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When Dems/libs think of socialism, I sincerely doubt they even know what that means. The first thing that comes in their mind is 'free shit'. Libs/Dems, do you know, through and through, what socialism entails? If you were asked to write up some essay or report explaining the infrastructure of the socialist model, would you be able to explain exactly what that model encompasses? I mean, just writing down 'we all get free stuff' would deserve an F.

 

I'd be happy to explain, in detail, what socialism means for a society but I am curious to see what you actually know.

 

 

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When Dems/libs think of socialism, I sincerely doubt they even know what that means. The first thing that comes in their mind is 'free [excrement]'. Libs/Dems, do you know, through and through, what socialism entails? If you were asked to write up some essay or report explaining the infrastructure of the socialist model, would you be able to explain exactly what that model encompasses? I mean, just writing down 'we all get free stuff' would deserve an F.

 

I'd be happy to explain, in detail, what socialism means for a society but I am curious to see what you actually know.

 

 

MANY GRADATIONS OF IT.

 

U.S. Military is largest form of it in the world.

 

It is NOT totalitarianism, so doN'T try to claim it is.

 

What happens to jobs when computers, robots & 3-D printers can produce EVERY MATERIAL THING? Will capitalism still work?

IDIOT CONS better start re-thinking their HATE of socialism. We may be better off with a government that can give all of US* EVERY MATERIAL THING, yet those of US who can provide entertainment can earn extra (extra what?).

 

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MANY GRADATIONS OF IT.

 

U.S. Military is largest form of it in the world.

 

It is NOT totalitarianism, so doN'T try to claim it is.

 

What happens to jobs when computers, robots & 3-D printers can produce EVERY MATERIAL THING? Will capitalism still work?

IDIOT CONS better start re-thinking their HATE of socialism. We may be better off with a government that can give all of US* EVERY MATERIAL THING, yet those of US who can provide entertainment can earn extra (extra what?).

 

http://www.liberalforum.org/index.php?/topic/160021-what-happens-to-jobs-when-computers-robots-can-produce/

http://www.freewebs....description.htm

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This is absolutely no explanation whatsoever. My question was asking for your knowledge of socialism, not whether or not non-libs hate it or not. Besides, you're wrong. The majority of the machinary in our military is contracted through the private sector...like 90% of it. Yes, our taxes pay for it, but the private sector is responsible for it. This goes the same for any technological advancement in America. The capitalists builds it. The government pays for it. The government is nothing more than the middle man. There are only 2 huge accomplishments that can be accreditted to the government. They built the first computer and they created the internet. Thats awesome, and they deserve full credit. However, it was the capitalists and free market that took those and made it exponentially times better. not the government.

 

Anyway, what is your knowledge of socialism? Do you know what it is?

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True, that's actually a better way to ask it. Good point.

If ancestors really want to united the world population of male and female lifetimes, orchestrated denial must end now mutually agreed upon by all social classifications acting as if character role playing means more than survival of the species living one sole lifetime at a time.

 

Make now the common ground as it is Eternity itself. Not beyond life or this atmosphere and is inclusive of the whole universe. Better to understand real than be a part of reality destroying what it needs just to prove how stupid pretending not to know gets.

 

This doesn't end societal evolution either, just absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

Time for complete honesty, not hope and faith anywhere but here now is a better place.

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Socialism is an economic system whereby the workers control the means of production. Since the government is freely elected, the government then represents the workers. Businesses are therefore conrtrolled and owned by the government. How's that ? Close enough ?

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socialism means basically the same as crony-capitalism.

Staging reality to replace knowing what real is all the time self contianed to this moment from conception to death as a specific part of ancestry, not a gift to the world but a replacement of those already lived in this atmosphere.

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Socialism is an economic system whereby the workers control the means of production. Since the government is freely elected, the government then represents the workers. Businesses are therefore conrtrolled and owned by the government. How's that ? Close enough ?

Not bad, very good. So businesses being owned and controlled by the government will now be at the mercy of the government. Here are some consequences of that model:

 

1. It benefits the few on the expense of the majority. When an entrepeneur establishes a business, he/she has the incentive to make it larger. The larger the business, the more jobs. More jobs, more incentives for the workers. In socialism, there is no incentives. it's like a huge insurance policy that when things get rough it will bring a safety net to the few. However, the majority who are contirbuting will suffer because of it. Also, the majority of the money is now controlled by the few, the government. How is this better than the 1% controlling the wealth? the government will be the new 1% controlling all the wealth leaving the workers high and dry.

 

2. Capitalism encourages entrepreneurship , socialism chokes it. Successfully capitalisim makes it possible to build a better life for ourselves. Socialism just looks at the results of successfull businesses, then steals it and gives it to everyone else. Absolutely no incentive to work.

 

3. Capitalism has produced more wealth in its' history than any economic model ever has. Yes, there are still poor people. But in most parts of the world poverty means you live in a crap hut made from straw and manuer. The poor in the US don't nearly live in those conditions. They dont because even the poor benefit from capitalism.

 

4. Socialism is wasteful. A man will work much harder to take care of himself, his family and his friends than he will to make money for the state, which will then waste most of it before redistributing it to people who aren't working as hard as the man who earned it in the first place.

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Not bad, very good. So businesses being owned and controlled by the government will now be at the mercy of the government. Here are some consequences of that model:

 

1. It benefits the few on the expense of the majority. When an entrepeneur establishes a business, he/she has the incentive to make it larger. The larger the business, the more jobs. More jobs, more incentives for the workers. In socialism, there is no incentives. it's like a huge insurance policy that when things get rough it will bring a safety net to the few. However, the majority who are contirbuting will suffer because of it. Also, the majority of the money is now controlled by the few, the government. How is this better than the 1% controlling the wealth? the government will be the new 1% controlling all the wealth leaving the workers high and dry.

 

2. Capitalism encourages entrepreneurship , socialism chokes it. Successfully capitalisim makes it possible to build a better life for ourselves. Socialism just looks at the results of successfull businesses, then steals it and gives it to everyone else. Absolutely no incentive to work.

 

3. Capitalism has produced more wealth in its' history than any economic model ever has. Yes, there are still poor people. But in most parts of the world poverty means you live in a crap hut made from straw and manuer. The poor in the US don't nearly live in those conditions. They dont because even the poor benefit from capitalism.

 

4. Socialism is wasteful. A man will work much harder to take care of himself, his family and his friends than he will to make money for the state, which will then waste most of it before redistributing it to people who aren't working as hard as the man who earned it in the first place.

 

 

the rich will always find a way to be at the top, let's face it.

 

right now we are moving in the direction of more government control, more regulations, and probably more taxes. But the USA still has a pretty good outlook for the next 50 years, at least compared to other countries around the world. We'll have another tech boom in the next 10-20 years, and the government will probably release some of those regulations and implement pro growth policies, different economies require different policies.

 

We have a certain segment of the population that is chronically unemployed, and incredibly ill-prepared for the competitive globalized world. I don't think we should let them fall through the cracks, we need to help retrain these people, and in the meantime, give them a safety net. healthcare is a big issue, also, and Im sure anyone who is for socialized medicine, is for socialism in your book? Our medical system is so much worse, it costs us twice as much of our GDP than other developed nations with good healthcare systems. We have the worst of both worlds.. and I think wanting to fix that, and also believing in a social safety net isn't the type of socialism that scares me, but it's probably because we aren't fascists. People like you demagogue the systems in Western Europe, too, and their quality of life indicators rival ours in many areas.

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the rich will always find a way to be at the top, let's face it.

 

 

Why is it, center is never considered the top of anything, yet central control of everything going on is the hub of capitalizing by misdirection, disrupting of natural balancing adding everything together currently?

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the rich will always find a way to be at the top, let's face it.

 

right now we are moving in the direction of more government control, more regulations, and probably more taxes. But the USA still has a pretty good outlook for the next 50 years, at least compared to other countries around the world. We'll have another tech boom in the next 10-20 years, and the government will probably release some of those regulations and implement pro growth policies, different economies require different policies.

 

We have a certain segment of the population that is chronically unemployed, and incredibly ill-prepared for the competitive globalized world. I don't think we should let them fall through the cracks, we need to help retrain these people, and in the meantime, give them a safety net. healthcare is a big issue, also, and Im sure anyone who is for socialized medicine, is for socialism in your book? Our medical system is so much worse, it costs us twice as much of our GDP than other developed nations with good healthcare systems. We have the worst of both worlds.. and I think wanting to fix that, and also believing in a social safety net isn't the type of socialism that scares me, but it's probably because we aren't fascists. People like you demagogue the systems in Western Europe, too, and their quality of life indicators rival ours in many areas.

Where did I demagogue? That is the first time Ive been accused of that ever. Where have I appealed to the emotions in order to get a point across? I just simply stated what the consequences of socialism is. There was no falsehood or exaggeration. I would also say it is more of an opinion that Western Europe's quality of life rival's ours. In what respect? I'll agree that our society is much more violent than theirs since we lead the world in the most incarcerations. However, to compare our challenges with Europe's challenges is apple and oranges. Many times socialists use Finalnd as an excellent example as good quality of life. Their education system ranks number 1 in the world. Thus, we should model ourselves after them. Thats just not realistic. First, Finland has only 5.3 million people. We have 310 million. 2. In Finland, they are extremly homogenous in their ethnic population. 93% are Finns. How many different cultures make up America? I don't know. This is virtually the same with the rest of Europe. So how you can say America should implement socialism because they did is erroranous. Apples and oranges. Personally, I believe America has a better quality of life based on the 'guns and butter' concept. That means, that America can afford to strengthen our military and internal infrastructure greatly without burdening the way of life of Americans. The fact that we can even sustain a 17 trillion dollar debt, in itself, is a pretty strong indicator of our lifestyle.

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I said people 'like you.'

 

Im not calling it socialism, you are.. Obama claims to really believe in capitalism as a driving force, and doesn't want to retard it too much, but y'all don't believe him. you're right, it is apples and oranges, I personally think we have the best position in the world, from energy to food to water, we're pretty dang lucky.

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I said people 'like you.'

 

Im not calling it socialism, you are.. Obama claims to really believe in capitalism as a driving force, and doesn't want to retard it too much, but y'all don't believe him. you're right, it is apples and oranges, I personally think we have the best position in the world, from energy to food to water, we're pretty dang lucky.

Lol! Yes, you said people like me implying...me. I am not one of those people who disregard Europes way of life. You are right, we are really dang lucky to live here. We were born with a lottery ticket as far as I am concerned, so lets not let socialism tear up that ticket. I have to disagree that Obama believes capitalism is a driving force. Most of his policies is centered on big government and government control. He has a history or saying one thing and doing another. So yes, you are right, I don't believe him. I also didnt' believe Bush when he was in office either. Both presidents have a strong history of saying one thing and doing another. Obama is a socialist, through and through.

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Lol! Yes, you said people like me implying...me. I am not one of those people who disregard Europes way of life. You are right, we are really dang lucky to live here. We were born with a lottery ticket as far as I am concerned, so lets not let socialism tear up that ticket. I have to disagree that Obama believes capitalism is a driving force. Most of his policies is centered on big government and government control. He has a history or saying one thing and doing another. So yes, you are right, I don't believe him. I also didnt' believe Bush when he was in office either. Both presidents have a strong history of saying one thing and doing another. Obama is a socialist, through and through.

 

I think there is a difference between social democracy and the fascist socialists we've seen in the past. Entrepreneurship isn't going away anytime soon, and I just don't think we'll see heavy handed enough policies to stop innovation and job creation, especially if we can actually get something for our tax dollars.

 

And I tell ya what, when the day comes that we all accept Big government, we can argue between Big Government and Bigger Government. i look forward to having more conservative people give quality input on how to run the government better. For instance, maybe people on the welfare roles can do some kind of work, even if it is just licking envelopes, or something like that? Clean up the damn neighborhood, or something.

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Don't get me wrong i think government is to big. i want to cut government just not in the middle of a long republican policy driven recession. the economy is weak has been for six years now. And obama can't get anything passed to help it. because republicans are on strike from helping the economy.

Republicans want a recession so they can point fingers. they are playing political games with the economy.

 

If the country remains this polarized, the only time things will get done is during times of great stress and urgency.. not a great way to govern, Democrats will probably do the same thing

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I think there is a difference between social democracy and the fascist socialists we've seen in the past. Entrepreneurship isn't going away anytime soon, and I just don't think we'll see heavy handed enough policies to stop innovation and job creation, especially if we can actually get something for our tax dollars.

 

And I tell ya what, when the day comes that we all accept Big government, we can argue between Big Government and Bigger Government. i look forward to having more conservative people give quality input on how to run the government better. For instance, maybe people on the welfare roles can do some kind of work, even if it is just licking envelopes, or something like that? Clean up the damn neighborhood, or something.

Well, I don't know about the conservative community, I am libertarian. I'll give you my input. You can think of it as quality or crap, but this is my input nonetheless. We stick to the original values and roles of the constitution which gives 3 roles of the government, and only 3.

 

1) To protect Americans from outside threats. (Military).

 

2) To protect Americans from each other or internal threats. (Law enforcement).

 

3) To resolve legal disputes. (Courts).

 

If the government ran according to these principles, the American people are more free to make a better life for themselves. It slipped way off track when the government and the lobbisits or special interests groups decided to mingle. Now, it's difficult tell the difference between the two. Government and capitalism should not mix. Let the government protect the people and let the people build a life through capitalism. The government frequently sides with big business, this is not in line with their 3 roles. But unfortunately, the left interpret that as capitalists being greedy and evil. Corporatism and capitalism are not the same.

Don't get me wrong i think government is to big. i want to cut government just not in the middle of a long republican policy driven recession. the economy is weak has been for six years now. And obama can't get anything passed to help it. because republicans are on strike from helping the economy.

Republicans want a recession so they can point fingers. they are playing political games with the economy.

I believe that the Republicans and the Democrats are nothing more than two cheeks on the same ass. I am libertarian. I bailed on the Republican party when the Patriot Act passed. That was the last straw for me.

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Well, I don't know about the conservative community, I am libertarian. I'll give you my input. You can think of it as quality or crap, but this is my input nonetheless. We stick to the original values and roles of the constitution which gives 3 roles of the government, and only 3.

 

1) To protect Americans from outside threats. (Military).

 

2) To protect Americans from each other or internal threats. (Law enforcement).

 

3) To resolve legal disputes. (Courts).

 

If the government ran according to these principles, the American people are more free to make a better life for themselves. It slipped way off track when the government and the lobbisits or special interests groups decided to mingle. Now, it's difficult tell the difference between the two. Government and capitalism should not mix. Let the government protect the people and let the people build a life through capitalism. The government frequently sides with big business, this is not in line with their 3 roles. But unfortunately, the left interpret that as capitalists being greedy and evil. Corporatism and capitalism are not the same.

I believe that the Republicans and the Democrats are nothing more than two cheeks on the same ass. I am libertarian. I bailed on the Republican party when the Patriot Act passed. That was the last straw for me.

 

 

I wouldn't argue things would be a lot more efficient without the government mucking things up, but I just don't think we'd be as compassionate, and it's worth the opportunity costs, in my opinion.

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I wouldn't argue things would be a lot more efficient without the government mucking things up, but I just don't think we'd be as compassionate, and it's worth the opportunity costs, in my opinion.

I think we would. My personal view is that the reason we seem to be more distant from each other is because the government divided us. What did people do before Welfare, social security, and Medicare? Well, they helped each other. I know you will get a lot of libs screaming "well they all starved to death and lived in poverty." That's not true. Of course Americans were in poverty, we still have that. So they are not saying anything different than what we have with government assistance. However, now people have abandoned the role to help their neighbor because the government is so involved that we have become apathetic toward each other. If someone needs food, we say "go get food stamps". Back in the day, people just gave people food.

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I think we would. My personal view is that the reason we seem to be more distant from each other is because the government divided us. What did people do before Welfare, social security, and Medicare? Well, they helped each other. I know you will get a lot of libs screaming "well they all starved to death and lived in poverty." That's not true. Of course Americans were in poverty, we still have that. So they are not saying anything different than what we have with government assistance. However, now people have abandoned the role to help their neighbor because the government is so involved that we have become apathetic toward each other. If someone needs food, we say "go get food stamps". Back in the day, people just gave people food.

 

Indeed, do you think there is any turning back though.. the one thing I think about Ron Paul, is that sure, his ideas are great, but it's almost like he is a preaching a religion. All his ideas are nice, but they aren't going to have an impact on me, they aren't going anywhere, he's too idealistic.

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When Dems/libs think of socialism, I sincerely doubt they even know what that means. The first thing that comes in their mind is 'free [excrement]'. Libs/Dems, do you know, through and through, what socialism entails? If you were asked to write up some essay or report explaining the infrastructure of the socialist model, would you be able to explain exactly what that model encompasses? I mean, just writing down 'we all get free stuff' would deserve an F.

 

I'd be happy to explain, in detail, what socialism means for a society but I am curious to see what you actually know.

 

 

"Do Libs/Dems know what socialism really means?"

 

NO! This is how politicians get away with what they do.

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Indeed, do you think there is any turning back though.. the one thing I think about Ron Paul, is that sure, his ideas are great, but it's almost like he is a preaching a religion. All his ideas are nice, but they aren't going to have an impact on me, they aren't going anywhere, he's too idealistic.

It may or may not be too late. You are right, there is a lot of idealism out there. Heck, what I am saying is idealistic also. However, I think the difference is that at one time we really did help each other, so it wasn't just an idea or a dream. It happened and it worked well. I wish I had a crystal ball, but I hate to give up hope. I think we can reverse it. However, it can only be reversed by society, not in the halls of congress.

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