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The point I was trying to make is that if Germany is doing well now, they at least probably had tha capability to do well back then. Next, I was going by exports. Not various other aspects of the economy. Of course, with the U.S. being larger and having more people, other economic aspects would be larger. For example, the U.S. has about 4% of the worlds population. But has 25% of those in jail. I doubt if Germany has the same percentage of its population in jail. Also, Germany has about 81 million people. According to one website, the U.S. has 101 million unemployed people.;

 

 

101 million unemployed individuals huh??? Hmmm...according to the BLS the US labor force is around 157 million. Of those 157 million, about 8 million are unemployed. Now I'm aware that the US government uses mathematical trickery to make these sorts of numbers look worse, so let's add 93 million t the US labor force using your number. So now we're at 250 million Americans in the labor force. So there's about 69 million Americans unaccounted for total. Hmmm, but there are around 115 million Americans of retirement age or under 18. Where did we suddenly get an extra 45 million Americans from??

 

Even if the US and Germany had the same population, the US economy would still be larger by about 20%. Germany has never ascended beyond the role of a counter balance to France in mainland Europe.

 

I'm not sure about the 25% of Americans in jail or why that matters, but feel free to keep digging this whole by explaining that.

 

 

 

 

Next, I don't know how many aircraft the English lost. But no doubt the lend-lease pact they had with the U.S. helped them out more than their industrial capability. England also had radar. This gave them the ability to see the Germans coming and wait for them at a higher altitude. Then they could just dive down at high speed and shoot the hell out of them. Next, are you really going to make an issue of what the USSR was called? Also, Germany and Russia attacked and divided up Poland. So Russia was at least militarized enough to do that. As for any pact that they had, if Germany hadn't eventually betrayed it, Russia would have. As for Germany losing against Russia, I never said that Hitler was perfect. But if it hadn't been for war in the west, Germany could have defeated Russia.

 

The US did not furnish the UK with planes. The number of planes lost is not relevant. The Germans had a multi year head start and started the war with a larger air force. Germany's inferior factories were not able to replace the losses in the Battle of Britain as fast as British factories were.

 

The Soviets committed a third of the manpower to the invasion of Poland as the Nazis son. Nobody said the Soviet Union didn't have a standing army or weren't preparing for a war. They simply hadn't spent the second half of the 1930's building up their military as Hitler had. Had Hitler had half a brain, he would have never declared war on the US or Soviets. His country did not have the ability to get any further than a stalemate against the UK. The Soviets produced 10 million tanks within a year after the Nazi invasion, and they were superior tanks. Hitler never had a chance against the Soviets.

 

And in an alternate history where Hitler never attacks Western Europe and is simply trying to fight off a Soviet invasion, he loses that too.

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Basically everything we know about the holocaust comes from two sources; Hoss who was tortured and coerced to testify under the threat that his son would be shipped to the Soviets, and stories from the Soviets (Who have a long history lying about fucking everything).

 

Several experts including museam workers say the supposed 'gas chambers' were heavily modified shortly after the war.

 

I had always suspected the Holocaust was overblown but now I think it was all bullshit to cover for the many, many, many, atrocities committed by Stalin and the Red Army as to take the heat off of Roosevelt, Truman, and Churchill for making nice with Stalin(funding him, giving him supplies, troops, etc).

 

Patton knew full-well that NSDAP was not the monster it was made out to be and concluded we went after the wrong enemy at the close of WWII before his mysterious death.

 

 

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101 million unemployed individuals huh??? Hmmm...according to the BLS the US labor force is around 157 million. Of those 157 million, about 8 million are unemployed. Now I'm aware that the US government uses mathematical trickery to make these sorts of numbers look worse, so let's add 93 million t the US labor force using your number. So now we're at 250 million Americans in the labor force. So there's about 69 million Americans unaccounted for total. Hmmm, but there are around 115 million Americans of retirement age or under 18. Where did we suddenly get an extra 45 million Americans from??

 

Even if the US and Germany had the same population, the US economy would still be larger by about 20%. Germany has never ascended beyond the role of a counter balance to France in mainland Europe.

 

I'm not sure about the 25% of Americans in jail or why that matters, but feel free to keep digging this whole by explaining that.

 

 

 

The US did not furnish the UK with planes. The number of planes lost is not relevant. The Germans had a multi year head start and started the war with a larger air force. Germany's inferior factories were not able to replace the losses in the Battle of Britain as fast as British factories were.

 

The Soviets committed a third of the manpower to the invasion of Poland as the Nazis son. Nobody said the Soviet Union didn't have a standing army or weren't preparing for a war. They simply hadn't spent the second half of the 1930's building up their military as Hitler had. Had Hitler had half a brain, he would have never declared war on the US or Soviets. His country did not have the ability to get any further than a stalemate against the UK. The Soviets produced 10 million tanks within a year after the Nazi invasion, and they were superior tanks. Hitler never had a chance against the Soviets.

 

And in an alternate history where Hitler never attacks Western Europe and is simply trying to fight off a Soviet invasion, he loses that too.

tharock220,

I told you what one website I found said. Make of it what you will. Go to your google browser and enter, "How many unemployed people are there in the U.S." Website no. 4 on the list says, "Nearly 102 working age Americans jobless." Website no. 5 says, "Are there 91 million Americans "on the sidelines" looking for work?" Website no. 6 says, "The 86 million invisible unemployed." I'm not the one to get the answer from. But if you go to those websites, maybe you can find a more knowledgable person to ask.

 

Next, when it comes to Germany's economy, what is it you don't get. Being a much smaller country with a much smaller population, far less natural resources and arable land, the value of their exports is nearly equal to ours. So in that regard, they are kicking America's ass. Deal with it. Next, if you don't agree that the U.S. has 25% of the total world prisoner population, even though we only have about 4% of the worlds population, look it up for yourself.

 

Next, I don't know exactly what the U.S did or didn't furnish England with through the Lend-Lease act. But no doubt it included things to at least help England build airplanes with. Before the war began, the U.S. probably protected those shipments to England with warships. At the very least, they were protected with warships that the U.S. gave England through the lend-lease act. It may not have been a wise move on Hitler's part to declare war on the U.S. But we were already basically at war with them through our support of Germany's enemies.

 

Also, I wouldn't inderestimate Germany's factories. For example, I was watching a program once where some Americans found a nearly intact Messerschmitt fighter. They planned to restore it. But they wanted to be extra careful with the aircraft's crank shaft. Because all of the dimensions of it were so spot on accurate that they weren't sure if they could make another exactly like it. This despite the 70+ years of machining equipment advancements. Next, don't call me "son." I am your intellectial superior "boy." As to Soviet war production, I don't know what they did or didn't do. Though if I didn't want the real answer, I know who to ask to probably not get the real answer. Either our government or the Russian government. As to an alternate history, I still contend that Germany could have defeated Russia if it hadn't been for their war with the West. But unfortunately, Germany had war declared on them for attacking Poland. Soon after, Russia also invaded Poland. Nobody declared war on them for doing so.

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tharock220,

I told you what one website I found said. Make of it what you will. Go to your google browser and enter, "How many unemployed people are there in the U.S." Website no. 4 on the list says, "Nearly 102 working age Americans jobless." Website no. 5 says, "Are there 91 million Americans "on the sidelines" looking for work?" Website no. 6 says, "The 86 million invisible unemployed." I'm not the one to get the answer from. But if you go to those websites, maybe you can find a more knowledgable person to ask.

 

Well you should cite your sources son, and then use your brain when one of your sources says something so obviously wrong.

 

 

 

Next, when it comes to Germany's economy, what is it you don't get. Being a much smaller country with a much smaller population, far less natural resources and arable land, the value of their exports is nearly equal to ours. So in that regard, they are kicking America's ass. Deal with it. Next, if you don't agree that the U.S. has 25% of the total world prisoner population, even though we only have about 4% of the worlds population, look it up for yourself.

 

So they don't consume as much as we do. I'm not sure what your point is here or with the incarceration rates. The Germans had a several century head start, and their economy is smaller than the individual sectors of our economy.

 

 

 

Next, I don't know exactly what the U.S did or didn't furnish England with through the Lend-Lease act. But no doubt it included things to at least help England build airplanes with. Before the war began, the U.S. probably protected those shipments to England with warships. At the very least, they were protected with warships that the U.S. gave England through the lend-lease act. It may not have been a wise move on Hitler's part to declare war on the U.S. But we were already basically at war with them through our support of Germany's enemies.

 

 

So you were guessing when you attributed England's superiority to the US. The US would have gladly supplied Hitler much as we did the Central powers in the first world war, but the superior British completely blockaded the nation of Germany.

 

 

 

Also, I wouldn't inderestimate Germany's factories. For example, I was watching a program once where some Americans found a nearly intact Messerschmitt fighter. They planned to restore it. But they wanted to be extra careful with the aircraft's crank shaft. Because all of the dimensions of it were so spot on accurate that they weren't sure if they could make another exactly like it. This despite the 70+ years of machining equipment advancements. Next, don't call me "son." I am your intellectial superior "boy." As to Soviet war production, I don't know what they did or didn't do. Though if I didn't want the real answer, I know who to ask to probably not get the real answer. Either our government or the Russian government. As to an alternate history, I still contend that Germany could have defeated Russia if it hadn't been for their war with the West. But unfortunately, Germany had war declared on them for attacking Poland. Soon after, Russia also invaded Poland. Nobody declared war on them for doing so.

 

The bolded pretty much sums up every argument you've made this thread.

 

Hitler knew he would be at war with the UK if he invaded Poland. That was a war he was incapable of winning even without Soviet or American involvement. He decided to make things worse on himself declaring war on them. The Nazis invaded the USSR and lost, but when the eventual Soviet invasion came, Germany would have lost that too.

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This thread could be 6 million posts fewer if it weren't for useless personal tirades and shitstorms..

 

Naughtyword, Smoothish, Rafal, Lewstherin, Harbinger, I'll grant that this is all about the truth-worthiness of the historic narrative of ww2. Sure, it does seem pretty rich that a landlocked country fighting a war on three fronts, if not four would have the time, inclination and resources to round up, transport and house any ethnic minority, only to gas them later.

 

But let me ask you a different question addressing the charge of anti-semitism and racism which your detractors here seem to have made up their minds about: Lets say you had complete control of the US govt.... your very own National Socialist govt with dictatorial powers thanks to a new and "improved" patriot act. Would you enact any racial policies? If so, would they be?

 

This question is off-topic agreed, but if we can safely presume the WW2 bit has concluded... humour me a response, thanks.

race laws in america wouldn't make much sense, as america is a land of mongrels. much like italy was. italy didn't mess with

race laws until mussolini became hitler's puppet in 1938, after his baltic blunders forced hitler to actually invade northern italy to save

it. before that, even 1/3 of the jews in italy were fascists.and like i said earlier in this thread, if the axis powers would have won,

even germany's race laws would have become obsolete within a decade or so.

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That was a war he was incapable of winning even without Soviet or American involvement.

 

Nonsense, without American and other global support the UK would most certainly would have been effectively defeated.

 

Germany had interrupted all supply lines the UK had set up most notably it's oil supply lines. Without that oil supply you cannot run a modernized army and eventually agricultural production would come to a halt. Without fuel tanks, planes, etc are worthless and without food soliders and citizenry cannot fight. The UK is an island nation and without outside resources it cannot survive. A fact both the UK and IJ were painfully aware of. Not to mention virtually all of the UK's official allies in the war were also defeated. Just to put it into perspective, if the UK were a US State it would be the 12th largest by area (Slightly larger than Minnesota) and 28th by population (Slightly more than Oklahoma). Hell even with American unofficial support the UK was hanging on by it's fingernails. It doesn't take a stretch of the imagination that Germany would have effectively defeated the UK without having to set one boot on it. A starving population has a funny way of making nations capitulate.

 

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Well you should cite your sources son, and then use your brain when one of your sources says something so obviously wrong.

 

 

So they don't consume as much as we do. I'm not sure what your point is here or with the incarceration rates. The Germans had a several century head start, and their economy is smaller than the individual sectors of our economy.

 

 

 

So you were guessing when you attributed England's superiority to the US. The US would have gladly supplied Hitler much as we did the Central powers in the first world war, but the superior British completely blockaded the nation of Germany.

 

 

 

The bolded pretty much sums up every argument you've made this thread.

 

Hitler knew he would be at war with the UK if he invaded Poland. That was a war he was incapable of winning even without Soviet or American involvement. He decided to make things worse on himself declaring war on them. The Nazis invaded the USSR and lost, but when the eventual Soviet invasion came, Germany would have lost that too.

tharock220,

Just like trying to show proof to a global warming denier, my proof about how many unemployed people there are isn't good enough. Big surprise. I may be no expert, but for the websites I mentioned, I would take their word for it over yours in a heartbeat. Next, I'm sorry I have to say this. But when I go into Germany's economy and our prisoner population, you descend into babble. Next, if the U.S. wanted to send war supplies to the Germans in WW I, they could have easily done so. The English may have dare to stop our ships, but it would have been a big mistake for them to do so. The whole point is that in either WW I or WW II, the U.S. was just more likely to back England. Not just for the fact that most of our original settlers were English, but because they are an English speaking country. Of course the U.S. is more likely to back them before any other country.

 

Next, so you're going to give me shit over not knowing what kind of war material production the Soviets were capable of. Same thing as global warming deniers. Unless you can show that you know absolutely everything about absolutely everything, nothing that you have to say means anything. Big surprise. Also, tell me anything I said that you don't think is accurate. I am more than willing to go into it more.

 

As to Germany being unable to defeat England without England having help from the U.S. or Russia, you have to be high. When Germany defeated English and French forces at Dunkirk, those forces had to leave most of their weapons behind. If not for the U.S. having dumped so many supplies on England, defeating them would have been a cakewalk. Next, I never said that for Germany to declare open war on the U.S. was a wise move. But what was done was done. As for Germany invading Russia, if not for the U.S. supplying Russia too, they would have never been able to defeat the Germans. Not to say that the Russians weren't tough fighters. But when you run out of things like bullets, artillery rounds, steel to make tanks with, food or anything else that the U.S. may have shipped there, Russia's defeat was a certainty.

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So I will tell you what I would do. I would take a sizable portion of the south east U.S. and make it a negro homeland. Most negros, negro lovers and other non-whites would be sent there. I would take a sizable chunk of the south west U.S. and make it a Latino homeland. Latinos, those who like latinos and other non-whites would be sent there. The rest would be what Whites derserve to and should have. A homeland of our own.

 

race laws in america wouldn't make much sense, as america is a land of mongrels.

 

So if we had a National Socialist dicatorship in America: Cultsmasher you would carve up the map, ethnic cleansing, whites in the north, everyone else in the south east, south west.

 

Lewstherin, you're saying race laws wouldn't work. Do you support Cult's ethnic cleansing program?


Naughtyword, what would you do?

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So I will tell you what I would do. I would take a sizable portion of the south east U.S. and make it a negro homeland. Most negros, negro lovers and other non-whites would be sent there. I would take a sizable chunk of the south west U.S. and make it a Latino homeland. Latinos, those who like latinos and other non-whites would be sent there. The rest would be what Whites derserve to and should have. A homeland of our own.

 

 

So if we had a National Socialist dicatorship in America: Cultsmasher you would carve up the map, ethnic cleansing, whites in the north, everyone else in the south east, south west.

 

Lewstherin, you're saying race laws wouldn't work. Do you support Cult's ethnic cleansing program?

Naughtyword, what would you do?

 

i think i've made myself clear throughout this thread about so called "race laws". i mean...let's face it...the "jews" aren't even a "race",

unless you count "caucasian".

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Naughtyword, what would you do?

 

 

I would decentralize banking, reduce the size of Government by 70% or more, and let the free market figure out the rest. I would also dispense of federal laws involving affirmative action to all groups. I'd leave the States to impliment any laws they saw fit within the confines of the US Constitution. This is really a question that requires a youtube video. I am a libertarian to the point of lunacy, I'm not NatSoc for several reasons but the major one is because legislating morality is an obvious failure in my opinion. You are free to disagree of course.

 

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The first para in my last post was actually a quote by cultsmasher... not myself, I fucked up the quotations part. I would never say anything like that btw.

 

i think i've made myself clear throughout this thread about so called "race laws". i mean...let's face it...the "jews" aren't even a "race",

unless you count "caucasian".

 

Lewstherin, so you're National Socialism has no racial agenda... fair statement?

 

 

I would decentralize banking, reduce the size of Government by 70% or more, and let the free market figure out the rest. I would also dispense of federal laws involving affirmative action to all groups. I'd leave the States to impliment any laws they saw fit within the confines of the US Constitution. This is really a question that requires a youtube video. I am a libertarian to the point of lunacy, I'm not NatSoc for several reasons but the major one is because legislating morality is an obvious failure in my opinion. You are free to disagree of course.

 

Naughtyword, you're libertarian, so you'd rather have Ron Paul than a National Socialist dictatorship. Fair enough.

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So I will tell you what I would do. I would take a sizable portion of the south east U.S. and make it a negro homeland. Most negros, negro lovers and other non-whites would be sent there. I would take a sizable chunk of the south west U.S. and make it a Latino homeland. Latinos, those who like latinos and other non-whites would be sent there. The rest would be what Whites derserve to and should have. A homeland of our own.

 

 

So if we had a National Socialist dicatorship in America: Cultsmasher you would carve up the map, ethnic cleansing, whites in the north, everyone else in the south east, south west.

 

Lewstherin, you're saying race laws wouldn't work. Do you support Cult's ethnic cleansing program?

Naughtyword, what would you do?

 

ashleyxl,

I take it that you don't agree with the idea of having a White homeland. But one thing that should be absolutely clear to even an idiot is that a miltiethnic society just doesn't work.

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101 million unemployed individuals huh??? Hmmm...according to the BLS the US labor force is around 157 million. Of those 157 million, about 8 million are unemployed. Now I'm aware that the US government uses mathematical trickery to make these sorts of numbers look worse, so let's add 93 million t the US labor force using your number. So now we're at 250 million Americans in the labor force. So there's about 69 million Americans unaccounted for total. Hmmm, but there are around 115 million Americans of retirement age or under 18. Where did we suddenly get an extra 45 million Americans from??

 

Even if the US and Germany had the same population, the US economy would still be larger by about 20%. Germany has never ascended beyond the role of a counter balance to France in mainland Europe.

 

I'm not sure about the 25% of Americans in jail or why that matters, but feel free to keep digging this whole by explaining that.

 

 

 

The US did not furnish the UK with planes. The number of planes lost is not relevant. The Germans had a multi year head start and started the war with a larger air force. Germany's inferior factories were not able to replace the losses in the Battle of Britain as fast as British factories were.

 

The Soviets committed a third of the manpower to the invasion of Poland as the Nazis son. Nobody said the Soviet Union didn't have a standing army or weren't preparing for a war. They simply hadn't spent the second half of the 1930's building up their military as Hitler had. Had Hitler had half a brain, he would have never declared war on the US or Soviets. His country did not have the ability to get any further than a stalemate against the UK. The Soviets produced 10 million tanks within a year after the Nazi invasion, and they were superior tanks. Hitler never had a chance against the Soviets.

 

And in an alternate history where Hitler never attacks Western Europe and is simply trying to fight off a Soviet invasion, he loses that too.

tharock220,

I misread something you said. I didn't say that 25% of Americans were in jail. I said that out of the total world population of those in jail, the U.S. has 25% of them. Despite having about 4% of the worlds population.

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tharock220,

Just like trying to show proof to a global warming denier, my proof about how many unemployed people there are isn't good enough. Big surprise. I may be no expert, but for the websites I mentioned, I would take their word for it over yours in a heartbeat. Next, I'm sorry I have to say this. But when I go into Germany's economy and our prisoner population, you descend into babble. Next, if the U.S. wanted to send war supplies to the Germans in WW I, they could have easily done so. The English may have dare to stop our ships, but it would have been a big mistake for them to do so. The whole point is that in either WW I or WW II, the U.S. was just more likely to back England. Not just for the fact that most of our original settlers were English, but because they are an English speaking country. Of course the U.S. is more likely to back them before any other country.

You don't have to take my word for it. You should use your head. There are 150 million or so employed Americans. For 101 million to be out of a job that would mean the US labor force was 251 million. The remaining 70 million or so Americans would be children and old people, but there are more than 70 million Americans who are either retired or in primary school. So the math doesn't add up.

 

The British did stop, and hold, American ships. Cargo bound for Germany was seized, and American ships were kept from proceeding for weeks sometimes. The US could do nothing to stop it so they became a backer of the UK by default.

 

You have given no reason for US incarceration rates, or unemployment numbers, mattering. There is no economic metric, aside from exports, in which Germany beats the United States.

 

 

 

Next, so you're going to give me shit over not knowing what kind of war material production the Soviets were capable of. Same thing as global warming deniers. Unless you can show that you know absolutely everything about absolutely everything, nothing that you have to say means anything. Big surprise. Also, tell me anything I said that you don't think is accurate. I am more than willing to go into it more.

 

 

You don't know so I'm educating you son. The numbers are easily Googled. Soviet military production outpaced that of Germany during WWII after Hitler invaded.

 

 

 

As to Germany being unable to defeat England without England having help from the U.S. or Russia, you have to be high. When Germany defeated English and French forces at Dunkirk, those forces had to leave most of their weapons behind. If not for the U.S. having dumped so many supplies on England, defeating them would have been a cakewalk. Next, I never said that for Germany to declare open war on the U.S. was a wise move. But what was done was done. As for Germany invading Russia, if not for the U.S. supplying Russia too, they would have never been able to defeat the Germans. Not to say that the Russians weren't tough fighters. But when you run out of things like bullets, artillery rounds, steel to make tanks with, food or anything else that the U.S. may have shipped there, Russia's defeat was a certainty.

 

How can you say Germany could defeat England. They essentially went head to head during 1940. Hitler tried to take control of British skies, and his air force was soundly defeated. Germany certainly didn't have the naval capacity to defeat the UK in the water sufficiently to invade. Hell, the Germans, for all of that brilliance and superiority you claim, couldn't competently build an aircraft carrier.

 

As for the Soviets, the Germans could have made peace with the British and invaded, and they would still have stalled and eventually got turned back. If Hitler hadn't invaded, the eventually Soviet invasion would have left more of Germany in Stalin's hands. So West Germans should have felt gratitude toward the Americans and British for ensuring they weren't all speaking Russian.

tharock220,

I misread something you said. I didn't say that 25% of Americans were in jail. I said that out of the total world population of those in jail, the U.S. has 25% of them. Despite having about 4% of the worlds population.

 

Who gives a shit? It has nothing to do with the discussion. There are almost as many [African-American slur]s living in the US as there are total people in Germany. Of course we're going to incarcerate more.

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You don't have to take my word for it. You should use your head. There are 150 million or so employed Americans. For 101 million to be out of a job that would mean the US labor force was 251 million. The remaining 70 million or so Americans would be children and old people, but there are more than 70 million Americans who are either retired or in primary school. So the math doesn't add up.

 

The British did stop, and hold, American ships. Cargo bound for Germany was seized, and American ships were kept from proceeding for weeks sometimes. The US could do nothing to stop it so they became a backer of the UK by default.

 

You have given no reason for US incarceration rates, or unemployment numbers, mattering. There is no economic metric, aside from exports, in which Germany beats the United States.

 

 

 

You don't know so I'm educating you son. The numbers are easily Googled. Soviet military production outpaced that of Germany during WWII after Hitler invaded.

 

 

 

How can you say Germany could defeat England. They essentially went head to head during 1940. Hitler tried to take control of British skies, and his air force was soundly defeated. Germany certainly didn't have the naval capacity to defeat the UK in the water sufficiently to invade. Hell, the Germans, for all of that brilliance and superiority you claim, couldn't competently build an aircraft carrier.

 

As for the Soviets, the Germans could have made peace with the British and invaded, and they would still have stalled and eventually got turned back. If Hitler hadn't invaded, the eventually Soviet invasion would have left more of Germany in Stalin's hands. So West Germans should have felt gratitude toward the Americans and British for ensuring they weren't all speaking Russian.

 

Who gives a shit? It has nothing to do with the discussion. There are almost as many [African-American slur]s living in the US as there are total people in Germany. Of course we're going to incarcerate more.

tharock220,

The 101 million unemployed number came from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Stastics. Argue with them. Next, when you talk about the Brittish stopping U.S. ships, I take it that you mean in WW I. If it was in international waters, it would have been a violation of international law. That isn't much of a basis for forming an alliance. Next, of course the number of people in prison and the number of unemployed matters. Why don't you just say "Let them eat cake" and get it over with. Though this isn't the thread in which to be having this discussion. The proper thread is, "Why vote national socialist. (nazi party)" Next, your exports are a pretty food indicator of the overall health of your economy. Though as for myself, I would stop about all exports and imports. If there is anything that Americans can't make, it is something that Americans don't need or shouldn't have.

 

Next, if google or anything else the government may have a hand in "boy" told me that the sky was blue, I would have good reason to doubt it. And if it was information that Russia provided, I would be far less likely to be truthful. Next, from what I heard, Germany never tried to invade England. It could be because he hadn't gotten around to it. Or maybe he just didn't feel like bottling up forces on a worthless island. But if he wanted to, he could have. Who would have stopped him. The Brittish navy? Germany may not have had an aircraft carrier. But he didn't need one.

 

If he had wanted to protect an invasion fleet from the air, there were plenty of places on land that German aircraft could have taken off from. And they could have blasted the hell out of any Brittish ships. Even with land based artilery. Now with the German airforce flying over England, obviously the German air force was at a bit of a disadvantage. But had the battle turned to being over the English channel, that would surely have been a different matter. As to England and Germany making peace, it could have happened. But the English didn't want peace. Obviously, neither did the Americans. As to Germany going up against Russia, if Germany didn't have the West to worry about, of course they could have beaten them.

 

Next, what is the discussion. We have been all over the place. Also, there are about 81 million people in Germany. There are about 34 million negros in the U.S. Also, I hope that you aren't trying to bring up how many negros the Germans have in jail. Because per capita, I'm sure there are fewer negros in Germany. Though these days, if negros from Africa and sand negros from the middle east had their way, White Germans would probably be a minority.

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The 101 million unemployed number came from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Stastics. Argue with them. Next, when you talk about the Brittish stopping U.S. ships, I take it that you mean in WW I. If it was in international waters, it would have been a violation of international law. That isn't much of a basis for forming an alliance. Next, of course the number of people in prison and the number of unemployed matters. Why don't you just say "Let them eat cake" and get it over with. Though this isn't the thread in which to be having this discussion. The proper thread is, "Why vote national socialist. (nazi party)" Next, your exports are a pretty food indicator of the overall health of your economy. Though as for myself, I would stop about all exports and imports. If there is anything that Americans can't make, it is something that Americans don't need or shouldn't have.

 

Yawn..please post the link on unemployment numbers.

 

Yawn...it was war, who cared about international law at that point. The SS Manhattan had all cargo bound for Germany confiscated.

 

Yawn...the US manufactures orders of magnitude more stuff than Germany. We just keep it and use it. We have more disposable income because Germans suck in general.

 

 

 

 

Next, if google or anything else the government may have a hand in "boy" told me that the sky was blue, I would have good reason to doubt it. And if it was information that Russia provided, I would be far less likely to be truthful. Next, from what I heard, Germany never tried to invade England. It could be because he hadn't gotten around to it. Or maybe he just didn't feel like bottling up forces on a worthless island. But if he wanted to, he could have. Who would have stopped him. The Brittish navy? Germany may not have had an aircraft carrier. But he didn't need one.

 

 

Aircraft carriers won the war son. No matter what, Germany waged war against the UK after Dunkirk to disastrous results. The plan to invade, operation Sea Lion, never materialized because the inferior Germans couldn't establish air superiority against British pilots. Any invasion force would have been sunk crossing the English channel. The British bombed the shit out of Germany from aircraft carriers. They managed to win that battle. I guess they're needed after all.

 

 

 

 

If he had wanted to protect an invasion fleet from the air, there were plenty of places on land that German aircraft could have taken off from. And they could have blasted the hell out of any Brittish ships. Even with land based artilery. Now with the German airforce flying over England, obviously the German air force was at a bit of a disadvantage. But had the battle turned to being over the English channel, that would surely have been a different matter. As to England and Germany making peace, it could have happened. But the English didn't want peace. Obviously, neither did the Americans. As to Germany going up against Russia, if Germany didn't have the West to worry about, of course they could have beaten them.

 

 

 

The British flew missions over Berlin and didn't take the beat down the Germans did. Why???

 

There was nothing going on in the West when operation Barbarossa began. The British were on their Island rebuilding from the Battle of Britain they had just won or in Africa kicking German ass. The reason the Soviets smacked the Nazis around is purely of their own accord.

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Yawn..please post the link on unemployment numbers.

 

Yawn...it was war, who cared about international law at that point. The SS Manhattan had all cargo bound for Germany confiscated.

 

Yawn...the US manufactures orders of magnitude more stuff than Germany. We just keep it and use it. We have more disposable income because Germans suck in general.

 

 

 

Aircraft carriers won the war son. No matter what, Germany waged war against the UK after Dunkirk to disastrous results. The plan to invade, operation Sea Lion, never materialized because the inferior Germans couldn't establish air superiority against British pilots. Any invasion force would have been sunk crossing the English channel. The British bombed the shit out of Germany from aircraft carriers. They managed to win that battle. I guess they're needed after all.

 

 

 

The British flew missions over Berlin and didn't take the beat down the Germans did. Why???

 

There was nothing going on in the West when operation Barbarossa began. The British were on their Island rebuilding from the Battle of Britain they had just won or in Africa kicking German ass. The reason the Soviets smacked the Nazis around is purely of their own accord.

tharock220,

Look up the unemployment numbers yourself if you're interested. Next, are you talking about WW I or WW II. The point is that if a country confiscates the goods of a neutral country, it is illegal. The least that should be done is stopping that amount of goods from being sent to Brittan. Next, for what Germany has, they kick our ass. If the U.S' was the same size as Germany in all aspects, we probably wouldn't out do Uganda. Deal with it. Next, if England had aircraft carriers, they probably kept them well away from where German aircraft could get at them. Why? Because you can launch more aircraft from land bases than you can from an aircraft carrier. More than enough to deal with the amount of aircrafr that an aircraft carrier can deploy. Also, aircraft carriers had a much larger role to play in the Pacific thrater than they did in the European theater.

 

Next, the only reason Hitler didn't invade England is because he didn't want to. In one area, you can see England from Europe. Any ships that had attempted to stop any invasion fleet could have been blasted to hell from shore. As for the English air force, as I said, establishing air superiority over England was one matter. Doing so over the English channel would have been a different matter. Especially if every "landing craft" or whatever they would have used would have had at least one antiaircraft machine gun on it. It's hard to survive when you're being shot at from two directions. Or would you disagree with that too.

 

Next, from my understanding, the war was well under way and England was well supplied before their bombing had any significant impact. As for Africa, the English did manage to stop the Germans from getting the Suez Canal. But I wouldn't exactly call that "kicking German ass." As for Russia smacking Germany around, they couldn't have done it without supplies from the West.

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Look up the unemployment numbers yourself if you're interested. Next, are you talking about WW I or WW II. The point is that if a country confiscates the goods of a neutral country, it is illegal. The least that should be done is stopping that amount of goods from being sent to Brittan. Next, for what Germany has, they kick our ass. If the U.S' was the same size as Germany in all aspects, we probably wouldn't out do Uganda. Deal with it. Next, if England had aircraft carriers, they probably kept them well away from where German aircraft could get at them. Why? Because you can launch more aircraft from land bases than you can from an aircraft carrier. More than enough to deal with the amount of aircrafr that an aircraft carrier can deploy. Also, aircraft carriers had a much larger role to play in the Pacific thrater than they did in the European theater.

 

Next, the only reason Hitler didn't invade England is because he didn't want to. In one area, you can see England from Europe. Any ships that had attempted to stop any invasion fleet could have been blasted to hell from shore. As for the English air force, as I said, establishing air superiority over England was one matter. Doing so over the English channel would have been a different matter. Especially if every "landing craft" or whatever they would have used would have had at least one antiaircraft machine gun on it. It's hard to survive when you're being shot at from two directions. Or would you disagree with that too.

 

Next, from my understanding, the war was well under way and England was well supplied before their bombing had any significant impact. As for Africa, the English did manage to stop the Germans from getting the Suez Canal. But I wouldn't exactly call that "kicking German ass." As for Russia smacking Germany around, they couldn't have done it without supplies from the West.

 

I have looked at the BLS data son. It says 8 million Americans are unemployed. Do you not know how to link? Post your source so I can make fun of you some more.

 

As for Germany, it's GDP per capita, meaning total population is irrelevant, is smaller than that of the US. So if the US had the same number of people, its economy would still be larger.

 

Saying American vessels weren't stopped doesn't make it true. I already listed one American vessel bound for Italy that was stopped for two days by the British and had its German bound cargo confiscated. You can say that was illegal, and it might have been, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

The British had aircraft carriers. That's why they won in the skies over Berlin where the Germans failed over London.

 

The Germans picked two fights in the 20th century hoping to prove their superiority. In the end they proved they were inferior to everyone except the French.

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I have looked at the BLS data son. It says 8 million Americans are unemployed. Do you not know how to link? Post your source so I can make fun of you some more.

 

As for Germany, it's GDP per capita, meaning total population is irrelevant, is smaller than that of the US. So if the US had the same number of people, its economy would still be larger.

 

Saying American vessels weren't stopped doesn't make it true. I already listed one American vessel bound for Italy that was stopped for two days by the British and had its German bound cargo confiscated. You can say that was illegal, and it might have been, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

The British had aircraft carriers. That's why they won in the skies over Berlin where the Germans failed over London.

 

The Germans picked two fights in the 20th century hoping to prove their superiority. In the end they proved they were inferior to everyone except the French.

tharock220,

I don't know how to post links. But if you slide your current screen over to the side and open a new browser, enter, "How many unemployed people are in the U.S. Probably one of the top four websites that come up will say that there are 102 million unemployed people in the U.S. It is information that apparently came fron the "U.S. Bureau of Labor Stastics." As I said, if you want to argue the point, argue with them. As for GDP, I wasn't talking about GDP. I was talking about the value of a countries yearly exports. When you have fewer people and a much smaller country with fewer natural resources and arable land, the value of Germany and Japan's exports has to say something about their economic heath.

 

Next, I didn't say American vessels weren't stopped. YOU said American vesseles WERE stopped. Next, I know that England had aircraft carriers. How many and how large they were, I don't know. But basically, England WAS an aircraft carrier. Also, from what I heard about WW II, a lot of allied shops were sunk on the way to England by U boats. I have no doubt that whatever aircraft carriers England had were most likely used in patrolling the Antlatic ocean sealanes for U boats. Not for launching planes that they could more easily have launched from land.

 

Next, Germany never picked a fight. In WW I, they were drawn into war. It was probably England that declared war on them. Also, according to the documentary Naughty Word mentioned, Germany lost some territory to Poland after WW I. For some reason, German citizens in Poland were being slaughtered. So Hitler invaded Poland. Which caused France and England to declare war on Germany. Also, if not for help from the Americans, Germany would have won WW I. Which means there never would have been a WW II ! Also, I wish you would drop the Karate picture. I'm not impressed. Also, my brain Kung Fu is superior.

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