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In almost every poll I've seen since 2010, including exit polls.

 

The republicans and independents favor the Republican candidate.

 

The combined total of Republicans + Independents is greater than the total number of Democrats.

 

How, then, do Democrats win elections?

 

 

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In almost every poll I've seen since 2010, including exit polls.

 

The republicans and independents favor the Republican candidate.

 

The combined total of Republicans + Independents is greater than the total number of Democrats.

 

How, then, do Democrats win elections?

 

control the media, and have dead ppl vote

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In almost every poll I've seen since 2010, including exit polls.

 

The republicans and independents favor the Republican candidate.

 

The combined total of Republicans + Independents is greater than the total number of Democrats.

 

How, then, do Democrats win elections?

 

 

 

Likely the polls you are looking at are flawed in some way or other (some intentionally and some unintentionally.)

 

My education & experience in politics and sociology has taught me that the American people by & large are centrists, whether they are aware of that on an individual basis or not. That want a mix of big-government and government services/programs; regulated capitalism/free markets; and individual liberty within reasonable limits of the safety & security of self and others.

 

Funny it is that, while I tend to place myself as within the broad liberal tent, many of my liberal friends consider me to be a moderate or centrist and a few even brand me as conservative (generally because of my position on so--called gay marriage.) At the same time most of my conservative friends consider me to be a run-of-the-mill generic liberal, and a few of them brand me a far left liberal "whacko." It doesn't bother me either way.

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In almost every poll I've seen since 2010, including exit polls.

 

The republicans and independents favor the Republican candidate.

 

The combined total of Republicans + Independents is greater than the total number of Democrats.

 

How, then, do Democrats win elections?

 

 

Maybe people start having second thoughts once they are in the voting booth and decide to vote for Democrats.

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The Democrats have Santa Clause, that is socialist on the left spend many trillions of dollars out of the public treasure buying the votes of the core Democrat dependency voters. Most people vote for Democrats to get free stuff from the government paid for by other people. Most people know that this is morally repugnant, that theft is wrong, but in the privacy of the voting booth there is no one present to witness a man's character flaws and a great many people just don't care that much that their Obama phone, food stamps, housing voucher, energy voucher, medical insurance, social security, et al. are funded by forcible taking from the labors of their neighbors.

 

Democrats win because it is hard to underestimate the willingness of one man to steal from another when there is no risk of significant short term consequences.

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The Democrats have Santa Clause, that is socialist on the left spend many trillions of dollars out of the public treasure buying the votes of the core Democrat dependency voters. Most people vote for Democrats to get free stuff from the government paid for by other people. Most people know that this is morally repugnant, that theft is wrong, but in the privacy of the voting booth there is no one present to witness a man's character flaws and a great many people just don't care that much that their Obama phone, food stamps, housing voucher, energy voucher, medical insurance, social security, et al. are funded by forcible taking from the labors of their neighbors.

 

Democrats win because it is hard to underestimate the willingness of one man to steal from another when there is no risk of significant short term consequences.

Strange---I don't recieve any of these so-called free benefits and I still vote Democrat :glare:

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In almost every poll I've seen since 2010, including exit polls.

 

The republicans and independents favor the Republican candidate.

 

The combined total of Republicans + Independents is greater than the total number of Democrats.

 

How, then, do Democrats win elections?

Two reasons?

 

1 - if you let them, they will cheat. And elected Republicans have let them, especially since 1992. In fact, Billionaire James Riady stood up in a Federal court in California in 2001 and told the judge under a plea bargain (negotiated by the Bush administration that required Riady tell the truth) that contrary to what Bill Clinton and the DNC had publically claimed, the millions of dollars in illegal campaign contributions that he gave them had not been returned. The prosecutor told the judge that to the best of their knowledge this was true. Then nothing happened. If you let them steal elections, they will.

 

2 - Reps and Inds are busy earning livings and tend to ignore politics ... whereas, Dems, who know they must use government to redistribute wealth and keep their constituents poor and ignorant, are more focused on government. Where do you think Obama came from?

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Strange---I don't recieve any of these so-called free benefits and I still vote Democrat :glare:

why do you lie ? is that your only defense ?

 

tell us the story about "kash for Klunkers"

 

with 96% of the black vote, you voted for the black one

 

just like stacey dash did, difference being stacey came to her senses...

 

and look what you racists did to here...

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why do you lie ? is that your only defense ?

 

tell us the story about "kash for Klunkers"

 

with 96% of the black vote, you voted for the black one

 

just like stacey dash did, difference being stacey came to her senses...

 

and look what you racists did to here...

I don't recieve Social Security, food stamps, free cell phones or any other "free" stuff. So I am not lying. I did take part in the Cash for Clunkers program. It would have been like throwing money away if I hadn't. The money I pay in Federal and state income taxes is far more than I got for my old car. Can you think of anything else to talk about? P.S. The money I pay in taxes helps to pay for your SSI benefits.

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Strange---I don't recieve any of these so-called free benefits and I still vote Democrat :glare:

 

Same here. And I don't begrudge those who do legitimately receive many of those "benefits."

 

I want a government that, among other things, helps to care for people in need. We all should. Otherwise, what's the point?

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Same here. And I don't begrudge those who do legitimately receive many of those "benefits."

 

I want a government that, among other things, helps to care for people in need. We all should. Otherwise, what's the point?

Exactly.

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In almost every poll I've seen since 2010, including exit polls.

 

The republicans and independents favor the Republican candidate.

 

The combined total of Republicans + Independents is greater than the total number of Democrats.

 

How, then, do Democrats win elections?

 

 

 

They do what they have always done....cheat.

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Strange---I don't recieve any of these so-called free benefits and I still vote Democrat :glare:

Strange---I don't recieve any of these so-called free benefits and I still vote Democrat :glare:

So... you are planning to forgo all social welfare benefits, or do you intent to accept money from the government in the form of Social Security benefits or Medicare benefits in the future. If you become unemployed, will you pledge to forgo unemployment benefits? If you become disables, will you pledge to forge Social Security disability benefits? Do you go to a government welfare school or do your children go to a government welfare school?

 

It is not just the act of accepting "stuff" at this exact moment in time, it is also the expectation of getting "stuff" at some time in the future that drives the Santa Clause effect.

 

I would also note that MOST is not ALL and there may be some very tiny minority of Democrat voters who will never, that is not in the past, not now, and not in the future, accept any social welfare benefits from the government. I have never met even one example of this species of Democrat, but I can not prove that they do not exist.

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I want a government that, among other things, helps to care for people in need.

 

No, PM, what you want is a government that creates need.

 

That makes people dependent and poor.

 

That keeps them ignorant and poorly educated.

 

So they will vote Democrat.

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I don't recieve Social Security, food stamps, free cell phones or any other "free" stuff. So I am not lying. I did take part in the Cash for Clunkers program. It would have been like throwing money away if I hadn't. The money I pay in Federal and state income taxes is far more than I got for my old car. Can you think of anything else to talk about? P.S. The money I pay in taxes helps to pay for your SSI benefits.

still dancing, lying and backpedaling

 

thats what you loons do when you are proven a liar

 

free B = kash 4 Klunkers

 

free B = ACA subsidies

 

free B = public schools

 

besides... the simple fact you vote democrat proves you vote for free B's

 

you look like a fool saying "I dont recieve what I voted for"

 

you voted for the food stamp prez...

 

you failed to debunk any single point I made, that being... you are a liar...

 

I notice you two losers traded pos FB... how touching

 

if you want to see how fast trannymum can run,

 

ax her if voter fraud exists...

 

this should be good...

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Same here. And I don't begrudge those who do legitimately receive many of those "benefits."

 

I want a government that, among other things, helps to care for people in need. We all should. Otherwise, what's the point?

.....the extent of caring is very suspect when we have an administration that creates the environment for the need, with a compromised economy...

Obama can't/won't fix it.....

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I did take part in the Cash for Clunkers program.

you are a liar

 

did you forget I proved you could not have qualified because your car did not qualify for the program and the program did not give the amount you stated...

 

I proved you lied about that

 

go ahead... show us how you qualified and how much you got...

 

prove it...

 

I already proved you lied...

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People vote Democrat because the Republicans have a horrible image. Mitt Romney pretty much put the last nail in their coffin. I think Republicans would give us a better chance at reducing the spending of this government, but that isn't going to happen with their current bad image -- and the pervasive but untrue image that Democrats are good for the working class and poor.

 

I've met D's and R's. And they all are tools. But I hate the condenscention(sp?) of the Democrats. They claim to care about the poor, but they they look down on you like you are nothing. I think a lot of Democrats love the control they have on the poor and middle class.

 

Anyways, I don't get SS either. I intend to save $750 pretax a month at 8 percent in a 401k for 30 years and make my million by the time im 65. No car payments either. No living paycheck to paycheck. Dam it feels good.

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Same here. And I don't begrudge those who do legitimately receive many of those "benefits."

 

I want a government that, among other things, helps to care for people in need. We all should. Otherwise, what's the point?

The point is...if we don't rreign in spending for those who DON'T really NEED, but just need a swift kick in the butt and some encouragement....then there truly won't be anything...or at least there will be LESS, for those TRULY in need. That has always been my position as a conservative.

 

Stopping the waste, helps the needy more.

 

Encouraging those that can do for themselves lifts their spirits out of dependence and thus imporves their lives too.

 

But here you go again with your holier than though..."I'm for the poor and if you disagree with a liberal policy, you are uncaring" Spare me!

 

"I'm for peace, not war" - well yeah all of us are...that doesn't mean we don't need to do it sometimes.

"I'm for helping the poor" Well yeah, we all are. That doesn't mean we support a welfare state.

"I'm for the children's education" - Well yeah, we all are. That doesn't mean we support the NEA.

"I'm for clean air and water" - Well yeah, we all are. That doesn't mean we support crippling regulations and the EPA.

 

I absolutely HATE how you guys take the position that makes you FEEL like you're a better person, instead of addressing the reality of your policies.

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No, the dishonest, liberal mainstream media did that.

 

Well, I can't argue with that. But Romney... really? why? well, he was slightly better than John McCain...

 

Also, I don't really see a problem with using government services if you legitimately need them. My only requirement is when you are back on your feet, help others with your own money. You don't see many democrats doing that even though they like to talk about the "poor". All that's required to help others with your own money is to have your own house in order. I do it. And I don't make much right now while I'm in school.

"I'm for peace, not war" - well yeah all of us are...that doesn't mean we don't need to do it sometimes.

"I'm for helping the poor" Well yeah, we all are. That doesn't mean we support a welfare state.

"I'm for the children's education" - Well yeah, we all are. That doesn't mean we support the NEA.

"I'm for clean air and water" - Well yeah, we all are. That doesn't mean we support crippling regulations and the EPA.

 

I absolutely HATE how you guys take the position that makes you FEEL like you're a better person, instead of addressing the reality of your policies.

 

Exactly. I like the way you put that. People like to talk the talk, but not walk the walk. They LOVE to talk about the poor and how they need help. Now walk the walk. Go work at the soup kitchen. Pay someone's electric bill for them. Give someone a tank of gas. Things like that go a long way.

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Well, I can't argue with that. But Romney... really? why? well, he was slightly better than John McCain...

 

Also, I don't really see a problem with using government services if you legitimately need them. My only requirement is when you are back on your feet, help others with your own money. You don't see many democrats doing that even though they like to talk about the "poor". All that's required to help others with your own money is to have your own house in order. I do it. And I don't make much right now while I'm in school.

 

Exactly. I like the way you put that. People like to talk the talk, but not walk the walk. They LOVE to talk about the poor and how they need help. Now walk the walk. Go work at the soup kitchen. Pay someone's electric bill for them. Give someone a tank of gas. Things like that go a long way.

Like socialist NYCC mayor deBlasio who only paid 8% federal income tax on $250k salary?

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Same here. And I don't begrudge those who do legitimately receive many of those "benefits."

 

I want a government that, among other things, helps to care for people in need. We all should. Otherwise, what's the point?

... care for people in need?

 

The vast majority of social welfare benefits are not means tested, that is there is no determination that the recipients of the benefits actually need the benefits. This includes items such as Social Security, Medicare, and welfare education benefits which are available to nearly everyone. Also true is that there is nothing stopping anyone from simply helping those in need. Just go and give a hand, give a dollar, give an hour. This is certainly a significant moral duty of every Christian whereas theft is a sin, even theft by government proxy.

 

... Otherwise, what's the point?

 

Certainly the point of a government is not to make the people servants of the state, but that is not responsive to your question. What is the point?

 

"... We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." emphasis added. Declaration of Independence

 

The point of all just government is the security of our sacred liberty and at this time Democrats have corrupted our government to such an extent that it has become "... destructive to these ends".

 

As you have stated that you have studied the law, how is it possible that you should be so terrible ignorant of the fundamental purpose of government?

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