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I think we're headed in that direction - where the few will speak for everyone and the rest of us will be powerless to stop them. What say you?

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04/17/bernie-sanders-msnbc-koch-brothers-worst-nightmare.html

 

Bernie Sanders Goes On MSNBC and Becomes The Koch Brothers Worst Nightmare

 

MSNBC’s Joy Reid asked Sanders why he was highlighting the Koch brothers personally.

Sen. Sanders said:

I fear very much, and I think people may think I am overstating this, I fear very much that this country is losing its democratic foundations and moving towards an oligarchic form of society where a handful of billionaires will control not only the economy, but the political life of this nation.

 

What you are looking at right now is an extreme right family who believe all the things that you just indicated. They don’t believe that we should simply not raise the minimum wage. These guys believe that we should do away with the minimum wage, and if you have to work for three bucks an hour or two bucks an hour, that’s freedom. That’s your freedom, and these guys believe that we should privatize Social Security, massive cuts in Medicaid, no support for women’s right, etc.

They believe the federal government is terrible, and they want to move toward a society where the big money interests control the economy and the political life. I highlighted the 1980 Libertarian platform for a simple reason. In 1980, that party got one percent of the vote and most people thought that these guys were pretty crazy, pretty extreme, pretty out there. If you looked at the issues they talked about then, their point of view, many of those same ideas are now mainstream Republican Party.

You talk about minimum wage. You have most Republicans now in Congress not only opposed to raising it, they believe we should abolish the concept of the minimum wage. That’s what the Koch brothers talked about 34 years ago. Social Security, Medicare, look at the Ryan budget. What you are seeing is as a result of the Koch brothers and others, a Republican Party moving from what used to be a right-center party, a moderate conservative party, to a right wing extremist party. That is probably the most important development in recent politics. The degree to which the Republican Party has moved to the right and has no stomach for moderates anymore....

 

 

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I think we're headed in that direction - where the few will speak for everyone and the rest of us will be powerless to stop them. What say you?

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04/17/bernie-sanders-msnbc-koch-brothers-worst-nightmare.html

 

Bernie Sanders Goes On MSNBC and Becomes The Koch Brothers Worst Nightmare

 

MSNBC’s Joy Reid asked Sanders why he was highlighting the Koch brothers personally.

Sen. Sanders said:

I fear very much, and I think people may think I am overstating this, I fear very much that this country is losing its democratic foundations and moving towards an oligarchic form of society where a handful of billionaires will control not only the economy, but the political life of this nation.

 

What you are looking at right now is an extreme right family who believe all the things that you just indicated. They don’t believe that we should simply not raise the minimum wage. These guys believe that we should do away with the minimum wage, and if you have to work for three bucks an hour or two bucks an hour, that’s freedom. That’s your freedom, and these guys believe that we should privatize Social Security, massive cuts in Medicaid, no support for women’s right, etc.

They believe the federal government is terrible, and they want to move toward a society where the big money interests control the economy and the political life. I highlighted the 1980 Libertarian platform for a simple reason. In 1980, that party got one percent of the vote and most people thought that these guys were pretty crazy, pretty extreme, pretty out there. If you looked at the issues they talked about then, their point of view, many of those same ideas are now mainstream Republican Party.

You talk about minimum wage. You have most Republicans now in Congress not only opposed to raising it, they believe we should abolish the concept of the minimum wage. That’s what the Koch brothers talked about 34 years ago. Social Security, Medicare, look at the Ryan budget. What you are seeing is as a result of the Koch brothers and others, a Republican Party moving from what used to be a right-center party, a moderate conservative party, to a right wing extremist party. That is probably the most important development in recent politics. The degree to which the Republican Party has moved to the right and has no stomach for moderates anymore....

 

 

 

Atheists worry about the Koch brothers and Christians worry about Amazon, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, George Soros, etc.

 

The Koch brothers are small potatoes.

 

Progressives, Liberals, Atheists, Socialists and Democrats (PLASDs) are evil people (cold blooded killers) because they advocate homosexuality, adultery and drugs that lead to disease, death, destruction and poverty.

 

Christians are good people because they warn people about the dangers of homosexuality, adultery and drugs.

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I think we're headed in that direction - where the few will speak for everyone and the rest of us will be powerless to stop them. What say you?

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04/17/bernie-sanders-msnbc-koch-brothers-worst-nightmare.html

 

Bernie Sanders Goes On MSNBC and Becomes The Koch Brothers Worst Nightmare

 

MSNBC’s Joy Reid asked Sanders why he was highlighting the Koch brothers personally.

Sen. Sanders said:

I fear very much, and I think people may think I am overstating this, I fear very much that this country is losing its democratic foundations and moving towards an oligarchic form of society where a handful of billionaires will control not only the economy, but the political life of this nation.

 

What do the Koch brothers do that controls your life, moonbat?

 

What product do they sell that you're forced to buy?

 

I'll bet you can't cite one single thing.

 

On the other hand, what do Beltway politicians do that controls your life?

 

Even a moonbat like you might figure that huge difference out.

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I love it when the rich runs things. we love power.

Define rich, Is it control of symbolic values or understanding substance inside out while the population is so busy trying to become humanity's chosen ideology to lead societal evolution eternally in following hypothetical values to death and extinction of ancestry's ancestors not arriving now believing life came from the outside in.

 

The axiom between priceless and worthless intersecting between general societal evolution and specific genetic continuation.

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Atheists worry about the Koch brothers and Christians worry about Amazon, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, George Soros, etc.

 

The Koch brothers are small potatoes.

 

Open your eyes: The Kochs are very large potatoes in an ever-shrinking pot.

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What do the Koch brothers do that controls your life, moonbat?

 

What product do they sell that you're forced to buy?

 

I'll bet you can't cite one single thing.

 

You grow more naive with age.

 

From Wiki:

Members of the Koch family have given to conservative and libertarian policy and advocacy groups in the United States,[12] including think tanks like the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute, and more recently Americans for Prosperity.[13] Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks are organizations with links to both the Kochs and the Tea Party movement.[14][15][16][17]

According to the Koch Family Foundations and Philanthropy website, "the foundations and the individual giving of Koch family members" have financially supported organizations "fostering entrepreneurship, education, human services, at-risk youth, arts and culture, and medical research."

 

If you don't think that this will affect you then you are more than just naive.

 

 

On the other hand, what do Beltway politicians do that controls your life?

 

 

 

 

And have you figured out yet that the Kochs and the Beltway pols are intimately connected?

what a stupid question, humanity already arrived there centuries ago academically, spiritually, scientifically, and economically.

 

Well, no. We are still a ways off from that point (if I understand you correctly) and I believe that there is still time to reverse the pernicious trend.

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What do the Koch brothers do that controls your life, moonbat?

 

What product do they sell that you're forced to buy?

 

I'll bet you can't cite one single thing.

 

You grow more naive with age.

 

From Wiki:

Members of the Koch family have given to conservative and libertarian policy and advocacy groups in the United States,[12] including think tanks like the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute, and more recently Americans for Prosperity.[13] Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks are organizations with links to both the Kochs and the Tea Party movement.[14][15][16][17]

According to the Koch Family Foundations and Philanthropy website, "the foundations and the individual giving of Koch family members" have financially supported organizations "fostering entrepreneurship, education, human services, at-risk youth, arts and culture, and medical research."

 

If you don't think that this will affect you then you are more than just naive.

 

Where's the control, moonbat? Where's the actual evidence that the Koch's are asking for one single thing for themselves from politicians?

 

Where's the actual evidence that they're trying to control Americans' lives?

 

The groups they give to want Americans to have more freedom.

 

You grow more delusional and paranoid with age. :wacko:

 

 

 

 

On the other hand, what do Beltway politicians do that controls your life?

 

And have you figured out yet that the Kochs and the Beltway pols are intimately connected?

 

"Connected?" They support certain candidates.

 

What evidence is that that they want to coerce Americans' behavior?

 

That's your philosophy, not the libertarian-right's.

What evidence is there that they're acting in a self-serving manner?

 

And where have you been at Obama's and Dems' vast handouts to Special Interests?

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You only give it to billionares when you stop voting with them.

Yes, but that can be tricky when they are so deeply entrenched in our political system. I write in Bernie Sanders' name when I vote in a national election.

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I think we're headed in that direction - where the few will speak for everyone and the rest of us will be powerless to stop them. What say you?

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04/17/bernie-sanders-msnbc-koch-brothers-worst-nightmare.html

 

Bernie Sanders Goes On MSNBC and Becomes The Koch Brothers Worst Nightmare

 

MSNBCs Joy Reid asked Sanders why he was highlighting the Koch brothers personally.

Sen. Sanders said:

I fear very much, and I think people may think I am overstating this, I fear very much that this country is losing its democratic foundations and moving towards an oligarchic form of society where a handful of billionaires will control not only the economy, but the political life of this nation.

 

What you are looking at right now is an extreme right family who believe all the things that you just indicated. They dont believe that we should simply not raise the minimum wage. These guys believe that we should do away with the minimum wage, and if you have to work for three bucks an hour or two bucks an hour, thats freedom. Thats your freedom, and these guys believe that we should privatize Social Security, massive cuts in Medicaid, no support for womens right, etc.

They believe the federal government is terrible, and they want to move toward a society where the big money interests control the economy and the political life. I highlighted the 1980 Libertarian platform for a simple reason. In 1980, that party got one percent of the vote and most people thought that these guys were pretty crazy, pretty extreme, pretty out there. If you looked at the issues they talked about then, their point of view, many of those same ideas are now mainstream Republican Party.

You talk about minimum wage. You have most Republicans now in Congress not only opposed to raising it, they believe we should abolish the concept of the minimum wage. Thats what the Koch brothers talked about 34 years ago. Social Security, Medicare, look at the Ryan budget. What you are seeing is as a result of the Koch brothers and others, a Republican Party moving from what used to be a right-center party, a moderate conservative party, to a right wing extremist party. That is probably the most important development in recent politics. The degree to which the Republican Party has moved to the right and has no stomach for moderates anymore....

 

 

you say this as if it is a bad thing! Its not.

 

i am much more worried about diseased socialists trying to subvert the constitution, than i am about your boogy men koch

 

Those who worship power are doomed to be marginalized by it - along with the rest of us. Lord Acton was right.

good. so u are for small government too.

Im not a paid poster. hey its real simple either you side with money or they buy you out.

I know corporations have corporate interests. they don't pony up the big bucks to be ignored.

u r a paid poster-a shill

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I think we're headed in that direction - where the few will speak for everyone and the rest of us will be powerless to stop them. What say you?

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04/17/bernie-sanders-msnbc-koch-brothers-worst-nightmare.html

 

Bernie Sanders Goes On MSNBC and Becomes The Koch Brothers Worst Nightmare

 

MSNBCs Joy Reid asked Sanders why he was highlighting the Koch brothers personally.

Sen. Sanders said:

I fear very much, and I think people may think I am overstating this, I fear very much that this country is losing its democratic foundations and moving towards an oligarchic form of society where a handful of billionaires will control not only the economy, but the political life of this nation.

 

What you are looking at right now is an extreme right family who believe all the things that you just indicated. They dont believe that we should simply not raise the minimum wage. These guys believe that we should do away with the minimum wage, and if you have to work for three bucks an hour or two bucks an hour, thats freedom. Thats your freedom, and these guys believe that we should privatize Social Security, massive cuts in Medicaid, no support for womens right, etc.

They believe the federal government is terrible, and they want to move toward a society where the big money interests control the economy and the political life. I highlighted the 1980 Libertarian platform for a simple reason. In 1980, that party got one percent of the vote and most people thought that these guys were pretty crazy, pretty extreme, pretty out there. If you looked at the issues they talked about then, their point of view, many of those same ideas are now mainstream Republican Party.

You talk about minimum wage. You have most Republicans now in Congress not only opposed to raising it, they believe we should abolish the concept of the minimum wage. Thats what the Koch brothers talked about 34 years ago. Social Security, Medicare, look at the Ryan budget. What you are seeing is as a result of the Koch brothers and others, a Republican Party moving from what used to be a right-center party, a moderate conservative party, to a right wing extremist party. That is probably the most important development in recent politics. The degree to which the Republican Party has moved to the right and has no stomach for moderates anymore....

 

 

Can you post the article where Bernie Sanders criticizes George Soros for supporting his beliefs? I'd like to compare the two for consistency.

 

You grow more naive with age.

 

From Wiki:

Members of the Koch family have given to conservative and libertarian policy and advocacy groups in the United States,[12] including think tanks like the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute, and more recently Americans for Prosperity.[13] Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks are organizations with links to both the Kochs and the Tea Party movement.[14][15][16][17]

According to the Koch Family Foundations and Philanthropy website, "the foundations and the individual giving of Koch family members" have financially supported organizations "fostering entrepreneurship, education, human services, at-risk youth, arts and culture, and medical research."

 

If you don't think that this will affect you then you are more than just naive.

 

And have you figured out yet that the Kochs and the Beltway pols are intimately connected?

 

 

Well, no. We are still a ways off from that point (if I understand you correctly) and I believe that there is still time to reverse the pernicious trend.

You do realize you look as ridiculous as Glen Beck did when he was doing his show tying together all the leftist groups under George Soros.

 

You thought he was foolish right?

 

Pot, this is kettle.

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you say this as if it is a bad thing! Its not.

 

Is your ideal society one where the wealthy and powerful can speak for us all?

 

i am much more worried about diseased socialists trying to subvert the constitution, than i am about your boogy men koch

 

 

Then you are creating a red herring/ imaginary straw man to worry about. The danger posed by the Kochs and others of their ilk is very

real and is taking place as we speak.

 

good. so u are for small government too.

 

 

Smallness and /or bigness themselves are not desirable goals. The right uses the "small government" mantra to create inefficient government, then complains about government inefficiency.

 

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Can you post the article where Bernie Sanders criticizes George Soros for supporting his beliefs? I'd like to compare the two for consistency.

 

 

That's a fair point, but remember: Soros supports his beliefs directly, not through super pacs. Even so, I wouldn't mind if Congress and SCOTUS went back to limited campaign contribs and did away with 501c altogether. Then who would scream the loudest - your side or mine?

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Well, no. We are still a ways off from that point (if I understand you correctly) and I believe that there is still time to reverse the pernicious trend.

You ignore what I said to protect your faith that nobody knows.

 

so in doing that, you haven't even considered what was said by me defending your beliefs kept behind your eyes and between your ears..

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Is your ideal society one where the wealthy and powerful can speak for us all?

 

 

Then you are creating a red herring/ imaginary straw man to worry about. The danger posed by the Kochs and others of their ilk is very

real and is taking place as we speak.

 

 

Smallness and /or bigness themselves are not desirable goals. The right uses the "small government" mantra to create inefficient government, then complains about government inefficiency.

 

reid, pelosi, obama, soros....you mean THOSE rich ppl?

 

No red herring. socialism exists in diametric opposition to liberty, and i and many others understand this and will fight it with all we have, including our lives.

 

small government is the logical conclusion from that quote you posted. but then you duck the logic. no surprise. because with you the isdue isn't power, but which ideology controls that power, hypocrite

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Where's the control, moonbat? Where's the actual evidence that the Koch's are asking for one single thing for themselves from politicians?

 

Where's the actual evidence that they're trying to control Americans' lives?

 

The groups they give to want Americans to have more freedom.

 

You grow more delusional and paranoid with age. :wacko:

 

 

 

 

"Connected?" They support certain candidates.

 

What evidence is that that they want to coerce Americans' behavior?

 

That's your philosophy, not the libertarian-right's.

What evidence is there that they're acting in a self-serving manner?

 

And where have you been at Obama's and Dems' vast handouts to Special Interests?

 

Yes, genius, that's the point - ALL the politicians, except for a small handful, are corrupted by money and power. So whom should we trust, the corruptors or the corrupted? Please think this time before you answer.

Where's Hair-etic to respond to this?

 

 

On a 1-to-10 cleverness scale, that's got to rank about -8.

You're not much of a Heretic. WTF have you been for the last 15 years? Did you just wake up to this epiphany?

 

And yet, here is a rather large group of naysayers ready to shout me down. How do you account for that? The answer is: It is the opposition that has remained deaf and/or asleep to this epiphany. I've been preaching this heresy for a long while.

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You ignore what I said to protect your faith that nobody knows.

 

so in doing that, you haven't even considered what was said by me defending your beliefs kept behind your eyes and between your ears..

 

Preach it brother! But, in between sermons, can you please explain the text? It sounds interesting but I'm having trouble in the deciphering.

reid, pelosi, obama, soros....you mean THOSE rich ppl?

 

No red herring. socialism exists in diametric opposition to liberty, and i and many others understand this and will fight it with all we have, including our lives.

 

small government is the logical conclusion from that quote you posted. but then you duck the logic. no surprise. because with you the isdue isn't power, but which ideology controls that power, hypocrite

 

No, an efficient, honest government is the logical answer, not an impoverished one.

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Are we moving toward an oligarchic society where billionaires control

No...we are all moving towards Gilligan's Island !

 

What were you born yesterday...billionaires (or the equivalent) have controled since the birth of the Nation?

 

...That’s what the Koch brothers talked about 34 years ago.

But in the mean time...on a TV she bought at Walmart, (where Glen Beck once worked [but of course not at minimum wage] when he was in College, the same one Tim Tebow thought about going to) Sarah Palin simultaneously watched MSNBC on how the REPUBS were completely to blame for every thing wrong with the Government, CNN about the Trayvon Martin injustice and Fox News about East Jerusalem (but there was no mention of global warming disproportionately caused by Israel and the effect it has on the peace loving Palestinian people); while she read a article on gun control (and day dreamed about what has a greater impact...same sex marriage or the Republican war on women) as she ate a Chick-Fil-A sandwich...washing it down with a 64 oz Coke, that she bought at a Koch Brothers franchise, right next to the Catholic Church (where the local Tea Party meets to discuss keeping minorities down, the illegal immigrant problem, Obama not being born in America, assassinating Sandra Flunke and the war in Iraq that Haliburton started) which was built where a old growth forest use to be, that the Red Skins used for burying their dead and as a center for redistributing their wealth until White Christian European males (who Mitt Romney is a direct descendant of) came and stole their land...planting it with genetically altered crops and polluted it and never paid enough taxes on it because they are the greedy rich who take advantage of the Bush tax cuts and hoping they could some day build a prison there to warehouse inmates that racist cops rail roaded, all the while...Miley Cyrus in a outrageously sheer pair of pants...(without any underwear on) danced on Ronald Reagan's grave, as Occupy Wall Street protesters chanted and burned an American flag that was made in China as Al Sharpton yelled (in the heart of KKK country) at Ted Nugent 'we wanta get paid for slavery even tho it ended 150 years ago.'

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