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Well surely, people who believe differently then I chimed in and in a big way. At its roots the topic uncovers the whole argument this country is having or not having in any concrete way.

At the core, people will say they have the right to protect themselves. Responsible people who feel the need to own guns will say, don't tread on my rights dude.

Ex-military people or people who are still in the military will post, LOL, like what I believe is a joke, you know the old, it ain't the gun but the shooter behind the gun who did the crime.

 

The old, guns are prevalent, no way you can get rid of them. What, you only want what, criminals with guns and honest good hardworking people with none so they can be shot down by the ill repute who could and would?

 

That is not the argument I make at all regarding better laws. It's no drudgery at all in my mind to regulate guns and make sure legal gun owners are responsible people. I don't think it's easy, but it's extremely important! Most law enforcement professionals believe this is true.

 

In fact, most Americans by far believe we need stricter gun laws, yet somehow the NRA gets its way every time. The NRA distorts the argument time after time, most people see this bull.

 

Politicians on the right and the left are very much afraid to say much against the NRA, this absolutely the truth. Hell, even Obama, you know, the guy who is typecast as this socialist dictator put a video of himself shooting skeet, like he enjoyed it.

 

And who could forget the Michael Dukakis video in 1988, when he ran against George Bush and was trying to be, you know, less then soft ---- http://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/presidential-elections/videos/tank-ride

 

Oh and yeah, recently you had the Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell holding the antique muzzle-loading rifle and promising to one and all that he had their backs regarding the right to own guns...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/mitch-mcconnell-kicks-cpac-guns-blazing-article-1.1712804 - the man is a major dickhead, who absolutely knows, achu-howtofilibuster, repeatedly, over every damn thing, more so then it's ever been done in history. He's definite proof that the minority rules.

 

Anyhow, I don't know anyone personally who has successfully protected themselves or their family with a gun. I do know people who were confronted at gun point and who fought back with their fist however.

Three people I know made the creeps run, one got hit on the head and knocked out - he was lucky not to have been killed.

 

Exactly how do criminals, or would be criminals obtain guns? Is it illegally purchased, and if so, how do we stop this?

 

Anyway, a lot of other countries do have sane gun policy and far less murders which should at least be food for thought.

 

Peace!

 

 

Peace!

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I'm from a non metropolitan part of the country, where hunting, and gun ownership is very common... I think there is a serious disconnect between "rural" people where law enforcement isn't "just a phone call away"... and people from large metro areas... People in rural areas actually DO protect themselves with their guns... fom people and sometimes from wild animals. Truth be told, there isn't much crime where I'm from, probably because everyone knows that almost EVERYONE owns a guns, and uses them regulary for hunting or target shooting... and potential criminals in the area KNOW peole would not hesitate to use it to protect their family and home should the need arise..

 

So, although I support SOME gun control (to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, and the mentally unstable for example), the "Right to bear arms" is important and "disarming" the population should NEVER be a policy or goal... because that takes us down a VERY slippery slope... where the unintended consquences are dire.

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We either have a First Amendment right to free speech or we do not. We either have a right to a trial by our peers or we do not. Therefore it follows, we either have the right to bear arm or not.

 

It is not the object that needs to be regulated, but the acts using the object.

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Rights are tied to objects or people?

 

Who chooses what?

 

Nobody is saying you can't own a gun. What the vast majority of folks are crying out for is a safer place for everyone.

 

I'm saying there's too much hyper, I have the right to own a gun speech, when that's not the issue at all in the first place.

 

Anybody that's a responsible gun owner should be willing to take a few extra steps regarding clearly demonstrating you have the ability to be someone who understands the responsibility of gun ownership.

 

Just like if you drive a car.

 

The NRA, is like a lot of bull, like, oh you can't make people buy health insurance... But yeah, we all have to pay a higher rate for the person who has none and winds up needing it.

 

Yeah, we do pay for the police force that protects us, like it or not.

 

Just like we pay for public schools, or don't pay for a decent public school system.

 

Yeah, people who have guns, responsible people who own guns ain't the problem at all! We all know that much, it's pretty damn apparent!

 

This slippery slope that the NRA suggests is laughable.

 

It's thin, like the democrats and republicans who get their pictures taken hunting, or shouting at an audience with an old muzzle fire rifle like they freaken fought in the militia in days of old --- witch by the way was what the Second Amendment was all about in the first place.

 

Just like the skilled hunter who actually eats what he or she kills and respects the animal they hunted. Just like bow hunting for deer, it can be a very responsible thing to do. Hell, much better than going to the grocery and buying ground hamburger, then shouting out in protest, stop medical research using animals.

 

Reason man, that's all people are saying. Stop the nonsensical argument, and have a discussion. F the damn divide. Folks are sick of it.

 

F the Neoliberals and the far right Neocons too boot.

 

Get up in the morning, go about your business, and just freaking listen to normal people... if you will.

 

Normal, should that be the new N word? Well maybe so.

 

There ya go.

 

What makes a good side of town any different than a bad side of town? That's what I want to know.

 

 

Peace!

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Well surely, people who believe differently then I chimed in and in a big way. At its roots the topic uncovers the whole argument this country is having or not having in any concrete way.

At the core, people will say they have the right to protect themselves. Responsible people who feel the need to own guns will say, don't tread on my rights dude.

Ex-military people or people who are still in the military will post, LOL, like what I believe is a joke, you know the old, it ain't the gun but the shooter behind the gun who did the crime.

 

The old, guns are prevalent, no way you can get rid of them. What, you only want what, criminals with guns and honest good hardworking people with none so they can be shot down by the ill repute who could and would?

 

That is not the argument I make at all regarding better laws. It's no drudgery at all in my mind to regulate guns and make sure legal gun owners are responsible people. I don't think it's easy, but it's extremely important! Most law enforcement professionals believe this is true.

 

In fact, most Americans by far believe we need stricter gun laws, yet somehow the NRA gets its way every time. The NRA distorts the argument time after time, most people see this bull.

 

Politicians on the right and the left are very much afraid to say much against the NRA, this absolutely the truth. Hell, even Obama, you know, the guy who is typecast as this socialist dictator put a video of himself shooting skeet, like he enjoyed it.

 

And who could forget the Michael Dukakis video in 1988, when he ran against George Bush and was trying to be, you know, less then soft ---- http://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/presidential-elections/videos/tank-ride

 

Oh and yeah, recently you had the Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell holding the antique muzzle-loading rifle and promising to one and all that he had their backs regarding the right to own guns...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/mitch-mcconnell-kicks-cpac-guns-blazing-article-1.1712804 - the man is a major dickhead, who absolutely knows, achu-howtofilibuster, repeatedly, over every damn thing, more so then it's ever been done in history. He's definite proof that the minority rules.

 

Anyhow, I don't know anyone personally who has successfully protected themselves or their family with a gun. I do know people who were confronted at gun point and who fought back with their fist however.

Three people I know made the creeps run, one got hit on the head and knocked out - he was lucky not to have been killed.

 

Exactly how do criminals, or would be criminals obtain guns? Is it illegally purchased, and if so, how do we stop this?

 

Anyway, a lot of other countries do have sane gun policy and far less murders which should at least be food for thought.

 

Peace!

 

 

Peace!

The 2nd amendment will interpreted in dissimilar fashion until it no longer exists. The focus should be on moderation. I support the 2nd amendment, but I have my own views on the manner in which it should be followed. What I see as a glaring loophole is the loss of control over what type of people a firearm ends with in private party sales. Background checks are mandatory for the initial purchase of a weapon to the first owner, but the owner may later lawfully sell that weapon to anyone on the street, as long as the seller has no knowledge that the seller has a criminal past or intent (if this is the case). IMO in every gun sale, there should be a mandatory background check for the buyer.

 

As to your statement which appears to diminish the role of guns in home defense, there are hundreds of cases where homeowners have lawfully shot intruders in self-defense within their own homes. I can back that statement up with some easily found statistics if you would like. So I will respectfully disagree with guns playing a meager or virtually non-existent role in home defense.

 

Peace back at ya! :)

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The 2nd amendment will interpreted in dissimilar fashion until it no longer exists. The focus should be on moderation. I support the 2nd amendment, but I have my own views on the manner in which it should be followed. What I see as a glaring loophole is the loss of control over what type of people a firearm ends with in private party sales. Background checks are mandatory for the initial purchase of a weapon to the first owner, but the owner may later lawfully sell that weapon to anyone on the street, as long as the seller has no knowledge that the seller has a criminal past or intent (if this is the case). IMO in every gun sale, there should be a mandatory background check for the buyer.

 

As to your statement which appears to diminish the role of guns in home defense, there are hundreds of cases where homeowners have lawfully shot intruders in self-defense within their own homes. I can back that statement up with some easily found statistics if you would like. So I will respectfully disagree with guns playing a meager or virtually non-existent role in home defense.

 

Peace back at ya! :)

I would like to see the stats, because I haven't seen them. You should also present stats next to the ones I have not seen, that tell the story of people within families accidentally shooting themselves or loved ones, or worse with malice because they had a temper tantrum.. Yes, it is about moderation. I won't go into the second amendment since it's old and became what it was for a completely different reason than those who support it now suggest - that's not my opinion, that's historical fact...

I would say that I agree with much of what you say. I do support someones right to take on the responsibility of gun ownership, and because it is a big responsibility, not a little one, there should be some reasonable regulation. What most people are looking for is sane gun control laws that protect the society at large. A responsible person if they choose can certainly own a gun, no harm no foul, I always say. Unfortunately too often this appears not to be the focus regarding gun regulation.

Instead, it's a big propaganda quagmire,

I'm looking for sound legislation, responsible gun owners are certainly more than welcome in any discussion regarding sane gun policy. In fact, that's what I want. When I say gut the NRA, it has to do with the nonsense of politicians being afraid to voice policy that makes sense without being scorned. Look at the policy, if you disagree with it, voice your concerns, please...

Here's an example: Say you own a gun, somehow it gets stolen, what should you do? I say you should report it as being stolen, would you agree? I mean, it could then very possibly be in the wrong hands and someone might get wrongfully shot, would you agree with that? Someone murders someone with a gun you registered, that is a problem. There are a multitude of guns out there in the general criminal population that become untraceable.

Gun owners should protect themselves regarding their own liability, this is common sense. It's called being responsible.

 

Peace back at you man! A few weeks back our local news channel showed a group of nonsensical gangsters firing shots out in the air on public streets, there was one cop car who decided he was outnumbered and no one was arrested. Not one of the idiots was arrested. That's the problem I'm talking about, not the one regarding responsible gun owner rights.

 

Like I said, people I know who own guns, never felt the need so much because they were hunters and naturalist who did it because that's the way they were raised. Good people who locked them up and understood how to handle them because they understood before hand how accidents could happen. Common sense.

 

Peace, again! And by that I mean, stop the senseless wars...

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