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The Bigot's Lament

After the defeat of Arizona's SB 1062, the religious right nurses its persecution complex.

 

 

Whether talking secession, hoarding bitcoin or refusing to expand Medicaid, the American right these days is obsessed with opting out of a society that its members increasingly see as an assault on their way of life. Their latest attempt to liberate themselves from the polity was Arizona’s 
SB 1062, a bill that would have exempted individuals and businesses from state law if it burdened their exercise of religion.

 

The legislation did not single out lesbians and gays, but it was plainly motivated by anti-gay animus. Recognizing as much, corporations like Apple, AT&T and Intel, as well as the Super Bowl Host Committee, condemned the measure, and the threat of a statewide boycott prompted the state’s Chamber of Commerce to go to “DefCon 1” against it. Critics also pointed out that the bill was gratuitous; it’s already legal in Arizona to refuse to do business with gay customers. All of which was enough to convince Republican Governor Jan Brewer to veto the bill on February 26.

 

This turn of events has merely reinforced the Christian right’s conviction that it is they who are the victims of, as Michele Bachmann put it, “a terrible intolerance.”

 

At The New York Times, house conservative Ross Douthat foresees a kind of anti-Christian Hunger Games in which the defeated religious right waits “to find out what settlement the victors will impose.” And what exactly will this reaping entail? Homophobes will be “marginalized” and “encouraged to conform.” Religiously affiliated schools and agencies will be required to follow the same laws as everyone else or forfeit their tax-exempt status. Christian businesses will be forced to bake cakes and make bouquets for gay weddings—and what could be a worse fate for someone who specializes in the comely arrangement of frosting or flowers?

 

Douthat casts all of this as a fait accompli, magicked into existence by the Supreme Court and a bit of vicious fairy power. And while he claims he doesn’t mean to sound “self-pitying”—“nobody should call it persecution,” he writes—that is, of course, precisely what he intends.

 

So why can’t gays accept a polite culture war truce by letting “the dissenters opt out”?

 

First, the forces behind Arizona’s SB 1062 don’t just want to be left alone to exalt heterosexual marriages. The Alliance Defending Freedom, the Scottsdale-based group that helped draft the bill, opposes same-sex marriage, gay parenting and adoption, and abortion in all cases. It filed an amicus brief in Lawrence v. Texas arguing that gay sodomy should remain a crime. More recently, it provided counsel to Yelena Mizulina, one of the legislators behind Russia’s anti-gay propaganda law, and spent over $1.5 million last year on “human rights legal work” for groups outside the United States. If the Alliance had its way, gays and lesbians would be a globally criminalized people, hounded from public life both by private discrimination and the state police apparatus.

 

Second, anti-gay discrimination still happens—a lot. According to a study by the Williams Institute, which examined data collected from 2004 to 2008, 27 percent of lesbian and gay employees reported workplace discrimination within those years; 7 percent of them reported losing a job because of their sexual orientation. Outside of employment, the case law is replete with incidents of gay people refused shelter, evicted from cabs and ejected from restaurants simply because of who they are. To suggest that these accommodation cases are about a right to wedding cake trivializes the point: the civil rights movement was not about the right to eat a sandwich at a lunch counter.

 

Third, the twenty-one state laws meant to remedy this discrimination were all passed by democratically elected legislatures and signed by democratically elected governors. Should the Employment Nondiscrimination Act clear Congress, where it has stalled for decades, it will also be the result of a democratic process that conservatives have had every chance to influence (and which they no doubt will try to undo via the back door of religious liberty laws).

Fourth, while it’s true that the courts have been ruling in favor of same-sex marriage, they have also been extremely deferential to religious freedom. It is perfectly legal in all fifty states for a Catholic church to refuse to hire a Jewish janitor. Moreover, the federal government has bent over backwards to carve out exemptions for religious organizations in other matters. For example, the Affordable Care Act allows Catholic organizations to deny contraception coverage to their employees—an exemption that conservatives are seeking to expand to private businesses via the Hobby Lobby case, currently before the Supreme Court.

 

Fifth, in states that do have anti-discrimination laws that cover sexual orientation, there is not exactly a record of religious persecution. Of the more than 250,000 administrative complaints concerning workplace discrimination lodged against businesses in those states from 2007 to 2012, less than 4 percent involved sexual orientation. Of those, only a fraction were resolved in favor of the plaintiff. It is exceedingly difficult to prove that one has been discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation, especially in matters of housing and accommodation. (Pro-tip to homophobes: if you’re going to discriminate against someone simply because he’s gay, maybe don’t put it in writing.)

 

The threshold for legal action, never mind ordinary etiquette, allows religious conservatives all kinds of ways to minimize their interactions with gay people. Those violations of anti-discrimination law that are prosecuted are almost invariably incidents in which religious conservatives made it an express point to use their commercial power to send this message to LGBT Americans: you do not belong here. In a liberal democracy, it is well within the rights of religious conservatives to make such statements—in public, in private and from the pulpit. It is also well within the rights of the state to declare that using marketplace discrimination to do so is out of bounds.

 

Read Next: Steven Hsieh on on religious discrimination bills in other states

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They're done. Participation in organized religion has been cut in half in the last 30 years. The Millennials don't agree with them at all. They have been reduced to isolated pockets of noisy misfits desperately trying to retain any amount of relevancy. In another generation they will have been reduced to simply being tolerated. Ignored, and marginalized, but tolerated.

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you would think it would make sense to the religious nutters by now. gay marriage and pot are being legalized at the same time. it says in lev. 2013 that when a man lays with another man they should be stoned. the lunkheads were misinterpreting it.

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They're done. Participation in organized religion has been cut in half in the last 30 years. The Millennials don't agree with them at all. They have been reduced to isolated pockets of noisy misfits desperately trying to retain any amount of relevancy. In another generation they will have been reduced to simply being tolerated. Ignored, and marginalized, but tolerated.

see, what idiot libs like yourself dont get it. The ONLY entity Christians need to agree with, is God.

 

what you idiots ALSO dont get, is it is a BLESSING to suffer because of belief in Christ.

 

idiots like you want to criminalize opinion you disagree with. When yall are done dedtroying the constitution, you can. But, ehen you are done destroying the constitution, you will have destroyed yourselves. Moron!

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I see you're still a pleasant to be around. Ad hominem aside, I to was raised in a Christian family in the south. My grandmother taught me to be a loving and caring person, empathetic to others, to love thy neighbor as thy love thy self, to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, the Lord loveth a cheerful giver, don't judge lest ye be judged, you cannot serve God and mammon to.

Apparently you were taught a different version of the religion than I was. Have wonderful evening my brother.

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I see you're still a pleasant to be around. Ad hominem aside, I to was raised in a Christian family in the south. My grandmother taught me to be a loving and caring person, empathetic to others, to love thy neighbor as thy love thy self, to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, the Lord loveth a cheerful giver, don't judge lest ye be judged, you cannot serve God and mammon to.

Apparently you were taught a different version of the religion than I was. Have wonderful evening my brother.

 

Love the sinner, but hate the sin. Not speaking out of the sin, is being complicit in the sinful act.being tolerant aspires to mediocrity, while God and Christ require excellence.

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I was also taught not to pray in the streets as the hypocrites do. Not being a member of any organized religion, I use my education as a means of moral guidance. I find thumping a Bible both unsettling, and Blasphemous. It is my choice to have a personal relationship with God, not another mans. Nor is his approval required. The privilege of being a free American.

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and what make you think god agrees with you ? because a homophobe homosexual said so ? you bible is a lie , gods not nearly as evil as you think

God is not evil at all. God gave man woman for a help mate, not another man.

 

Jesus said what God has joined, let no man put assunder. God joined MAN and WOMAN, not man and man. So acting outside the plan of God, is sin. Hate the sin.

 

try again

I was also taught not to pray in the streets as the hypocrites do. Not being a member of any organized religion, I use my education as a means of moral guidance. I find thumping a Bible both unsettling, and Blasphemous. It is my choice to have a personal relationship with God, not another mans. Nor is his approval required. The privilege of being a free American.

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http://www.thenation.com/article/178820/bigots-lament

 

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The Bigot's Lament

After the defeat of Arizona's SB 1062, the religious right nurses its persecution complex.

 

 

Whether talking secession, hoarding bitcoin or refusing to expand Medicaid, the American right these days is obsessed with opting out of a society that its members increasingly see as an assault on their way of life. Their latest attempt to liberate themselves from the polity was Arizona’s 
SB 1062, a bill that would have exempted individuals and businesses from state law if it burdened their exercise of religion.

 

The legislation did not single out lesbians and gays, but it was plainly motivated by anti-gay animus. Recognizing as much, corporations like Apple, AT&T and Intel, as well as the Super Bowl Host Committee, condemned the measure, and the threat of a statewide boycott prompted the state’s Chamber of Commerce to go to “DefCon 1” against it. Critics also pointed out that the bill was gratuitous; it’s already legal in Arizona to refuse to do business with gay customers. All of which was enough to convince Republican Governor Jan Brewer to veto the bill on February 26.

 

This turn of events has merely reinforced the Christian right’s conviction that it is they who are the victims of, as Michele Bachmann put it, “a terrible intolerance.”

 

At The New York Times, house conservative Ross Douthat foresees a kind of anti-Christian Hunger Games in which the defeated religious right waits “to find out what settlement the victors will impose.” And what exactly will this reaping entail? Homophobes will be “marginalized” and “encouraged to conform.” Religiously affiliated schools and agencies will be required to follow the same laws as everyone else or forfeit their tax-exempt status. Christian businesses will be forced to bake cakes and make bouquets for gay weddings—and what could be a worse fate for someone who specializes in the comely arrangement of frosting or flowers?

 

Douthat casts all of this as a fait accompli, magicked into existence by the Supreme Court and a bit of vicious fairy power. And while he claims he doesn’t mean to sound “self-pitying”—“nobody should call it persecution,” he writes—that is, of course, precisely what he intends.

 

So why can’t gays accept a polite culture war truce by letting “the dissenters opt out”?

 

First, the forces behind Arizona’s SB 1062 don’t just want to be left alone to exalt heterosexual marriages. The Alliance Defending Freedom, the Scottsdale-based group that helped draft the bill, opposes same-sex marriage, gay parenting and adoption, and abortion in all cases. It filed an amicus brief in Lawrence v. Texas arguing that gay sodomy should remain a crime. More recently, it provided counsel to Yelena Mizulina, one of the legislators behind Russia’s anti-gay propaganda law, and spent over $1.5 million last year on “human rights legal work” for groups outside the United States. If the Alliance had its way, gays and lesbians would be a globally criminalized people, hounded from public life both by private discrimination and the state police apparatus.

 

Second, anti-gay discrimination still happens—a lot. According to a study by the Williams Institute, which examined data collected from 2004 to 2008, 27 percent of lesbian and gay employees reported workplace discrimination within those years; 7 percent of them reported losing a job because of their sexual orientation. Outside of employment, the case law is replete with incidents of gay people refused shelter, evicted from cabs and ejected from restaurants simply because of who they are. To suggest that these accommodation cases are about a right to wedding cake trivializes the point: the civil rights movement was not about the right to eat a sandwich at a lunch counter.

 

Third, the twenty-one state laws meant to remedy this discrimination were all passed by democratically elected legislatures and signed by democratically elected governors. Should the Employment Nondiscrimination Act clear Congress, where it has stalled for decades, it will also be the result of a democratic process that conservatives have had every chance to influence (and which they no doubt will try to undo via the back door of religious liberty laws).

Fourth, while it’s true that the courts have been ruling in favor of same-sex marriage, they have also been extremely deferential to religious freedom. It is perfectly legal in all fifty states for a Catholic church to refuse to hire a Jewish janitor. Moreover, the federal government has bent over backwards to carve out exemptions for religious organizations in other matters. For example, the Affordable Care Act allows Catholic organizations to deny contraception coverage to their employees—an exemption that conservatives are seeking to expand to private businesses via the Hobby Lobby case, currently before the Supreme Court.

 

Fifth, in states that do have anti-discrimination laws that cover sexual orientation, there is not exactly a record of religious persecution. Of the more than 250,000 administrative complaints concerning workplace discrimination lodged against businesses in those states from 2007 to 2012, less than 4 percent involved sexual orientation. Of those, only a fraction were resolved in favor of the plaintiff. It is exceedingly difficult to prove that one has been discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation, especially in matters of housing and accommodation. (Pro-tip to homophobes: if you’re going to discriminate against someone simply because he’s gay, maybe don’t put it in writing.)

 

The threshold for legal action, never mind ordinary etiquette, allows religious conservatives all kinds of ways to minimize their interactions with gay people. Those violations of anti-discrimination law that are prosecuted are almost invariably incidents in which religious conservatives made it an express point to use their commercial power to send this message to LGBT Americans: you do not belong here. In a liberal democracy, it is well within the rights of religious conservatives to make such statements—in public, in private and from the pulpit. It is also well within the rights of the state to declare that using marketplace discrimination to do so is out of bounds.

 

Read Next: Steven Hsieh on on religious discrimination bills in other states

 

Christians had better get their head out of the sand, and realize they are going to lose the Cultural War to Atheists, unless Christians get back into politics.

 

Cultural War

 

There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic lifestyle by democrats controlling government.

 

America has a choice of becoming an Atheistic Nation and being a sickly poor nation or staying a Christian Nation and being a healthy prosperous nation.

 

It will not be easy because of the Unholy Alliance

 

The Unholy Alliance

 

There is an Unholy Alliance that is a cancer in America.

 

There is a question as to whether the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry is the propaganda wing of the Democratic Party or the Democratic Party is the political wing of the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry.

 

The Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry makes big money from pornography, and the Democrats make sure the pornography is legal. The Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry makes political contributions to the Democrats to make sure the pornography stays legal. News is not a profitable industry so the pornography is used to fund the news activities.

 

The Democratic Party makes big money by managing the health care/welfare programs of the Poverty Plantation that is produced by the homosexuality, adultery and drugs advocated and encouraged by the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry.

 

When compared to perfection, Republicans did not look good, but when compared to democrats, Republicans look brilliant. Without the propaganda support of the Atheistic Liberal News Media the democrats would look ridiculous.

I see you're still a pleasant to be around. Ad hominem aside, I to was raised in a Christian family in the south. My grandmother taught me to be a loving and caring person, empathetic to others, to love thy neighbor as thy love thy self, to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, the Lord loveth a cheerful giver, don't judge lest ye be judged, you cannot serve God and mammon to.

Apparently you were taught a different version of the religion than I was. Have wonderful evening my brother.

 

Apparently you grandmother ignored the Righteousness of God.

 

1John 2:4 - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

I sure hope your grandmother repented.

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we will never again be a country that has an official, gov. sanctioned second class citizen. just like the blacks before, the gays will be totally equal under the law - cause that's the law of the land. I have no doubt the religious nutters will find another group (how about pork eaters) to vent the hate that their religion breeds.

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in your way of think incest is good?

 

you have no idea beyond the scope of your bible , and that's the word of men not god.

where did jesus say wedding vows? you make up crap that fits your insanity and say jesus said .

 

wow you prove jesus is made up . you quote him were it suits you .

 

actually the man name jesus never said one thing against gays . that was later after the religion started much later

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in your way of think incest is good?

 

you have no idea beyond the scope of your bible , and that's the word of men not god.

where did jesus say wedding vows? you make up crap that fits your insanity and say jesus said .

 

wow you prove jesus is made up . you quote him were it suits you .

 

actually the man name jesus never said one thing against gays . that was later after the religion started much later

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zaro

 

LOL .

we will always have a second class citian group . we need to hate a group, we need to have enemies .

that will never end .

plus you forgot woman they still hold a lower level then men .


always screws up Christians when you bring up cain and able , like who did they screw
? if they were adams only kids . hey would that make the boys gay?

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zaro

 

LOL .

we will always have a second class citian group . we need to hate a group, we need to have enemies .

that will never end .

plus you forgot woman they still hold a lower level then men .

always screws up Christians when you bring up cain and able , like who did they screw

? if they were adams only kids . hey would that make the boys gay?

I realize that. but as far as governmental sanctions for discrimination goes, I guess we have hitler to thank for showing us how fast chit spins out of control.

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see, what idiot libs like yourself dont get it. The ONLY entity Christians need to agree with, is God.

 

what you idiots ALSO dont get, is it is a BLESSING to suffer because of belief in Christ.

 

idiots like you want to criminalize opinion you disagree with. When yall are done dedtroying the constitution, you can. But, ehen you are done destroying the constitution, you will have destroyed yourselves. Moron!

Its that suffering part I have a problem with! Did Jeebus want us to suffer?

 

Do you enjoy self-flaggelation?

 

Do you have a heap load of guilt to deal with?

 

Remember, Ronald Reagan died for your sins, yet you keep on sinning! :P

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Its that suffering part I have a problem with! Did Jeebus want us to suffer?

 

Do you enjoy self-flaggelation?

 

Do you have a heap load of guilt to deal with?

 

Remember, Ronald Reagan died for your sins, yet you keep on sinning! :P

if you do not suffer, you do not grow. Period. U must think u r too good to offer any token sacrifice, and prize your temporary shell over eternity with God

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we will never again be a country that has an official, gov. sanctioned second class citizen. just like the blacks before, the gays will be totally equal under the law - cause that's the law of the land. I have no doubt the religious nutters will find another group (how about pork eaters) to vent the hate that their religion breeds.

They have quite an extensive HATE list to draw upon! Its endless!

 

And the perpetual war machine comes up with new bogeymen, all the time! The killing must go on!

 

What a sick, degenerate party the Rethugs are! :angry:

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"For example, the Affordable Care Act allows Catholic organizations to deny contraception coverage to their employees"

 

as if the catholics cared. they live just like protestants no matter what the pope says. use contraception just like it wasn't a sin. looks like they rather take their chances with their god than with their wallet



 

What a sick, degenerate party the Rethugs are! :angry:

gotta have god on their side 'cause hardly anybody else is on their side

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"For example, the Affordable Care Act allows Catholic organizations to deny contraception coverage to their employees"

 

as if the catholics cared. they live just like protestants no matter what the pope says. use contraception just like it wasn't a sin. looks like they rather take their chances with their god than with their wallet

 

gotta have god on their side 'cause hardly anybody else is on their side

 

with God on ones side, who else DO you need?? Lolol!!!

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if you do not suffer, you do not grow. Period. U must think u r too good to offer any token sacrifice, and prize your temporary shell over eternity with God

I am one with God. And he knows how much I have suffered, and that is way too much!

 

I have been in permanent pain ever since 1986. That is not the path way unto heaven.

 

WTF am I supposed to sacrifice?

 

Will your angry God feel better if I throw a virgin into the volcano?

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