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Got you on the run. If global warming is the international emergency you are on here constantly telling us it is, shouldn't we expect the President to talk about it for several minutes tonight?

Trying to pretend that the length of any politician's speech affects in any way the validity of the almost unanimous conclusions of the climate scientists about the reality of AGW and the very real dangers, in many areas of life, that a rapidly changing climate and acidifying oceans pose to our civilization, our agricultural and seafood supplies, the entire biosphere, and our world, that is definitely one of the most insane denier cult con jobs you've ever come up with. You are a bad joke, JayDumb.

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Oh Pogo I hope you can find someone to hold and comfort you. NOTHING absolutely NOTHiNG was said about the international emergency of global warning. Nothing.

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. If global warming is the international emergency you are on here constantly telling us it is, shouldn't we expect the President to talk about it for several minutes tonight?

Trying to pretend that the length of any politician's speech affects in any way the validity of the almost unanimous conclusions of the climate scientists about the reality of AGW and the very real dangers, in many areas of life, that a rapidly changing climate and acidifying oceans pose to our civilization, our agricultural and seafood supplies, the entire biosphere, and our world, that is definitely one of the most insane denier cult con jobs you've ever come up with.

 

You are a bad joke, JayDumb.

NOTHING was said about global warming - global climate change. NOTHING. NADA.

Oh Pogo I hope you can find someone to hold and comfort you. NOTHING absolutely NOTHiNG was said about the international emergency of global warning. Nothing.

ROTFLMAO.......I'm not sure whether you just had some kind of senile brain-freeze and missed it, or whether you were watching the FauxNews coverage of the speech and they talked over or blocked that part.....but as anyone who actually watched the President's speech knows quite well, he said this:

 

And no challenge - no challenge - poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change. 2014 was the planets warmest year on record. Now, one year doesn't make a trend, but this does - 14 of the 15 warmest years on record have all fallen in the first 15 years of this century.

 

I've heard some folks try to dodge the evidence by saying they're not scientists; that we dont have enough information to act. Well, I'm not a scientist, either. But you know what - I know a lot of really good scientists at NASA, and NOAA, and at our major universities. The best scientists in the world are all telling us that our activities are changing the climate, and if we do not act forcefully, well continue to see rising oceans, longer, hotter heat waves, dangerous droughts and floods, and massive disruptions that can trigger greater migration, conflict, and hunger around the globe. The Pentagon says that climate change poses immediate risks to our national security. We should act like it.

 

Thats why, over the past six years, wev'e done more than ever before to combat climate change, from the way we produce energy, to the way we use it. Thats why we've set aside more public lands and waters than any administration in history. And thats why I will not let this Congress endanger the health of our children by turning back the clock on our efforts. I am determined to make sure American leadership drives international action. In Beijing, we made an historic announcement - the United States will double the pace at which we cut carbon pollution, and China committed, for the first time, to limiting their emissions. And because the worlds two largest economies came together, other nations are now stepping up, and offering hope that, this year, the world will finally reach an agreement to protect the one planet weve got. - President Barack Obama - Jan 20th, 2015

 

...And now everybody who's heard the speech and then read your reality denying reactions also knows quite well that you are completely insane, JayDumb. Way to go, little retard.

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Can you tell us Pogorocks...in detail... What the President said about the international emergency of global warming in his State of The Union speech?

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Can you tell us Pogorocks...in detail... What the President said about the international emergency of global warming in his State of The Union speech?

Just did, little retard. Pay attention.

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Can you tell us Pogorocks...in detail... What the President said about the international emergency of global warming in his State of The Union speech?

If the text is to be believed, obama said China would do something about their pollution sometime in the not too distant future....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe.

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If the text is to be believed, obama said China would do something about their pollution sometime in the not too distant future....

Maybe.

International agreements are very difficult to negotiate.....but they are much better than having no agreements or the frameworks for further agreements, particularly a little ways down the road when the warming and climate change shyt really starts to hit the fan.....but such agreements are much harder now when the President (and the nation) are hampered by moronic stooges and trolls like you who try to deny reality and block any agreements for the sake of the profits of your puppetmasters in the fossil fuel industry.

 

The rational adults are trying to deal with the climate change crisis....you have no place in that, newlyregurgitated. Your astroturfed cult of reality denial is doomed to slide into the septic tank of history in just a few years as the warming and climate changes continue to accelerate and get more extreme.

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why don't you share with us verbatim Pogorocks.

Since this post of yours is #58, and my post with the text of the President's speech that concerned AGW was post #53, the only reasonable conclusion is that you are either blind or batshyt insane. And, since you are obviously reading my posts......

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Since this post of yours is #58, and my post with the text of the President's speech that concerned AGW was post #53, the only reasonable conclusion is that you are either blind or batshyt insane. And, since you are obviously reading my posts......

So...as an international emergency what did Obama have to say about global warming in his state of the union address?

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So...as an international emergency what did Obama have to say about global warming in his state of the union address?

And once again the denier cult troll demonstrates the validity of the OP.

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And once again the denier cult troll demonstrates the validity of the OP.

 

Yes the President weighed in on the validity of global warming last night. Care to share what the President had to say last night about this global emergency?

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And once again the denier cult troll demonstrates the validity of the OP.

 

You have to believe in something to be in a cult. You're the one in the anti fossil fuel cult. That is what a cult is you dumb fuk.

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International agreements are very difficult to negotiate.....but they are much better than having no agreements or the frameworks for further agreements, particularly a little ways down the road when the warming and climate change shyt really starts to hit the fan.....but such agreements are much harder now when the President (and the nation) are hampered by moronic stooges and trolls like you who try to deny reality and block any agreements for the sake of the profits of your puppetmasters in the fossil fuel industry..

That's a long, long way of saying that China won't get on board with an agreement to deal with this impending disaster. Don't the Chinese have scientists?

 

And then you want to blame me that obama can't even get them to commit to anything for another 10 years?

 

Are you stupid or something?

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Yes the President weighed in on the validity of global warming last night. Care to share what the President had to say last night about this global emergency?

Are you too stupid to read post #53?

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Are you too stupid to read post #53?

Cling to that post! Tax cuts trump your global warming. Find someone to hold you.

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Are you too stupid to read post #53?

Are you so gullible to think one species can stop it, or prevent it from occurring while living here? Oh, you are one of those "We have to do something!" alarmists commonly called Chiken Little running around faking it until there are enough fooled to believe they can change Eternity putting everything together now.

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Are you too stupid to read post #53?

Cling to that post! Tax cuts trump your global warming. Find someone to hold you.

So.....obviously the answer is yes....denier cultists are SOOOOOOO CRAZY.....

 

"And no challenge - no challenge - poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change."

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SInce LF's AGWTruthers continues to regurgitate their nonsense, I've decided to post a single article that does an excellent job of refuting what they claim.
It proves why you can't believe a damn thing an AGWTruther claims or posts.
Because they've manipulated the data and ignored or lied about anything they can't manipulate.
Enjoy ….

We were told in October, before 2014 was over, that it was heading toward being the warmest year on record (Figure 1). The visual link of Polar Bears underscored the message. In fact, 2014 was among the coldest 3 percent of years of the last 10,000, but that doesn’t suit the political agenda.
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We know the headline referred to NOAA’s projection, but the public only remember “warmest year”. It is a routine of manipulation of headlines practiced by bureaucrats and supporters of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPPC), from the start. The claim was not surprising, because NOAA was pushing 2014 as warm beginning in January with this headline “NOAA: January 2014 fourth-warmest on record.” Various months were identified during the year, for example, “NOAA: August 2014 Was The Warmest On Record,” noting August was the warmest by a fraction. But they had already reported,

The summer of 2014 is officially the hottest since the modern instrumental record began more than 130 years ago, according to the latest state of the climate report from NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center.
By October they were summarizing the year.

“This makes the first ten months of 2014 the warmest January to October period on record and puts 2014 on track to be the warmest year recorded in the NOAA archive, which dates back to 1880.”
Bob Tisdale provided an excellent summary of the “Anticipation” for two surface records from GISS and NCDC. He was not surprised when these records appeared, showing 2014 was the warmest, according to them, by 0.02°C. Remember, this is from a record that is restricted by the historic record to measurements of 0.5°C. We also know the two satellite records, RSS and UAH, both show it was not the warmest year.
To counteract the headline you need something very dramatic, because there is nothing significant about the 2014 temperature as Tisdale plans to identify in an upcoming article titled, The Uptick in Global Surface Temperatures in 2014 Doesn’t Help the Growing Difference between Climate Models and Reality. He is interested in seeing how Gavin Schmidt, who replaced James Hansen at the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), is carrying the torch. History shows that GISS readings are consistently higher than all other sources. It is just one indicator of the temperature adjustments made so the AGW hypothesis fits the political agenda.
Challenges and IPCC Fixes
How valid is the 2014 claim? In the 10,000 – year context, it is significant because it is among the 3 percent coldest years, which is far more significant than the 100-year warm alarmists proclaim. There are two major reasons: Highest readings occur in the most recent years of a rising temperature record. Every alteration, adjustment amendment and abridgment of the record so far, was done to create and emphasize increasingly higher temperatures.
1. The instrumental data is spatially and temporally inadequate. Surface weather data is virtually non-existent and unevenly distributed for 85 percent of the world’s surface. There are virtually none for 70 percent of the oceans. On the land, there is virtually no data for the 19 percent mountains, 20 percent desert, 20 percent boreal forest, 20 percent grasslands, and 6 percent tropical rain forest. In order to “fill-in”, the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), made the ridiculous claim that a single station temperature was representative of a 1200 km radius region. Initial claims of AGW were based on land-based data. The data is completely inadequate as the basis for constructing the models.
2. Most surface stations are concentrated in eastern North America and Western Europe and became the early evidence for human induced global warming. IPCC advocates ignored, for a long time, the fact that these stations are most affected by the urban heat island effect (UHIE).
The UHIE was one of the first challenges to the claim of AGW evidenced in the instrumental record. Two graphs produced by Warwick Hughes were the most effective and appeared in 1991, shortly after the first IPCC Report in 1990. Figure 2 shows temperature at six major Australian cities.
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Figure 2
A most likely explanation for the increasing UHIE, is expansion of the suburban area until it encompassed airport weather stations originally outside the city. The automobile made this possible. Figure 3 provides a comparison with 26 rural stations.
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Figure 3
The difference is marked. What is equally interesting is that temperatures were higher in the first part of the record from 1880 and 1900.
3. There is a consistent revision of the record to lower historic readings. This increases the gradient of supposed warming. It is apparent in the New Zealand record(Figure 4).
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Figure 4
A search of WUWT, using the term “Temperature adjustments”, yields a plethora of evidence. Every adjustment serves to change the gradient of the curve making today warmer than the past. Explanations, when given, usually provide little justification for the adjustment. The other tell tale sign is that virtually all adjustments occur before the UAH satellite temperature record began in 1991.
4. Policy anticipated that satellite data would replace the need for surface weather stations. As a result many weather stations were abandoned (Figure 5), or at least not included in the calculation of the global average.
“The figures below indicate
a the number of stations with record length at least N years as a function of N ,
b the number of reporting stations as a function of time,
c the percent of hemispheric area located within 1200km of a reporting station.”
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Figure 5
The number of surface stations was inadequate in 1960, but was further reduced in 1990. Notice that only approximately 1000 stations cover 100 years.
But how accurate can the global temperature be when Antarctica is omitted. Consider the IPCC conclusion

Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic GHG concentrations. It is likely that there has been significant anthropogenic warming over the past 50 years averaged over each continent (except Antarctic).
Antarctica is 14 million km2, an area almost equal to Russia, (17 million km2), the largest country on Earth.
Add to that the 14 million km2 of the Arctic Ocean, for which there is no data, as the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (ACIA) Report notes (Figure 6)
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Figure 6
Extent of these regions is one thing, their role in world climate is another, and arguably far more important than almost any other region.
6. Figure 6 shows that fewer stations are a contributing factor to higher temperatures.
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Figure 6
Stations NOAA used from the Global Historical Climate Network (GHCN) in Canada illustrate the problem. (Figure 7).
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Figure 7
There are 100 stations north of the Arctic Circle, but NOAA only uses Eureka, a known warm anomaly, to cover 1/3 of the second largest country on Earth. Even the 1200km measure doesn’t apply.
7. Alteration of the historic record includes the infamous hockey stick, in which a member of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) group is reported to have told Professor David Deming, “We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period? That involved creating the handle of the hockey stick. The blade was formed from CRU Director Phil Jones’ data that showed an increase of 0.6°C in approximately 120 years. The problem was the error factor was ±0.2°C or ±33 percent.
8. 20th century temperature trends begin with warming from 1900 to 1940, cooling from 1940 to 1980, warming from 1980 to 1998 and a slight cooling trend to 2014. Alarmists attributed the cooling to human addition of sulphate, but that failed when temperatures began to rise, with no decline in sulphate levels.
9. If we accept overall warming from 1900, which is reasonable as the Earth emerges from the Little Ice Age (LIA), then the highest temperatures will occur in the most recent record (Figure 8).
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Figure 8
Identifying that 2014 was fractionally warmer than any other in the record does not change the trend of the “pause”. It does not enhance the CO2 causation claim.
10. The claim is 2014 is 0.02°C warmer than any other year. It is reasonable to assume that the US temperature record is among the best. Anthony Watts showed that only 7.9 percent of US stations are accurate to < 1°C. (Figure 9)
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Figure 9
A Counter Headline Must Provide Perspective
Some form of the title for this article could work. “2014: Among the 3 percent Coldest Years in 10,000 year.” Figure 10 shows the Northern Hemisphere temperature for the period variously called the Climatic Optimum, the Hypsithermal, and the Holocene Optimum.
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The red line, added to the original diagram, imposes the approximate 20th century temperatures (right side) against those of the last 10,000 years. As CO2Science noted from Dahl-Jensen (1998),

After the termination of the glacial period, temperatures increased steadily to a maximum of 2.5°C warmer than at present during the Climatic Optimum (4,000 to 7,000 years ago).
The key phrase in the 2014 claim is, “in the record”, but that only covers approximately 100 years. In the climatologically meaningful 10,000-year context, it is among the coldest.
The claim that 2014 was the warmest on record was politically important for proponents of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) story that human CO2 was causing global warming. Central to that argument was the need to prove late 20th century temperatures were the “warmest ever”. This is why the 2014 claim conveniently appeared before the Conference of the Parties (COP) meeting in Lima Peru, at which the false IPCC claim was desperately promoted. Political importance of the measure was accentuated by the continued, 18+ years lack of increase in global temperature.
Evidence keeps contradicting the major assumptions of the anthropogenic global warming (AGW) hypothesis. As T.H. Huxley (1825 – 1895) said,

The great tragedy of science – the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact.
The problem is the facts keep piling up and the AGW proponents keep ignoring, diverting, or stick-handling (hockey terminology), their way round them. We know the science is wrong because the IPCC projections are wrong. Normal science requires re-examination of the hypothesis and its assumptions. The IPCC removed this option when they set out to prove the hypothesis. It put them on a treadmill of fixing the results, especially the temperature record. As Chinese General Tao Kan said, “It is like riding on the back of a tiger and finding it hard to get off.”
So true.
I shall post this on every thread they start, and see what they do. :D

 

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SInce LF's AGWTruthers continues to regurgitate their nonsense, I've decided to post a single article that does an excellent job of refuting what they claim. It proves why you can't believe a damn thing an AGWTruther claims or posts. Because they've manipulated the data and ignored or lied about anything they can't manipulate. Enjoy ….

tp://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/01/21/2014-among-the-3-percent-coldest-years-in-10000-yearttp://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/01/21/2014-among-the-3-percent-coldest-years-in-10000-years/

So true. I shall post this on every thread they start, and see what they do.

LOLOLOL......it's so hilarious that you still imagine that anyone pays any attention to the pseudo-science, lies, and misinformation appearing on the completely debunked fossil fuel industry propaganda outlet commonly called WattsUpMyButt. Nobody but denier cult retards read that deceptive tripe.

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LOLOLOL......it's so hilarious that you still imagine that anyone pays any attention to the pseudo-science, lies, and misinformation appearing on the completely debunked fossil fuel industry propaganda outlet commonly called WattsUpMyButt. Nobody but denier cult retards read that deceptive tripe.

I was expecting a little bigger swing. You kinda wilted and I was really pulling for you.

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So.....obviously the answer is yes....denier cultists are SOOOOOOO CRAZY.....

 

"And no challenge - no challenge - poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change."

The threat is not climate change its progressives who want to enslave you. Its about control to implement NWO. Now you'll never get a lunatic like pogo stick to admit it, but that is the end goal, has nothing to do with saving the planet.

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