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I'm very far left on the political spectrum, I would consider myself a democratic socialist, but there is a single conservative ideal that I agree with, I'm against abortion. This is mostly due to my belief in biocentrism, I feel that all life has value. Is there any conservative concept you agree with?

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I agree with two conservative platforms. First, I think we should not tamper with the 2nd amendment - in any way. I hate guns. For me. But I don't feel I have the right to impose my beliefs on those who choose to own guns. Also because the government - both parties - goes overboard on everything - zero tolerance? A five-year old can't kiss a little girl without being labeled as a sex offender. When government starts putting laws on the books, common sense goes out the window, and I think if we start playing with gun laws, sooner or later, it may be watered down to the point where we lose gun rights.

 

The other platform I agree with (to a point) is securing our borders. At the same time, it is necessary to initiate a comprehensive immigration policy so that immigrants can live and work in the U.S. without years of red tape.

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I'm not sure this qualifies (since sometimes it seems to me that conservatives don't consistently support this conservative perspective, themselves, when it doesn't benefit them personally), but I agree with conservative ideals regarding protection of intellectual property rights. I find self-serving rationalizations for software, music and video piracy to be scurrilous and unworthy of regard. I find complaints which include insinuations that there is some unfairness in pricing for discretionary purchases like cable television, as if determinations of effective competition don't apply because the market considered isn't limited to the complainer's own personal situation.

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no none at all, for me, any conservative idea are bad.

 

 

I'm very far left on the political spectrum, I would consider myself a democratic socialist, but there is a single conservative ideal that I agree with, I'm against abortion. This is mostly due to my belief in biocentrism, I feel that all life has value. Is there any conservative concept you agree with?

 

you say you are agaisnt abortion, but an you find me a doctor, whose goal in life is to do the most abortion possible in the shortest ammount of time possible, long life abortion, I say no, in the medical field, we do not search for the best solution, we search for the lesser evil, abortion is better then death or death-born child or then depression, there is really few woman who abort for fun... there is no fun in abortion.

 

Abortion is a solution in face of an unwanted pregnancy, as simple as that.

 

I consider myself as a libertarian communist.

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Yes; slavery is wrong.

 

A concept that wasn't conservative. Back then, the Republicans were progressives.

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I believe in abortion until brain development. I can't even imagine abortion afterwards, but I don't feel it is my place to control other people in any way. We all have to make our own choices.

 

I agree with a couple of conservative ideals. At no time should guns be an issue. Just get it off the table - let the 2nd Amendment alone. Because as SOON as laws are on the books, ALL government bodies immediately go overboard with it, then all common sense goes out the window.

 

I also believe in shoring up our borders - whatever it takes. But we need to expedite the immigration system so that people who want to live/work here don't have to wait 10 years for all the red tape. A background check - then green card - probationary period to citizenship.

 

Fiscally, I don't even know. Because when a Democrat is in the White House, the Republicans accuse them of 'tax and spend.' Yet when a Republican is in the White House, they DO spend more money on infrastructure, etc. I've gone back through each president, and the Republicans DID spend more. It's easy to check.

I think that it is a governmental responsibility to "promote the general welfare" of the population. This does not mean big government. This means that there are more vulnerable people than powerful people, and in order for us to progress as a society, we have to make sure that the greedy don't take advantage of the vulnerable. Capitalism is great - with regulations.

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A concept that wasn't conservative. Back then, the Republicans were progressives.

The Republican party was founded specifically to stop the expansion of slavery.

 

Sorry, you don't just get to change history because it's become inconvienent to remember.

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The Republican party was founded specifically to stop the expansion of slavery.

 

Sorry, you don't just get to change history because it's become inconvienent to remember.

 

What silly nonsense. The party was founded specifically to oppose slavery, not just stop its expansion. Anti-slavery is a liberal concept. Conservatives, of the time, were the Democrats, who opposed changes to the status quo, who opposed progress toward a more compassionate society for Americans of all races. Republicans opposed the use of slave labor, because it undercut the value of work. Another liberal idea. Republicans opposed the ability rich landowners had to snap up all the valuable land without a fair opportunity for less fortunate citizens to own valuable land. Yet another liberal idea.

 

Sorry, you don't just get to pervert the meanings of words because it's become inconvenient to use them correctly.

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Conservatism is dead.

 

But the idea behind conservatism is not, to preserve and protect. The problem is that

we have developed a world where things change, and there is a Darwinian side to change.

Adapt or get smushed.

 

Which means the impulse conservatives have to resist change is one of the worst things you could do.

The only way to preserve is to adapt to change. Which means Progressives are the new Conservatives.

I sometimes have a dry sense of humor.

 

The one thing I like about conservatism (the real thing, not the fake stuff you see today) is the idea

that we have an obligation to protect society.

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Even protection of society is a liberal perspective, not a conservative one, as the terms are used today. The conservative view would shift the burden of protection on to each individual in society looking out for their own interests effectively giving society over to the most powerful. Meanwhile, liberals are those who value the interdependent web of society highly enough to wish to foster protection of society itself as a integral unit.

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The Republican party was founded specifically to stop the expansion of slavery.

 

Sorry, you don't just get to change history because it's become inconvienent to remember.

The Whigs split over slavery. The Northern wing reformed into the Republican party.

That isn't quite the same as saying it was founded to stop the expansion. They

formed because they needed a party to represent their interests. Fighting the expansion was one

of those interests.

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Yes, very true. There was indeed more to the founding of the party than just the slavery issue. Good point.

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The conservative view would shift the burden of protection on to each individual in society looking out for their own interests...

That is libertarian.

 

They advocate radical change, which by definition is the opposite of conservatism.

I will have to do a post about them at some point.

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There is no question that conservatism, as the term is used today, has been greatly corrupted by the worst aspects of libertarianism. Very true. Conservatism is no surely no longer about maintaining the status quo, but is focused heavily on rolling back societal progress of the last generation.

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There is no question that conservatism, as the term is used today, has been greatly corrupted by the worst aspects of libertarianism. Very true. Conservatism is no surely no longer about maintaining the status quo, but is focused heavily on rolling back societal progress of the last generation.

and the generation before that, and then the generation before that...

 

and some want to go back to where we were before the Civil War.

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Though, of course, they won't admit it, since they realize that doing so would undercut the support they garner from weak-minded sycophants. It's part of the general avoidance of addressing issues in terms of the impact on those most vulnerable in society. Conservatives, these days, see life as a power play, and set aside basic human decency in their efforts to foster the winners-and-losers scenario within which they're on the winning side. The deliberate efforts to blind themselves to the adverse effect of their perspectives on those most vulnerable in society is a defense mechanism against their experiencing normal, reasonable, moral human reactions of disgust with respect to the offensive nature of that which they support.

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Yes (partially). I think the federal government needs to have a more balanced budget. I don't know if they can ever really balance their budget, but they should be a lot closer than 17 trillion dollars. Of course the party that claims they are for that, also claims "no increase in taxes" which means they can never balance the federal budget. And they are also the ones that prosecuted two wars without paying for them. And by "balance" the budget I do not mean shutting down the government or cutting out any of the departments of government.

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A fair question that any human should be able to ask...

 

 

Nice debate going on here as I glanced at it.. Could you ever think of asking a slave "Do You Feel Like We Do?"

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A concept that wasn't conservative. Back then, the Republicans were progressives.

 

Slavery is very conservative. It is an ancient method that even has the Bibles approval...

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I agree with conservatives on tobacco policy. I like cigarettes, cigars and smokeless tobacco being barely taxed so I could afford them. I like going to bars that allow smoking inside and smelling the smoke.

 

I agree with conservatives on energy policy. Liberals want me to pay more for gas with higher gas taxes and lack of drilling.

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The 'Preservatives' only want to maintain the power they have acheived and sell out often to keep it.

 

That, to me, is conservatism.

 

Conservativism, however, is the philosophy of conserving the morals and constitutional traditions of the American way of life.

 

That doesn't seem so bad, as long as the gov't stays out of my bedroom (consenting adults), my kitchen (Moochele) and my medicine cabinet. (pot).

 

This is my liberalism ... freedom.

 

There is one conservative ideal I like, The FairTax.

 

This is a sales tax to replace income tax and repealing the wholly unfair 16th amendment.

 

What could be more fair then the same sales tax for everyone.

 

Congress already has the rights to taxation, just like tobacco and fuel taxes.

 

It would be their job to determine taxes, and manipulate us, on any specific class of products they wish.

 

Low taxes on condoms and high taxes on ammunition.

 

Make love not war?

 

Two bits.

 

KJ

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What silly nonsense. The party was founded specifically to oppose slavery, not just stop its expansion. Anti-slavery is a liberal concept. Conservatives, of the time, were the Democrats, who opposed changes to the status quo, who opposed progress toward a more compassionate society for Americans of all races. Republicans opposed the use of slave labor, because it undercut the value of work. Another liberal idea. Republicans opposed the ability rich landowners had to snap up all the valuable land without a fair opportunity for less fortunate citizens to own valuable land. Yet another liberal idea.

 

Sorry, you don't just get to pervert the meanings of words because it's become inconvenient to use them correctly.

This is all silly. Conservative of back then is very different from a modern conservative. This is just a faulty logic deriving from the usage of concrete language. Liberals today are also very different from liberals of the civil war period. Were you on favor of 2/3rds vote for blacks because of their obvious inferiority?

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Back to the OP, I look to the constitution as to where we went wrong.

 

Things like constitutionally outlawing alcohol?

 

Only after a world war and a flu epidemic could such a silly idea survive.

 

And income taxes, and the whoreing out of the senate to the popular vote.

 

Totally corrupting a completely successful system.

 

And don't get me started on lowering the voting age.

 

We go from 'free men of property' all the way to children still in school and living at home.

 

Pretty soon we'll be voting for the guy w/ the best hair.

 

KJ

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