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It's the 21st century and we still have virtually no rights for a huge portion of society! Research has showed no significant difference between the judgment of youth and adults, yet they are still controlled by the old and have none of the rights everyone takes for granted. Teenagers are treated like second-class citizens, and that treatment just reinforces the stereotypes. Join the movement! I'm open to debate below.

Here's some research gathered by the National Youth Rights Association. http://www.youthrights.org/research/

Here's a video of one young person explaining the issues very well.

This research tried to prove minors are incapable. Instead it showed that half of 8th graders are more mature and dependable decision makers than the average adult. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bsl.416/pdf

About the differences in brain anatomy throughout growth. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16492261

The research of decisions and brains of adolescents vs. adults show similar differences as those between men and women. See above and http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/men-women-different-brains.htm

Seniors make worse decisions. Double standard? http://ns.umich.edu/Releases/2001/Aug01/r081501a.html and http://consumer.healthday.com/senior-citizen-information-31/misc-aging-news-10/aging-brain-has-more-trouble-with-financial-decisions-study-suggests-680614.html.

Teens make BETTER decisions. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/28/adults-worse-than-teens-about-texting-behind-wheel/2026331/ and http://smdp.com/teens-more-responsible-than-adults-when-it-comes-to-safe-sex/77463

Adults are more capable than these minors? Gov't Sanctioned Discrimination

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Hanson, you're the reason for problems in society today. Instead of looking at the evidence and realizing this injustice is unacceptable, you talk playing politics. Republicans do the same when we talk about opening the border. At least they didn't talk partisanship when they discussed giving blacks and women the vote.

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You want 18-year-olds to be treated like adults? Get them off their parents insurance at 18. Let them drink at 18. Let them own a handgun at 18 (state laws). Get rid of the parents financial info requirement for the FAFSA.

 

At 18, they are adults. Quit being pussies about it.

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You want 18-year-olds to be treated like adults? Get them off their parents insurance at 18. Let them drink at 18. Let them own a handgun at 18 (state laws). Get rid of the parents financial info requirement for the FAFSA.

 

At 18, they are adults. Quit being pussies about it.

I agree with what you said, but I don't think this is limited to 18 year olds. I know it sounds radical, but we should find a better way of figuring out if someone has good judgment than age. If you check the link to the research paper that was actually trying to prove that minors have worse judgment, you'll see that they had a maturity test that was better at predicting decision making than age is.
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WJWilczek would say that rights are only what the gov't allows you to have.

 

There can be no denial of rights.

 

It's a brave new world.

 

KJ

Yes, but there can be an irrational discrimination in choosing upon whom to bestow these rights.

Btw, I realizing that the 3rd link cost money. Here's a better one http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Elizabeth_Cauffman/publication/12151317_%28Im%29maturity_of_judgment_in_adolescence_why_adolescents_may_be_less_culpable_than_adults/links/546c07f00cf20dedafd53b93.pdf?origin=publication_detail

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Hanson, you're the reason for problems in society today. Instead of looking at the evidence and realizing this injustice is unacceptable, you talk playing politics. Republicans do the same when we talk about opening the border. At least they didn't talk partisanship when they discussed giving blacks and women the vote.

Unjust?

 

We can all observe that in democratic states where the franchise is widespread, such conditions invariable lead to socialism as those of lower income levels always greatly outnumber the affluent and they vote for people who promise them more bread and circus out of the public treasure. This is the fundamental defect in democratic government so you will forgive me if I am not impressed with any idea that will have a tendency to exasperate this problem rather than mitigate the same.

 

What is unjust is an 18 year old welfare mother with four children subsisting parasitically on social welfare befits being allowed to vote for people who promise her more benefits out of the pockets of people who are actually productive members of our society.

 

It is this basic structural defect in democratic government that is responsible for a great many social ills within our society. When you can comprehend this reality, then I think you might be wise enough to vote.

 

The idea that it is a moral good for everyone to have an equal vote is demonstrated to be in error my inspection. Majority makes right is no more valid a means of creating a just government than is might makes right.

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The loonies never stop. There is not enough discrimination. Who would I listen to anything a 17 year old says? If a 17 wants anyone to listen he/she should join the navy for 4 years. Come back with an honorable discharge at the age of 21 and he/she will get all the respect a person with those qualifications deserves. These teens that are discriminated against should sit up straight and keep their mouth shut and listen unless they are addressed. Another good idea for them would be to pull your pants up and face your ball cap forward. Why would i listen to a dope who doesn't know enough to pull up his pants? hahahaha. Get a clue.

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Hanson, of course democracy tends to lead to oppression of the minority opinion. But this is true no matter who votes, and the rich vote against the poor just like the poor vote against the rich. That's why we have a representative democracy and not a direct democracy.

Unless you're suggesting just reducing government altogether. Such a system would not lead to a proportionate correlation between productivity and wages. Already CEOs earn 300 times the average worker, and you know they're not 300 times more productive. Instead, this system will have built-in inequality for those born poor, unskilled, or undesirable.

Why would i listen to a dope who doesn't know enough to pull up his pants. hahahaha. Get a clue.

It's a sad but hilarious reality that someone like you can vote, but not these people. http://www.businessinsider.com/child-geniuses-2012-12
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Poor, unskilled??? That is what schools are for. Undesirable?? Have a clean criminal record, take a shower, get a job, keep your mouth shut and no one will know how stupid you are. In the service, stand in the middle of the line, do not volunteer for anything, keep your mouth shut, do not let the sergeant know your name. Life is easy.

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I have no idea why so many children have so much difficultly managing their trousers. This was a skill I had master at such a tender age that I can't remember a time when I had difficulty keeping my pants up above my arse.

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I am so old we could not get into school with jeans on. Had to wear chino's. My dad inspected me and my brothers every day before school. My mother ironed all our shits and pants. First impressions are important. Slouching around with your pants down to the bottom of your underwear does not make a good impression. Keeping your mouth shut as a teen is very important.

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Poor, unskilled??? That is what schools are for. Undesirable?? Have a clean criminal record, take a shower, get a job, keep your mouth shut and no one will know how stupid you are. In the service, stand in the middle of the line, do not volunteer for anything, keep your mouth shut, do not let the sergeant know your name. Life is easy.

Are you seriously denying that these people are born disadvantaged? You don't get hired because you went to high school. Those born rich get ahead because of their inheritance, family connections, and because they can afford a good college education. And skills aren't learned in school- you have them or you don't. Undesirable workers include women, blacks, people with the wrong personalities, wrong looks, etc. All these people can probably get some sort of job if they spend a while looking, but it's very rare for them to move into and out of the middle class.
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Undesirable workers include women, blacks, people with the wrong personalities, wrong looks, etc. hahahahahhaaaaa. Life is hard for all these undesirables. hahahaha. An education might be a way out. Join the service and learn something. If your personality is wrong get some psycho. help. ACA plans cover it. Get a personality re-adjustment. Blacks will be hired for anything if they are qualified. When hiring the question i ask is CAN THIS PERSON MAKE ME MONEY? I do not care what color they are. If a person can't make me money they do not get hired. There are black investment bankers on Wall. St that make untold millions. They make untold millions for the company they work for or they will be fired. Race has nothing to do with it. A dope that applies for a job with his pants falling down is not a good prospect to make me money.

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And then they start to complain about slouching pants, of all things. It might be hard for you to understand, but teenagers are ACTIVELY creating that casual impression, in response to the expectations of society. It seems like you didn't even bother reading the post you replied to.

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i don't know why any teen is so in a damn hurry to be an adult. it fucking sucks out here in adult-world, kids.

enjoy yourself while you can.

A friend of mine went to Fla. St. This was in the 80's. He loved the parties so much it took him 6 YEARS to get an undergrad degree. He then had to get a job. He jumped around the country looking for work and found a few jobs. The working world was too much so he went to UMass grad. school. He was there for 3 years and finally became a teacher. He never liked work.

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And then they start to complain about slouching pants, of all things. It might be hard for you to understand, but teenagers are ACTIVELY creating that casual impression, in response to the expectations of society. It seems like you didn't even bother reading the post you replied to.

Then they should actively change and pull their pants up. Please inform me of who would hire this type of a person. I expect a job applicant to have a suit or blazer, a clean pressed shirt, a tie, and a decent pair of leather shoes. I demand that much respect when it is up to me whether a person gets a job or not. If a person cannot get up enough money to look like they are serious about making me money then they can just put the headphones back on and hang on the corner.

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Undesirable workers include women, blacks, people with the wrong personalities, wrong looks, etc. hahahahahhaaaaa. Life is hard for all these undesirables. hahahaha. An education might be a way out. Join the service and learn something. If your personality is wrong get some psycho. help. ACA plans cover it. Get a personality re-adjustment. Blacks will be hired for anything if they are qualified. When hiring the question i ask is CAN THIS PERSON MAKE ME MONEY? I do not care what color they are. If a person can't make me money they do not get hired. There are black investment bankers on Wall. St that make untold millions. They make untold millions for the company they work for or they will be fired. Race has nothing to do with it. A dope that applies for a job with his pants falling down is not a good prospect to make me money.

It looks you find a lot of humor in other people's hardships. I responded to what you said about education already. I'm happy you don't discriminate, but many employers (and service provides) do. And my main point in this discussion is that the government should help those with built-in disadvantages, like it did with the ACA. So it looks like you agree with me. (What's funny is that you think people can change their personalities, just like that.)
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Hanson, of course democracy tends to lead to oppression of the minority opinion. But this is true no matter who votes, and the rich vote against the poor just like the poor vote against the rich. That's why we have a representative democracy and not a direct democracy.

Unless you're suggesting just reducing government altogether. Such a system would not lead to a proportionate correlation between productivity and wages. Already CEOs earn 300 times the average worker, and you know they're not 300 times more productive. Instead, this system will have built-in inequality for those born poor, unskilled, or undesirable.

It's a sad but hilarious reality that someone like you can vote, but not these people. http://www.businessinsider.com/child-geniuses-2012-12

I don't know anyone who is "undesirable".

 

The primary reason we have a representative democracy instead of direct democracy is that when this country was formed it was not possible to have a direct democracy. With modern communications, this is no longer as much of an issue and we now see quite a bit of direct democracy in the form of ballot initiatives. There is not much difference between the two, but there is a difference between a democracy where the government has only a limited grant of enumerated powers and one in which the majority is not constrained from any action.

 

We already have a system that leads to proportionality between productivity and wages and it works rather well. It is called free market capitalism and the free market has always done a much better job of valuing the economic outputs of individuals than has any government. It is very likely that a CEO who earns 300 times the average wage of the workers is worth as much as 300 average workers. What is the work product of a CEO? How do you set a value on the ability of a person to make good leadership decisions for a large enterprise?

 

The market has no problem doing this without your help, but you seam to think you have some great skill in determine how much a man's labour is worth. What is wrong with consumers making that determination every day with their purchasing decisions?

 

What I find problematic is when people want to use government force, such as the power to tax, in any attempt make people more equal economically. I am not a big proponent of violence and would rather just let people make their own economic decisions.

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Youth rights movement is stupid.

 

Whining about their lack of freedoms when they should be studying and working hard for when Mommy kicks them out.

 

Typical libloony immediate gratification syndrome.

 

It looks you find a lot of humor in other people's hardships.

 

I find the horror ... lacking.

 

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KJ

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Then they should actively change and pull their pants up. Please inform me of who would hire this type of a person. I expect a job applicant to have a suit or blazer, a clean pressed shirt, a tie, and a decent pair of leather shoes. I demand that much respect when it is up to me whether a person gets a job or not. If a person cannot get up enough money to look like they are serious about making me money then they can just put the headphones back on and hang on the corner.

Did you just make up that that's how they'd show up for an interview? They dress like that in social situations, because that's what is respected there. If they did dress like that at an interview, it'd because society doesn't consider it important to show them otherwise.

It's important to point out that there really is nothing wrong with that dress. It's just stiff-necks like you that have these problems.

i don't know why any teen is so in a damn hurry to be an adult. it fucking sucks out here in adult-world, kids.

enjoy yourself while you can.

For those in good situations, that may be true. For others, not so much. It's about freedom, not forced independence.
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Did you just make up that that's how they'd show up for an interview? They dress like that in social situations, because that's what is respected there. If they did dress like that at an interview, it'd because society doesn't consider it important to show them otherwise.

It's important to point out that there really is nothing wrong with that dress. It's just stiff-necks like you that have these problems.

For those in good situations, that may be true. For others, not so much. It's about freedom, not forced independence.

 

Just what is your concern ... really.

 

KJ

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