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A question for the Libertarians:

 

Have you ever considered that for every one of you libertarian gun-toting keyboard commandos out there posting from the public library and utilizing myriad public services, all the while claiming to live “off-the-grid”, and who want to dismantle the greatest and most humane government in the history of mankind …. that there are a hundred urban, suburban, and small town Moms and Dads and who want safe and excellent public schools for their kids; sane firearms regulations; social safety-net programs for the poor, disabled, and elderly; affordable health care for everyone regardless of ability to pay; job training for those who need it; affordable college educations for their children; humane prisons; law enforcement that actually serves and protects; safe food & pharmaceuticals; disease control; affordable and safe public transportation systems; clean air and water; accountability for capitalistic enterprises; protected and accessible national parks, forests, seashores, and wilderness areas; clean air and water; protection for endangered species; economic opportunity for all, not just the favored few; a right sized military; a government that promotes peace and prosperity around the world rather than war and exploitation; protection of the civil liberties & equal rights of everyone; religious and cultural tolerance; humane immigration policies; etc

 

And they want their government to have a role in these things.

 

And you wonder why Libertarianism can never seem to get off the ground with the American public.

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Stupid straw man argument.

 

Hey do you libs realize that for all your desire to create a repressive communist state and stick everyone in gulags, there are millions of families that just want the freedom to spend some of their hard earned money on their children?

 

See, I can do that too.

 

God, liberal arguments are like a five year old is thinking for the first time.

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This is fun. Let me try another.

 

Do you libs realize that for all your desire to destroy the health US healthcare system, there are millions of moms that just want to be able to take their children to the doctor when they get sick?

 

And you wonder why liberalism can't work.

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Hey do the libs realize that for all their bloodlust for slaughtering babies before they have a chance to be born, there a millions of women whose greatest dream in life is to raise a child?

 

 

I think you get my point. I've never met a libertarian that wants to dismantle the government. How would that be in an individual's rational self interest. Governments are necessary to ensure liberty.

 

When you start off with an absurd assumption, you discredit yourself right off the bat, and you look stupid.

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Do you libs realize that for all your desire to destroy the health US healthcare system, there are millions of moms that just want to be able to take their children to the doctor when they get sick?

 

 

 

That's why I support National Health Care for all so people who need care can get the care they need regardless of ability to pay or for-profit insurance company regulations/restrictions/rationing.

Hey do the libs realize that for all their bloodlust for slaughtering babies before they have a chance to be born, there a millions of women whose greatest dream in life is to raise a child?

 

 

I suppose it's my "bloodlust for slaughtering babies" that caused me to adopt two children, be a proponent of increased funding for adoption services, and to actively counsel against abortion.

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Hey do the libs realize that for all their bloodlust for slaughtering babies before they have a chance to be born, there a millions of women whose greatest dream in life is to raise a child?

 

 

I think you get my point. I've never met a libertarian that wants to dismantle the government. How would that be in an individual's rational self interest. Governments are necessary to ensure liberty.

 

When you start off with an absurd assumption, you discredit yourself right off the bat, and you look stupid.

Check and mate!

 

That's why I support National Health Care for all so people who need care can get the care they need regardless of ability to pay or for-profit insurance company regulations/restrictions/rationing.

 

That's why I adopted two children, am a proponent of increased funding for adoption services, and actively counsel against abortion.

Get out of my pocket and I will pay for my own healthcare. That would make no sense to you would it?

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Hey do you libs realize that for all your desire to create a repressive communist state and stick everyone in gulags, there are millions of families that just want the freedom to spend some of their hard earned money on their children?

 

 

The gulags are the tens of thousands of people in prisons for non-violent drug crimes.

 

The gulags are the millions mired in poverty that conservatives want to cut government services that would help them lift themselves up.

 

The gulags are the millions without access to health care, cannot afford it, or could not until the ACA even get insurance due to a pre-existing conditions.

 

The gulags are conservative tax policies that would have the wealthy pay little to no taxes while those struggling just to get would be ordered to pay their "fair share."

 

This is fun ... I could go on & on.

Check and mate!

Get out of my pocket and I will pay for my own healthcare.

 

And what of those who are unable? Screw them I suppose.

 

(remember ... there are a hundred out there for every one of you)

 

I think you get my point. I've never met a libertarian that wants to dismantle the government. How would that be in an individual's rational self interest. Governments are necessary to ensure liberty.

 

 

Balderdash. Libertarians want to dismantle huge portions of the Federal government. Social Security, FDA, EPA, etc etc etc ...... need I post you links to conservative libertarian websites that advocate the abolition of dozens of Federal agencies?

 

Face it .... the libertarian ideology of slashing the size of government is not one shared by the vast majority of Americans.

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A question for the Libertarians:

 

Have you ever considered that for every one of you libertarian gun-toting keyboard commandos out there posting from the public library and utilizing myriad public services, all the while claiming to live off-the-grid, and who want to dismantle the greatest and most humane government in the history of mankind . that there are a hundred urban, suburban, and small town Moms and Dads and who want safe and excellent public schools for their kids; sane firearms regulations; social safety-net programs for the poor, disabled, and elderly; affordable health care for everyone regardless of ability to pay; job training for those who need it; affordable college educations for their children; humane prisons; law enforcement that actually serves and protects; safe food & pharmaceuticals; disease control; affordable and safe public transportation systems; clean air and water; accountability for capitalistic enterprises; protected and accessible national parks, forests, seashores, and wilderness areas; clean air and water; protection for endangered species; economic opportunity for all, not just the favored few; a right sized military; a government that promotes peace and prosperity around the world rather than war and exploitation; protection of the civil liberties & equal rights of everyone; religious and cultural tolerance; humane immigration policies; etc

 

And they want their government to have a role in these things.

 

And you wonder why Libertarianism can never seem to get off the ground with the American public.

do you even have a CLUE about what libertarianism even is?? obviously not.

 

libertarianism is about personal responsibility withOUT laws. if you had the slightest clue, you would be pushing libertarianism instead of your mockery which is in fact slavery via laws

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The gulags are the tens of thousands of people in prisons for non-violent drug crimes.

 

The gulags are the millions mired in poverty that conservatives want to cut government services that would help them lift themselves up.

 

The gulags are the millions without access to health care, cannot afford it, or could not until the ACA even get insurance due to a pre-existing conditions.

 

The gulags are conservative tax policies that would have the wealthy pay little to no taxes while those struggling just to get would be ordered to pay their "fair share."

 

This is fun ... I could go on & on.

 

 

And what of those who are unable? Screw them I suppose.

 

(remember ... there are a hundred out there for every one of you)

 

 

Balderdash. Libertarians want to dismantle huge portions of the Federal government. Social Security, FDA, EPA, etc etc etc ...... need I post you links to conservative libertarian websites that advocate the abolition of dozens of Federal agencies?

 

Face it .... the libertarian ideology of slashing the size of government is not one shared by the vast majority of Americans.

And again, your logical and argumentative fallacies. Liberals are about concensus. You are tacitly saying libertarians don't have the right to hold our beliefs because those beliefs are opposed by the adult children in our society.

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And again, your logical and argumentative fallacies. Liberals are about concensus. You are tacitly saying libertarians don't have the right to hold our beliefs because those beliefs are opposed by the adult children in our society.

 

Stop being paranoid, Mister Vin. Check the OP again, I never said or even intimated libertarians don't have a "right" to their beliefs.

 

You'll note what I said is that anti-government sentiments are not held by the majority of the people, because they are wrongheaded.

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Here's the thing: if you want to hand over half of your wealth to this monster that is clearly and definitively *not* looking out for your best interests in exchange for both slavery and constant danger, you do you.

 

However, when you want to impose that on everybody else because you think it's right, or because it's what you want (even if 51% of the population agrees with you), it's selfish, immoral, and definitely un-Christian. Can't you see why that might make some people angry?

 

You'll note what I said is that anti-government sentiments are not held by the majority of the people, because they are wrongheaded.

 

 

Also, please stop with this dangerous lie you're promoting. In order for people to have an informed opinion, they HAVE TO BE INFORMED FIRST. Most of our population is unaware of the troubles our society faces LET ALONE how our government works LET ALONE what our government is! To think we have a representative government without a sufficiently educated populace is ignorant, and to use that as proof of your "rightness" is flat-out deceitful.

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Stop being paranoid, Mister Vin. Check the OP again, I never tsaid or even intimated libertarians don't have a "right" to their beliefs.

 

You'll note what I said is that anti-government sentiments are not held by the majority of the people, because they are wrongheaded.

paranoia? Obviously you do not understand your own words.

 

the majority of americans also have iq's ten points above high functioning retarded. you have said nothing, other that to illustrate yoyr massive ignorance about leadership

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Stop being paranoid, Mister Vin. Check the OP again, I never said or even intimated libertarians don't have a "right" to their beliefs.

 

You'll note what I said is that anti-government sentiments are not held by the majority of the people, because they are wrongheaded.

That is an opinion. So what? Do we need to list the myriads evils done by government? Governments are the number one killer of innocents worldwide. That is not an opinion. That is a demonstrable fact. Over 110 million innocent people have been killed by government since the beginning of the 20th century, and yet all you ever cry for is more of that. Well pardon me if that is not the kind of progress I seek.

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A question for the Libertarians:

 

Have you ever considered that for every one of you libertarian gun-toting keyboard commandos out there posting from the public library and utilizing myriad public services, all the while claiming to live “off-the-grid”, and who want to dismantle the greatest and most humane government in the history of mankind …. that there are a hundred urban, suburban, and small town Moms and Dads and who want safe and excellent public schools for their kids; sane firearms regulations; social safety-net programs for the poor, disabled, and elderly; affordable health care for everyone regardless of ability to pay; job training for those who need it; affordable college educations for their children; humane prisons; law enforcement that actually serves and protects; safe food & pharmaceuticals; disease control; affordable and safe public transportation systems; clean air and water; accountability for capitalistic enterprises; protected and accessible national parks, forests, seashores, and wilderness areas; clean air and water; protection for endangered species; economic opportunity for all, not just the favored few; a right sized military; a government that promotes peace and prosperity around the world rather than war and exploitation; protection of the civil liberties & equal rights of everyone; religious and cultural tolerance; humane immigration policies; etc

 

And they want their government to have a role in these things.

 

And you wonder why Libertarianism can never seem to get off the ground with the American public.

I can't stand Libertarians. They are a collection of clowns that will never be taken serious. Here is how they think. The would rather vote for a Libertarian candidate that they know will lose and get a democrat into office than vote for a republican. They are willing to shoot them selves in the foot to spite someone else. They are wackjobs with no future.

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The libs need to realize that there are 10s of millions of americans who want to be left alone. They want to be free of gov interference in even the most trivial of their pursuits. Libs want an all powerful gov where everyone must conform to the standards that libs set. The libs feel that they know what is best for all of us in every possible way. Libs take away freedom in the name of equality. I want my guns. I do not want to support untold generations of welfare leeches. I do not need my soda pop to be regulated by size. I want to pursue my own idea of happiness and do not appreciate libs TRYING to tax me into conformity. I live in one of the most liberal (if not the most liberal) states in the country. The state just gives money away here. I DO NOT PAY FOR IT. The amount of freedom lost in the USA over the last 40 years is staggering. My vote does not count in this socialist paradise. I have voted and will continue to vote for the Tea party endorsed candidates. If a libertarian makes the ballot in any election i vote in i will give the libertarian my vote. I want freedom from the fed. gov.

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I can't stand Libertarians. They are a collection of clowns that will never be taken serious. Here is how they think. The would rather vote for a Libertarian candidate that they know will lose and get a democrat into office than vote for a republican. They are willing to shoot them selves in the foot to spite someone else. They are wackjobs with no future.

yes. considering how corrupt both parties are and the massive disinformation of the msm, folks standing on actual principles as libertarians do seemd odd

The libs need to realize that there are 10s of millions of americans who want to be left alone. They want to be free of gov interference in even the most trivial of their pursuits. Libs want an all powerful gov where everyone must conform to the standards that libs set. The libs feel that they know what is best for all of us in every possible way. Libs take away freedom in the name of equality. I want my guns. I do not want to support untold generations of welfare leeches. I do not need my soda pop to be regulated by size. I want to pursue my own idea of happiness and do not appreciate libs TRYING to tax me into conformity. I live in one of the most liberal (if not the most liberal) states in the country. The state just gives money away here. I DO NOT PAY FOR IT. The amount of freedom lost in the USA over the last 40 years is staggering. My vote does not count in this socialist paradise. I have voted and will continue to vote for the Tea party endorsed candidates. If a libertarian makes the ballot in any election i vote in i will give the libertarian my vote. I want freedom from the fed. gov.

remember the backlash from millions of citizens over the duck dynasty miscalculation? Libs over estimate their influence, and under estimate the true feeling of america

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Sure those things would be nice to have but government is not the entity that can provide them.

 

That's where you are incorrect. Not only are those things "nice to have" ... but we do have them. Already. You say it can't work ... but there it is - staring you in the face - working every day for you and me. Sure there are inefficiencies - sure there can be problems with funding things sustainably from time to time - things need to be improved & refined in many of our government services - we can always do better - those are problems to be solved and solutions can and will be found .... but fact is government is the entity that provides those services and a majority of Americans want it that way as evidenced by the way they vote.

 

Throwing the babies out with the bathwater is not a solution. It's running away from the problems. Run for President on a platform of eliminating Social Security, the FDA, the EPA, etc etc & see how far you get. 2% of the vote if you are lucky.

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That's where you are incorrect. Not only are those things "nice to have" ... but we do have them. Already. You say it can't work ... but there it is staring you in the face, working every day for you. Sure there are inefficiencies - sure there can be problems with funding things sustainably from time to time - things need to be improved & refined in many of our government services - we can always do better - those are problems to be solved and solutions can and will be found .... but fact is government is the entity that provides those services and a majority of Americans want it that way as evidenced by the way they vote.

 

But throwing the babies out with the bathwater is not a solution. It's running away from the problem. Run for President on a platform of eliminating Social Security, the FDA, the EPA, etc etc & see how far you get. 2% of the vote if you are lucky.

once again, the average iq in merica puts the majority at ten points higher than high functioning retarded do you have any idea what " leadership" is or means?

 

Your idiot position suggests if the majority of smericsns think child molestation is good, we should allow that. THINK!!

 

LEADERSHIP is moral input from those we follow and we do follow folks we deem superior to us. YOUR idiot scheme thinks its moral to pay ppl for failure. that it is moral to set up inequalities, inequalities i add naturally attack society.

 

THIS is why we do NOT live in s democrscy. democracy is MOB RULE! We live in a constitutional republic. same thingehen you idiots argue for moral relativism.that too is mob rule. what is wrong today is right tomorrow and visa versa. why? Because the demonstrated unintelligent mob SAYS so. lol!!!

 

And u wonder why i know u to be the enemy

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yes. considering how corrupt both parties are and the massive disinformation of the msm, folks standing on actual principles as libertarians do seemd odd

 

remember the backlash from millions of citizens over the duck dynasty miscalculation? Libs over estimate their influence, and under estimate the true feeling of america

Yes both parties are corrupt and so will libertarians when they get the chance. It is human nature. The difference is Libertarians are nuts to start with so they will be crazy and corrupt if they get control. I'll stay with just corrupt. Yeah it sucks but what are we to do?

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once again, the average iq in merica puts the majority at ten points higher than high functioning retarded do you have any idea what " leadership" is or means?

 

Your idiot position suggests if the majority of smericsns think child molestation is good, we should allow that. THINK!!

 

LEADERSHIP is moral input from those we follow and we do follow folks we deem superior to us. YOUR idiot scheme thinks its moral to pay ppl for failure. that it is moral to set up inequalities, inequalities i add naturally attack society.

 

THIS is why we do NOT live in s democrscy. democracy is MOB RULE! We live in a constitutional republic. same thingehen you idiots argue for moral relativism.that too is mob rule. what is wrong today is right tomorrow and visa versa. why? Because the demonstrated unintelligent mob SAYS so. lol!!!

 

And u wonder why i know u to be the enemy

 

I daresay I have a little more faith in people than you do.

 

(here's a tip .... looking down on people won't get you any votes either)

 

"everybody's got to have somebody to look down on.

Who they can feel better than at anytime they please.

Someone doin' somethin' dirty, decent folks can frown on.

If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me."

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbsz6uzqZVo

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