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We will just spend another couple trillion and send troops every where. Trump said he will be the most militaristic President.

 

 

We are just getting started guys.

Trump will make war great again.

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That is the Republican way. Big waste. And eternal justification as the problems get worse not better.

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BeALoser and the Republican shills want to occupy every country indefinitely, but have no idea how they are going to pay for it.

 

They get mad when you ask them how they would pay for it.

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BeALoser and the Republican shills want to occupy every country indefinitely, but have no idea how they are going to pay for it.

 

They get mad when you ask them how they would pay for it.

your buddy Obama is expanding war

How do you feel about all the countries we are now in?

Latest being Syria

Start with that

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your buddy Obama is expanding war

How do you feel about all the countries we are now in?

Latest being Syria

Start with that

 

Obama has REDUCED war, shill.

 

You can't STAND it. Obama has a record of reducing war and you are proven wrong.

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ISIS has not gained ground in over a year now. And it makes BeALoser and the Republican shills so MAD!

 

Obama's strategy is WORKING!

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I agree and hopefully your message reaches where it needs to reach: The White House. Perry and McCain do not have the power to withdraw troops from anywhere. Obama does.

We mostly DID withdraw. Having INVESTED a $Trillion and blood...... we're still trying to HELP the locals fend of the Theocrats,Terrorists,etc. There's no GOOD option. We don't have hundreds of thousands of troops, huge Halliburton contracts. It's been McCain + Graham mostly who'd been hawks. Who knows what pops up next? We don't want to get dragged into a quagmire but don't want to retreat and let bad guys build power.

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your buddy Obama is expanding war

How do you feel about all the countries we are now in?

Latest being Syria

Start with that

So... tell us how many troops are in what place? FACT..... huge reductions despite a LOT of stuff to deal with. Syria? At best we may have a dozen guys on the ground helping Kurds fight ISIS. You need someone to call in the air strikes.

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So... tell us how many troops are in what place? FACT..... huge reductions despite a LOT of stuff to deal with. Syria? At best we may have a dozen guys on the ground helping Kurds fight ISIS. You need someone to call in the air strikes.

 

Right. We have reduced troops dramatically. native is just a shill.

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ISIS is waning. Obama's plans are working. And it makes the Republican shills so MAD!

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-bomb-attack-iraq-market-baghdad-target-shiites/

Dozens killed as bombs tear through packed markets

BAGHDAD -- A wave of bombings struck outdoor markets and a restaurant in Shiite-dominated neighborhoods of Baghdad on Tuesday, killing at least 69 people, officials said - the latest in deadly militant attacks far from the front lines in the country's north and west where Iraqi forces are battling the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

ISIS, which has been behind recent deadly attacks in the area, claimed responsibility for the deadliest attack, which took place in Baghdad's northeastern Shaab neighborhood and where at least 34 people were killed and 75 others were wounded.

… snip …

In that attack, a roadside bomb first exploded outside the concrete blast walls surrounding the open-air market, followed by a suicide bomber who blew himself up as people gathered to help the victims of the first explosion, a police officer said.

… snip …

Later Tuesday, officials said a second car bombing struck an outdoor market in the city's south, killing at least eight people. That explosion hit a fruit-and-vegetable market in the Shiite-dominated neighborhood of Dora.

The police say the Dora explosion also wounded 22 people.

In Baghdad's sprawling eastern Shiite district of Sadr City, a suicide car bombing hit a crowded outdoor market, killing 18 people and wounding 35 others.

In northeast Baghdad, a suicide bomber targeted a restaurant in the Habibiya neighborhood, killing nine and wounding 18.

… snip …

Earlier Tuesday, Iraqi oil workers resumed work at a natural gas plant north of Baghdad, two days after a coordinated dawn assault by ISIS left at least 14 people dead there, a senior Oil Ministry official said.

Sunday's spectacular attack in the town of Taji, about 12 miles north of Baghdad, saw a suicide car bombing at the facility's main gate, followed by several ISIS fighters breaking into the plant where they clashed with security forces for hours before the attackers were repelled.

The dead included six civilians and eight security forces while 27 Iraqi troops were wounded. Closed-circuit television images showed an explosion that sent thick black smoke rising above the plant. As flames engulfed the facility and nearby palm trees, pedestrians were seen running for cover. The top of one of the gas-processing units was blown off.


Don't worry ... sWill assures us that we are winning.

Meanwhile ...

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-skeptics/isis-getting-america-stuck-iraq-again-16221

Around one month ago, I chronicled the exasperating reality of the U.S. military’s relegation to operational hand-holding in Iraq. Sure enough, as more time passes, the magnitude of the challenges therein is becoming clearer. Recent events like the (mostly peaceful and brief) occupation of the Iraqi parliament by followers of prominent Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr are illustrative of the political disarray gripping Baghdad. This disorganization has been an utter albatross in the campaign to clear the so-called Islamic State (ISIS) from the north and west of the country, particularly their stronghold of Mosul.

Unfortunately, the U.S. military is now being reluctantly dragged into sectarian squabbles as various regional leaders (i.e., those with tangible power in the area, unlike the government in Baghdad) jockey for control of specific territories. The United States thus finds itself trapped in the middle of messy combat politics without much leverage. The Obama administration’s justifiable reluctance to commit many thousands of troops to the mission of driving ISIS firmly back underground while stabilizing the country (effectively doing the Iraqi security forces’ job for them) means that this problem will persist for some time to come. This makes the current mission creep there that much more concerning, as there is little more than serious headaches and enormous financial burdens ahead.

Amongst other challenges, the United States is coming up short in the Iraqi public-relations arena. Incredibly, as much as one-third of the Iraqi civilian population believes that the United States is supporting ISIS or terrorism in general. Given the significant budget already devoted to positive messaging on the United States’ role in Iraq, its failure to make much headway amongst a general population long skeptical of its role there does not bode well for future diplomacy or security operations. That problem will only be exacerbated if the U.S. and Iraqi security forces are forced to further delay their beleaguered operation to retake Mosul from ISIS. There is a growing recognition that any tactical military gains in ISIS-controlled territory will be for naught without the strong domestic political and institutional support needed to ensure the area doesn’t regress into the fractured tribalism that allowed ISIS to thrive in the first place. Policymakers and military leaders in Baghdad and Washington are thus left with the extremely unappetizing options of either leaving the citizens of Mosul languishing under Islamic State control or moving forward with the liberation of the city without any coherent plan for governing it thereafter.

This raises a number of questions about the U.S. military’s role in the country in the near-term future. Its ostensible mission is to “advise and assist” the Iraqi government security forces so that they can take over full responsibility for internal security and the fight against ISIS. But historical precedent illustrates that this will be an interminable task. One need only look at the images of ISIS fighters using U.S.-supplied Iraqi military gear easily captured in their Mosul offensive to see that the considerable time and effort already devoted to this mission between 2003 and 2011 already appears wasted. Pair those images with the reports from the military advisors in the country of the Iraqi troops’ incredulousness at the idea of Iraqis, not Americans, leading the ground offensive against ISIS, and the mission becomes even more unpalatable. Can we expect the current training mission to be any more effective or expedient than the previous eight-year effort? Even if it successfully produces more competent and efficient Iraqi security forces, can the various political factions agree enough to form a central government which can effectively manage and direct them? (All signs point to “no,” or at least not anytime soon.)

The odiousness of ISIS and the inherent moral clarity of the campaign against it have allowed the Obama administration’s steady troop buildup in Iraq to continue relatively unabated. But as these U.S. troops become more involved in the fight and combat casualties continue to mount, questions about a viable exit strategy will undoubtedly begin to flow in earnest. Indeed, as recently as the end of March, lawmakers on Capitol Hill were pushing administration officials in charge of overseeing the anti-ISIS campaign for answers on this front. The answers from retired Gen. John Allen were not promising. When the best answer of the official in charge of overseeing the coalition efforts against ISIS is, “There’s no exit strategy for this. This is about dealing with Daesh [an Arabic name for ISIS]. This is about defeating Daesh. The success of the strategy is not about exit,” there is considerable cause for concern.

Achieving stability in Iraq will be a quandary for the rest of the Obama presidency and well into the next administration. The United States cannot be too singularly focused on the elimination of one single terrorist pseudo-state without addressing the systemic issues which begat it. Policymakers should understand that the current mission to “degrade and ultimately destroy” ISIS is most likely to succeed in pushing it back underground in Iraq, rather than effectively eliminating it (as it expands elsewhere in places like Libya and Afghanistan). Iraq will still be an extremely volatile place with political instability borne of mismanagement, ethnic and sectarian division, and a depressed economy. The sooner policymakers start working on answers to the challenges in addressing these issues, and evaluating whether the American public even has the faintest appetite for that commitment, the better.


But again, don’t worry, ISIS is just “junior varsity”.

We have Obama’s word on that.

 

And I'm sure sWill concurs.

:rolleyes:

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One attack? All year? 34 people? We have them reduced to that?

 

It makes you so MAD!

 

I know you are really rooting for ISIS because a Democrat is in the White House, but you should stop supporting terrorists.

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Don’t worry … sWill assures us that ISIS is being rolled back as we speak.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/homeland-security-official-isis-training-terrorists-south-border-help-mexican-drug-cartels/

Homeland Security Official: ISIS Training Terrorists South of Border With Help from Mexican Drug Cartels

A top ranking Homeland Security official says Mexican drug cartels are helping ISIS sneak across the southern border to scope out targets for terrorist attacks. ISIS operative Shaykh Mahmood Omar Khabir has reportedly been training militants near the US border near Ciudad Juarez for the past year.

Khabir actually brags in an Italian newspaper article published last week that the border region is so open that he “could get in with a handful of men, and kill thousands of people in Texas or in Arizona in the space of a few hours.”

… snip …

Foreign Affairs Secretary Claudia Ruiz, Mexico’s top diplomat, told the Italian newspaper the Obama administration and media are “culpably neglecting this phenomenon.”


But don’t worry.

 

Especially if you’re like sWill and live about as far as one can get from a border in the US.

 

Worry just means your “mad”.


One attack? All year? 34 people? We have them reduced to that?

 

Obviously sWill made no attempt to actually read what I posted or have any connection with the REAL WORLD.

 

Maybe because he has no worries. :rolleyes:

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Dont worry sWill assures us that ISIS is being rolled back as we speak.

 

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/homeland-security-official-isis-training-terrorists-south-border-help-mexican-drug-cartels/

 

 

But dont worry.

 

Especially if youre like sWill and live about as far as one can get from a border in the US.

 

Worry just means your mad.

 

 

Obviously sWill made no attempt to actually read what I posted or have any connection with the REAL WORLD.

 

Maybe because he has no worries. :rolleyes:

so who's taxes are you going to cut to pay for the defense?

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He just wants to sensationalize ISIS to scare people into spending more on military and neglecting our needs at home.

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ISIS is in steep decline. And it makes BeALoser and the Republican shills so MAD!

 

Obama's plan is WORKING!

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ISIS is waning. They have lost territory for over a year now. And it makes BeALoser and the Republican shills so MAD!

 

Obama's strategy is working without troops on the ground.

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Neocons like Rick Perry and John McCain want our troops to be everywhere forever. We can't afford the obligations we currently have overseas, much less protracted battles in all four corners of the globe.

 

We have problems to address here at home, like the debt, infrastructure, the borders, and Social Security solvency. We would be wise to focus our money at home for a while so we can get caught up on things here.

Your point of view is that of a foreigner.

 

Americans look at our presence overseas as protecting our vital interests, not as our trying to be everywhere.

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Your point of view is that of a foreigner.

 

Americans look at our presence overseas as protecting our vital interests, not as our trying to be everywhere.

 

Only wasteful Republicans look at our presence overseas as protecting our vital interests. We neglect our needs at home too much.

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Only wasteful Republicans look at our presence overseas as protecting our vital interests. We neglect our needs at home too much.

Only immature shills can't see that we can and must watch out for our vital interests at home as well as abroad.

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Only immature shills can't see that we can and must watch out for our vital interests at home as well as abroad.

 

Republicans want to overdo it overseas.

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