’ve all read a bad translationa translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times."

http://www.newsweek.com/2015/01/02/thats-not-what-bible-says-294018.html

 

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The fact that many will through out quotes and comments of others as truth with no evidence for what they want to submit into evidence, is expected and regretfully understood. However, in any trial, evidence for or against any subject matter, must in and of itself be accepted as truth.

My goal here is not to argue my or anyone elses beliefs, but talk about facts we can all agree are facts.

For instance:

- "Do unto others what you want other to do unto you."

- "Change begins in your own heart first."

- "Laws agreed upon, should be enforced."

- "Prosperity for me at the clear and conscious harm to others is wrong."

- "Prosperity for me at the clear and conscious help to others and within the law is right and should never be penalized."

 

I believe that if enough citizens seek the well being of all according to what is good and right, things could get better.

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Just for the record,

 

It is my understanding from the Bible I believe to be true and correct, that it teaches,

- The Church (Body of Christ) is not called to enforce Biblical Commands upon the unbelieving world.

- The commands given to it's followers are directed to it's followers only.

- When the Church tries to enforce commandments God has given for the Church to follow, upon the world while not following those commandments itself, the result will always be the opposite of It's efforts. The Bible clearly and without prejudice teaches that God puts Governments (believing and non-believing) into power and takes the same out of power. "For judgement begins in the house of the Lord."

If believers are obeying what they teach and profess to be God's commands for their own lives, God promises to surround them with a like-minded government.

"If My people, who are called by My Name, will repent from thier wicked ways, call upon Me, I will heal thier land..."

The New Testament portion of the Bible teaches it is the work of the Holy Spirit...

- "to convince the unbelieving world of sin because it does not believe in Jesus,

- of Righteousness because Jesus went back to the Father in Heaven for us to follow one day,

- of Judgement because there really is a judgement awaiting the ruler of this world and all who follow him."

 

By the way, If your reading this and thinking how can this guy be a free thinker making statements like these... then try to realize that my mode of thinking for the Church is pedicated on what the Church deems and accepts as facts.

But when I converse with non-believers, I try desperately try to stick to naturally accepted facts. Things all decent and fair people would agree with... like love, kindness, forgiveness, peace, equality, etc.

 

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Who is ... "justmakesense"?

I am a white, conservative, pastor, male, raised in an all white small town in California as a non-Christian.

I should, by these pre-existing factors be far from a free thinker. But if there is one thing I've learned from studying the Bible and comparing it to those who profess to be Christians, it is that many who call thenselves Christians misinterpret the scriptures in the light of their own prejudices.

For those who study the Bible as a blank slate to be transformed into the likeness of Jesus, great people emerge. But when people take their own prejudices and interpret the Bible through that filter, hypocrates emerge. If a Bible student is honest and studying the Bible free from predetermined thinking or predetermined indoctrination, they will see an absolute fair and equitable teaching.

A true "Freethinker" can be from any background and any belief and any nationality, and if diligent to put self interests aside and appreciate facts and truths for what they are and before their own opinions, a right and good community can exist. A perfect community can never exist until love for all permeates all leadership and decision making.

 

What is a "Freethinker"? Full Definition of FREETHINKER

: one who forms his or her own opinions about important subjects (such as religion and politics) instead of accepting what other people say...

I would go one step further and add, : ...what you feel and seems to be best for you"

 

justmakesense

The idea of freethinking is very tough because of the ability to constantly absorb information. I would add to your view of freethinking by limiting what information you subject yourself to. There is a ballance that can help character or hurt character depending on information absorbed.
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Freethinkers are closed minded people who want people to think they are intelligent and enlightened.

I gave the definition of a "Freethinker" based on the widely accepted definition found in dictionary forums

 

noun
1.
a person who forms opinions on the basis of reason, independent of authority or tradition, especially a person whose religious opinions differ from established belief.
Just because the term has been hijacked and pinned onto the chest of some anti-religion, anti-authority, anti-anyone who doesn't agree with me movement, doesn't change the true definition and meaning.
In fact, this little instance is exactly my point.
Your against those who have hijacked the term and misused it in order to gain some kind of rebellious credibility. I refuse to conceed the phrase to those who would misrepresent it's true definition as well as to those who accept that it now represents some imposed meaning. Why can't our yes be yes and our no be no? Everything else is confusion.
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What is a hedonist?

Hedonism in my understanding is a the act of governing one's self by pleasure to self. If it is pleasurable for me, it must be right.

"And every man did what seemed right in his own eyes." Hedonism is not freethinking, it's selfish ambition for personal satisfaction.

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I gave the definition of a "Freethinker" based on the widely accepted definition found in dictionary forums

 

noun
1.
a person who forms opinions on the basis of reason, independent of authority or tradition, especially a person whose religious opinions differ from established belief.
Just because the term has been hijacked and pinned onto the chest of some anti-religion, anti-authority, anti-anyone who doesn't agree with me movement, doesn't change the true definition and meaning.
In fact, this little instance is exactly my point.
Your against those who have hijacked the term and misused it in order to gain some kind of rebellious credibility. I refuse to conceed the phrase to those who would misrepresent it's true definition as well as to those who accept that it now represents some imposed meaning. Why can't our yes be yes and our no be no? Everything else is confusion.

 

I gave you my opinion of a freethinker. It isn't a definition.

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A genuine freethinking person should be free to think about a subject without the interference of...

- Propiganda

- Fear of loss

- Desire for reward

- Extreme Prejudice

- Influence of Emotion

- Fictitional Facts

- Philosophical ideas

 

A genuine freethinking person should be free to thiink about a subject with historical and contemporary evidences...

At some point one will have to trust other people's facts and opinions as being either true or false, relevant or irrelevant.

 

'Love' and 'loss' are certainly emotions that can either positively or negatively influence our thinking and actions.

 

There are a number of members here who view the Bible as 'propaganda' and 'fictional facts' that would certainly tell you your own 'fear of loss' and 'desire for reward', in other words 'influence of emotion', is what makes you believe in the God of the Bible and keeps you 'extremely prejudice' of those who don't.

 

As far as you being a Pastor, among Christians there is much confusion about whether one is saved by grace, or by following the command/law of going and sinning no more.

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At some point one will have to trust other people's facts and opinions as being either true or false, relevant or irrelevant.

 

'Love' and 'loss' are certainly emotions that can either positively or negatively influence our thinking and actions.

 

There are a number of members here who view the Bible as 'propaganda' and 'fictional facts' that would certainly tell you your own 'fear of loss' and 'desire for reward', in other words 'influence of emotion', is what makes you believe in the God of the Bible and keeps you 'extremely prejudice' of those who don't.

 

As far as you being a Pastor, among Christians there is much confusion about whether one is saved by grace, or by following the command/law of going and sinning no more.

Here is where I'm different.

I don't believe it is the Church's job to tell the world (those who don't believe the Bible as I do) what is right or wrong. They already know what is right and what is wrong. Stealing is wrong, lying is wrong, murder is wrong, etc.

I just want to talk about facts and common sense things that just make sense. Our Government is screwed up (both left and right sides). Greed is not good like many believe. Manipulation of the masses through deceptive messaging in media in order to get or keep your party in power. Mass quantities of money buying into our representatives. The absolute majority of America's population agree with these statements.

The question isn't, are these thing right or wrong. The question needs to be, how do we fix these wrongs.

 

But when someone wants to talk about solutions, the loudest voices are from those who just want to hear themselves pontificate. (hope I spelt that right)

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I gave the definition of a "Freethinker" based on the widely accepted definition found in dictionary forums

 

noun
1.
a person who forms opinions on the basis of reason, independent of authority or tradition, especially a person whose religious opinions differ from established belief.
Just because the term has been hijacked and pinned onto the chest of some anti-religion, anti-authority, anti-anyone who doesn't agree with me movement, doesn't change the true definition and meaning.

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freethinker

Now....if people would start putting a little-more effort into recognizing the difference between Belief & (actual) Knowledge....they might (better) understand the difference between....the way they want things to be & Reality.

 

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I guess Education would make the difference....ACTUAL Education.

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Who is ... "justmakesense"?

I am a white, conservative, pastor, male, raised in an all white small town in California as a non-Christian.

I should, by these pre-existing factors be far from a free thinker. But if there is one thing I've learned from studying the Bible and comparing it to those who profess to be Christians, it is that many who call thenselves Christians misinterpret the scriptures in the light of their own prejudices.

For those who study the Bible as a blank slate to be transformed into the likeness of Jesus, great people emerge. But when people take their own prejudices and interpret the Bible through that filter, hypocrates emerge. If a Bible student is honest and studying the Bible free from predetermined thinking or predetermined indoctrination, they will see an absolute fair and equitable teaching.

A true "Freethinker" can be from any background and any belief and any nationality, and if diligent to put self interests aside and appreciate facts and truths for what they are and before their own opinions, a right and good community can exist. A perfect community can never exist until love for all permeates all leadership and decision making.

 

What is a "Freethinker"?

Full Definition of FREETHINKER

: one who forms his or her own opinions about important subjects (such as religion and politics) instead of accepting what other people say...

I would go one step further and add, : ...what you feel and seems to be best for you"

 

justmakesense

 

I would have to add the that NOT the bible but the words attributed to Jesus.

 

He was one of the world great philosophers.

 

 

the rest of the bible not so much

Here is where I'm different.

I don't believe it is the Church's job to tell the world (those who don't believe the Bible as I do) what is right or wrong. They already know what is right and what is wrong. Stealing is wrong, lying is wrong, murder is wrong, etc.

I just want to talk about facts and common sense things that just make sense. Our Government is screwed up (both left and right sides). Greed is not good like many believe. Manipulation of the masses through deceptive messaging in media in order to get or keep your party in power. Mass quantities of money buying into our representatives. The absolute majority of America's population agree with these statements.

The question isn't, are these thing right or wrong. The question needs to be, how do we fix these wrongs.

 

But when someone wants to talk about solutions, the loudest voices are from those who just want to hear themselves pontificate. (hope I spelt that right)

 

and its the rights fault.

 

they lie and cheat and refuse science

I gave you my opinion of a freethinker. It isn't a definition.

because you don't like to accept FACTS and make up you own definitions

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Who is ... "justmakesense"?

I am a white, conservative, pastor, male, raised in an all white small town in California as a non-Christian.

I should, by these pre-existing factors be far from a free thinker. But if there is one thing I've learned from studying the Bible and comparing it to those who profess to be Christians, it is that many who call thenselves Christians misinterpret the scriptures in the light of their own prejudices.

For those who study the Bible as a blank slate to be transformed into the likeness of Jesus, great people emerge. But when people take their own prejudices and interpret the Bible through that filter, hypocrates emerge. If a Bible student is honest and studying the Bible free from predetermined thinking or predetermined indoctrination, they will see an absolute fair and equitable teaching.

A true "Freethinker" can be from any background and any belief and any nationality, and if diligent to put self interests aside and appreciate facts and truths for what they are and before their own opinions, a right and good community can exist. A perfect community can never exist until love for all permeates all leadership and decision making.

 

What is a "Freethinker"?

Full Definition of FREETHINKER

: one who forms his or her own opinions about important subjects (such as religion and politics) instead of accepting what other people say...

I would go one step further and add, : ...what you feel and seems to be best for you"

 

justmakesense

Free thinker is one whom has discovered what everyone else refuses to believe possible because of how everything gets equally spaced apart while nothing remains as it existed before now while remaining now here and nowhere else again.

 

Balance puts one understanding how Eternity functions eternally in conflict with those never wanting to know more than their ancestry chose to believe in.

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