cli1rus Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Gun Control should begin with the elimination of guns and violence from TV, Movies, Games and all other forms of entertainment.If that does not work then maybe we can consider gun control for individuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKT1106 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Nope. "Gun Control" starts with parents. And by "gun control" I mean gun education and responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdog Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 We need thug conrol..... Guns aren't the problem.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerguy72447 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Gun Control should begin with the elimination of guns and violence from TV, Movies, Games and all other forms of entertainment. If that does not work then maybe we can consider gun control for individuals. Prior to tv, movies and games what fueled gun violence, say back in the old west? I like my tv, movies and games just the way they are and I own a few guns, care to explain how I've managed to not start killing folks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
race ipso loquitor Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Prior to tv, movies and games what fueled gun violence, say back in the old west? I like my tv, movies and games just the way they are and I own a few guns, care to explain how I've managed to not start killing folks? Amen brother. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cli1rus Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Prior to tv, movies and games what fueled gun violence, say back in the old west? I like my tv, movies and games just the way they are and I own a few guns, care to explain how I've managed to not start killing folks? You managed to not start killing folks because you are probably a Republican (responsible person). Democrats (irresponsible people) tend to base their ethics on TV, Movies and Games so they are easily seduced into homosexuality, adultery, drugs and violence. Young people (likely Democrats) also tend to base their ethics on TV, Movies and Games so they are easily seduced into homosexuality, adultery, drugs and violence. Smoking in America was due to in large part to TV and Movies, which shows the power of the Entertainment Industry to seduce people into evil. The essential element of gun control is to keep guns in the hands of responsible people and out of the hands of irresponsible people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagerHead Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 You managed to not start killing folks because you are probably a Republican (responsible person). Democrats (irresponsible people) tend to base their ethics on TV, Movies and Games so they are easily seduced into homosexuality, adultery, drugs and violence. Young people (likely Democrats) also tend to base their ethics on TV, Movies and Games so they are easily seduced into homosexuality, adultery, drugs and violence. Smoking in America was due to in large part to TV and Movies, which shows the power of the Entertainment Industry to seduce people into evil. The essential element of gun control is to keep guns in the hands of responsible people and out of the hands of irresponsible people. So your premise is that responsible people should be punished for the actions of irresponsible people? No thanks, Mr. Big Government. I'll take my freedom and you can have your shackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cli1rus Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 So your premise is that responsible people should be punished for the actions of irresponsible people? No thanks, Mr. Big Government. I'll take my freedom and you can have your shackles. The premise of the Democratic Party is that responsible people should be punished for the actions (sin) of the irresponsible people. Democrats win elections by advocating Gun Control. The Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry makes Republicans look stupid every time there is a gun incident, even when it was a liberal nut that did the shooting. Women with children will not vote for Republicans because of the Gun Control issue. Women with children will vote for Republicans that want to reduce the violence on TV, Movies and Guns. Gun Control for the media, lets you keep your gun as a responsible person, but gets the vote of women for Republicans by reducing violence. Win, Win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagerHead Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 The premise of the Democratic Party is that responsible people should be punished for the actions (sin) of the irresponsible people. Democrats win elections by advocating Gun Control. The Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry makes Republicans look stupid every time there is a gun incident, even when it was a liberal nut that did the shooting. Women with children will not vote for Republicans because of the Gun Control issue. Women with children will vote for Republicans that want to reduce the violence on TV, Movies and Guns. Gun Control for the media, lets you keep your gun as a responsible person, but gets the vote of women for Republicans by reducing violence. Win, Win. Lose, lose. I know plenty of women with children, my wife included, who are very pro gun. She is also anti-censorship, as I am. More government is hardly ever the solution, this case included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiiyaSlarebil Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Nope. "Gun Control" starts with parents. And by "gun control" I mean gun education and responsibility. You beat me to it! Unfortunately, the demographics of the people who commit the most gun violence virtually eliminates parenting from the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerguy72447 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 You managed to not start killing folks because you are probably a Republican (responsible person). Democrats (irresponsible people) tend to base their ethics on TV, Movies and Games so they are easily seduced into homosexuality, adultery, drugs and violence. Young people (likely Democrats) also tend to base their ethics on TV, Movies and Games so they are easily seduced into homosexuality, adultery, drugs and violence. Smoking in America was due to in large part to TV and Movies, which shows the power of the Entertainment Industry to seduce people into evil. The essential element of gun control is to keep guns in the hands of responsible people and out of the hands of irresponsible people. While I do tend to lean toward toward the right I've got no use or tolerance for the far right, I despise them as much if not more than the far left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallopian Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Gun Control should begin with the elimination of guns and violence from TV, Movies, Games and all other forms of entertainment. If that does not work then maybe we can consider gun control for individuals. This is about personal responsibility. If enough people decide they don't want to see movies with guns and violence the movie companies will change what they make. Let the market work. If people want to see these movies then they will still make them. Decide for your self. Gun control is a myth. Real gun control is both hands on the weapon with nice groupings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolitiMom Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 It's going to take a long time to change people's hearts and minds and remove all firearms from our society .... but I believe that day will come. That said, I don't think I could support official government censorship of depictions of guns and gun usage. I would support a public campaign against it, but not one that carries the force of law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cli1rus Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 It's going to take a long time to change people's hearts and minds and remove all firearms from our society .... but I believe that day will come. That said, I don't think I could support official government censorship of depictions of guns and gun usage. I would support a public campaign against it, but not one that carries the force of law. Now that sure was gutless. Should government rebuke evil? Will TV, Movies and Games stop violence on their own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cli1rus Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 This is about personal responsibility. If enough people decide they don't want to see movies with guns and violence the movie companies will change what they make. Let the market work. If people want to see these movies then they will still make them. Decide for your self. Gun control is a myth. Real gun control is both hands on the weapon with nice groupings. Man has a sin nature and will do evil if evil is not rebuked. Both God/Church and Government/State must rebuke evil in order to have a civilization. The Church should rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State should rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons. People that are Christians accept they have a responsibility, but people that are Atheists do not accept responsibility. The purpose of Gun Control is to keep guns in the hands of responsible people and out of the hands of irresponsible people. While I do tend to lean toward toward the right I've got no use or tolerance for the far right, I despise them as much if not more than the far left. I presume you consider Christians as far right, Democrats as far left and Republicans as perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cli1rus Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 Especially since gun ownership is on the increase. It is not shrinking. Hard to tell people who actually use them on a daily basis and have since they were kids how dangerous they are and awful it is that a society of free peoples is allowed to be armed. Democrats do not win elections over gun control they lose elections over gun control. In your dreams. Tell me a state where a gun control advocating Democrat lost. Virginian just elected gun control advocating Democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallopian Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Man has a sin nature and will do evil if evil is not rebuked. Both God/Church and Government/State must rebuke evil in order to have a civilization. The Church should rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State should rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons. People that are Christians accept they have a responsibility, but people that are Atheists do not accept responsibility. The purpose of Gun Control is to keep guns in the hands of responsible people and out of the hands of irresponsible people. I presume you consider Christians as far right, Democrats as far left and Republicans as perfect. It is up to us as individuals to rebuke evil, not the goverment. You want to infuse our faith into the goverment. I do not want that. I do not trust men who claim to be faithful to God to control our government and rule over us according to how THEY think the bible says we should be ruled over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Really Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 In your dreams. Tell me a state where a gun control advocating Democrat lost. Virginian just elected gun control advocating Democrats. So why did Gore lose Tennessee on Nov. 7 — the first time a presidential candidate has failed to win his own state since George McGovern lost his native South Dakota in 1972? There are multiple reasons why he lost Tennesse but reversing some of those reasons could have also given Gore the Presidency. Gun owners could have given him Tennesse. ""Al Gore lost his home state of Tennessee in 2000. He didn't lose it by a large margin and polls indicated that there were enough single-issue, pro-gun voters to have made up the difference". http://marks-truths.blogspot.com/2012/07/gore-tennessee-and-gun-control.html" President Clinton's advice is that gun control is a liability for Democrats. How much more misery and suffering is placed upon the poor because of the Democratic stand on guns? "www.msnbc.com/msnbc/democrats-lose-jobs-over-gun-controll" How much has gun control advanced in proportion to the decline deeper into poverty for a significant number of citizens? Estimates are that between 70 to 80 million USAmericans own guns. Gun control is not making much progress but victims continue to become victims. Why not focus on crime prevention? Is violence inversely proportional to wealth? If Democratic Politicians would create more jobs would that reduce violence ? Instead of alienating constituents with gun control they should protect constituents with more jobs. Cached Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cli1rus Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 It is up to us as individuals to rebuke evil, not the goverment. You want to infuse our faith into the goverment. I do not want that. I do not trust men who claim to be faithful to God to control our government and rule over us according to how THEY think the bible says we should be ruled over. But how do individuals know evil? Man has a sin nature thus individuals will do evil unless directed. I want Separation of Church and State where the State stays out of morals and the Church does hot execute. I do not want men who claim to be faithful to God to control our government but that would be better than Atheists to control our government. At least if you have men who claim to be faithful to God, you have the Bible to evaluate their truthfulness. With Atheists it usually always a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKT1106 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Guns are not good or evil. They are tools. People are good or evil. My guns have never gotten up, inserted their own loaded magazine and killed someone on their own. A person makes a choice to commit a crime using whatever tool they choose: Gun, Knife, Bat, Brick, etc. To say if we remove guns is to eliminate gun crime is naive at best and negligent at the core. People intent on doing harm will find a way regardless of what laws are in place. They will get a gun from somewhere and restricting law-abiding people the use of arms is not going to help anyone. Sorry Mom, you need to realize that people have the right to self defense and if they choose to carry a gun, they have that right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerguy72447 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Man has a sin nature and will do evil if evil is not rebuked. Both God/Church and Government/State must rebuke evil in order to have a civilization. The Church should rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State should rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons. People that are Christians accept they have a responsibility, but people that are Atheists do not accept responsibility. The purpose of Gun Control is to keep guns in the hands of responsible people and out of the hands of irresponsible people. I presume you consider Christians as far right, Democrats as far left and Republicans as perfect. None of the above, you're 0 for 3 but thanks for playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cli1rus Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 None of the above, you're 0 for 3 but thanks for playing. If you can't say anything intelligent, you can always say something irrelevant. Guns are not good or evil. They are tools. People are good or evil. My guns have never gotten up, inserted their own loaded magazine and killed someone on their own. A person makes a choice to commit a crime using whatever tool they choose: Gun, Knife, Bat, Brick, etc. To say if we remove guns is to eliminate gun crime is naive at best and negligent at the core. People intent on doing harm will find a way regardless of what laws are in place. They will get a gun from somewhere and restricting law-abiding people the use of arms is not going to help anyone. Sorry Mom, you need to realize that people have the right to self defense and if they choose to carry a gun, they have that right. Amen, Amen and AAAmen. But, Gun Control for TV, Movies and Games, would prevent the "monkey see, monkey do" irresponsible people from being a danger to society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKT1106 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 But, Gun Control for TV, Movies and Games, would prevent the "monkey see, monkey do" irresponsible people from being a danger to society. I would not say "gun control" in TV, Movies and games will prevent anything. We need to show there is no voodoo in firearms. "Gun Control" as we know it makes them mysterious and misunderstood. We need to dispel the mystery and teach responsibility, not fear. I would say an emphasis on "gun responsibility" is the key. Instead of showing a cop coming home an putting their issued weapon on the dresser, show them locking it up or putting it in a safe. But, people being responsible with firearms doesn't sell tickets to movies, so it will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallopian Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 If you don't like the violent movies, don't go to them ore allow your children to see them. Stop being a Christian authoritarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cli1rus Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 I would not say "gun control" in TV, Movies and games will prevent anything. We need to show there is no voodoo in firearms. "Gun Control" as we know it makes them mysterious and misunderstood. We need to dispel the mystery and teach responsibility, not fear. I would say an emphasis on "gun responsibility" is the key. Instead of showing a cop coming home an putting their issued weapon on the dresser, show them locking it up or putting it in a safe. But, people being responsible with firearms doesn't sell tickets to movies, so it will never happen. Guns, Sex and Violence sells tickets to movies and Hollywood does not care about how many killings occur, because of the "monkey see, monkey do" problem. If you don't like the violent movies, don't go to them ore allow your children to see them. Stop being a Christian authoritarian. I am worried that your kids will show violent movies to my kids. Stop being a PLASD. Progressives, Liberals, Atheists, Socialists and Democrats (PLASDs) are evil people (cold blooded killers) because they advocate homosexuality, adultery and drugs that lead to disease, death, destruction and poverty. Christians are good people because they warn people about the dangers of homosexuality, adultery and drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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