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listen folks...This is not popular to say however it is complete and unarguable fact. This is in no way an attack on faithful Christians...That being said I will get to the point. I am sick and tired of people saying that the we have gotten away from the real and traditional meaning of Christmas. The truth is that "The meaning of Christmas" came after the holiday and it's traditions. Historians and archeologists agree that Jesus Christ was not born on December 25th, biblical and archeological evidence puts Jesus being born in September.
"So why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25th oh wise and powerful Jeff?"
In 320something AD the Emperor Constantine legalized Christianity in Rome. On February 27, 380 AD the Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official religion of The Roman Empire. Between those dates there were many early Christians missionaries who wanted to convert as many people as possible. One big issue with converting people was their love for the various pagan winter soloists celebrations threw out europe. So early missionaries had the classic logic of "if you cant beat em', join em'", they started to celebrate the birth of Christ on top of the very popular Roman holiday Saturnalia. The celebration activities for the holiday back then were pretty much exactly how Saturnalia was celebrated before except you also pay homage to the birth of Jesus. The Church authorities in Rome were not so quick to accept this compromise, they didn't embrace the holiday until the forth century. In the 16th century however, due to the Protestant Reform, Christmas was outlawed in England and subsequently in New England for about 25 years in the 1600's, due to it's pagan roots.
Now I am going to list some traditions of the various European pagan winter solstice holidays.
- During the holiday Saturnalia Romans would go from house to house singing and dancing for food and drink...basically caroling
-A Yule Log was burned during the winter solstice by Nordic countries in honor of the god Thor, pieces of the big log were saved and kept all year for good luck...I hope you didn't think a Yule Log had anything at all to do with Christ.
-During the holiday Saturnalia Romans would exchange gift of dolls, candles, and fake fruit....Sound a lot like giving Christmas presents.
-During the holiday Saturnalia Romans would give those in lower classes food and wine. It was also custom for wealthy Romans to serve their slaves and servants....Kind of like helping the needy
-In the Germanic Tribes it was custom to bring evergreen into the home during the winter as a way to remember it wont be brown and snowy for ever.....Basically they got a Christmas tree every year and left it up until March.
-There are many more Christmas traditions that have pagan roots but you get the point...right?

There are actually domination's of Christianity that do not celebrate Christmas for these reasons.

Where I am going with this is I believe people should stop getting hung up on the Jesus Christ aspect of Christmas as he was only add to the holiday as a "signing bonus". I think people should celebrate Christmas as it really is, an ancient holiday that has evolved to incorporate many cultural traditions from around the globe ...A time to be with family and friends, exchange gifts, feast like a king, help those less fortunate, and decorate your house in a way that is weird during any other time of year. Merry Christmas everyone, I hope you have a holiday filled with family and joy.
*Wisdom from SGT too tall Enjoy!

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Yes. And in reality, Christmas is really Easter.

 

At this time of the year the son of God Osiris represented by the constellation Orion dives below the horizon on the winter solstice and stays unseen for three days, then the 'son of God' is reborn. Rising to apex on the summer solstice.

 

Just saying. I am a Christian. But it's neat to know the origins of some of these beliefs.

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Yes. And in reality, Christmas is really Easter.

 

At this time of the year the son of God Osiris represented by the constellation Orion dives below the horizon on the winter solstice and stays unseen for three days, then the 'son of God' is reborn. Rising to apex on the summer solstice.

 

Just saying. I am a Christian. But it's neat to know the origins of some of these beliefs.

Question, winter solstice of the sothern hemisphere, does orion disappeared for three new moons? Trick question, so think carefully. Remember Easter comes after the full moon after the spring equinox of the northern hemisphere which is the fall in the southern hemisphere.

 

Now what was this stuff from Issac Newton and universal constants of action and reaction being equalled all the time????????? then 400 years later Einstein invents this relativity crap and a century later Al Gore sells global warming.

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Question, winter solstice of the sothern hemisphere, does orion disappeared for three new moons? Trick question, so think carefully. Remember Easter comes after the full moon after the spring equinox of the northern hemisphere which is the fall in the southern hemisphere.

 

Now what was this stuff from Issac Newton and universal constants of action and reaction being equalled all the time????????? then 400 years later Einstein invents this relativity crap and a century later Al Gore sells global warming.

The Southern Hemisphere is not known for any son of God cults that I know of.

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Jesus came the first time to save---

when He comes back it is to judge...

 

No power could stop him the first time.

 

No power will be able to stop the second time either...whatever date you want to pick...

 

Oh jeeze, one of you morons... Bet you watch the atmospheric sound videos and think it is the trumpets mentioned in revelations. C'mon brother religion had its place however in 2013 we can scientific prove over 65% of the bible is completely inaccurate. Maybe there is something else out there but I promise you the Christian god isn't as it says in your bible.

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Oh jeeze, one of you morons... Bet you watch the atmospheric sound videos and think it is the trumpets mentioned in revelations. C'mon brother religion had its place however in 2013 we can scientific prove over 65% of the bible is completely inaccurate. Maybe there is something else out there but I promise you the Christian god isn't as it says in your bible.

Your "promise" is not worth a bucket of warm spit.

The bible has never been shown to have an error.

Worm food or hell - you choose!

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Your "promise" is not worth a bucket of warm spit.

The bible has never been shown to have an error.

Worm food or hell - you choose!

Hahaha hang on....so youre telling me that you HONESTLY believe no part of the bible has been proven to be BS? Tell me about King David and his heirs? Tell me all about that kingdom as it is told in the bible.....Be careful I might have some stone cold links to throw your way.......Trust me buddy....I have been an Army Combat Medic only ever attached to Infantry for 8 years and I have almost 30 months deployed between Iraq and Afghanistan. I also went to Haiti after the quake. You cant imagine the amount of people I have LITERALLY saved and I have seen and been present been for the death of more people then I care to remember. I have cried with people I just met as they pass away, I am telling you there is no divine force that come and helps us save lives and NO ONE has ever said anything about a light. The Christian bible and the Koran are both filled with exaggerations, lies and other misleading stories, created to deceive, discourage and manipulate the people of the world. Dont get me wrong the bible, in my opinion, sets down nice set of virtues, it kept people fairly nice to each other as long as they were Christians. However in 2013 we have the technology and the science to move past the religions of the world. I promise you there will be Muslims targeting Christian for the foreseeable future unless there is a mass awakening (which is very unlikely in my life time). However it is coming, if atheism was a religion it would be the fastest growing in the world...Have you been to Europe lately? God is a thing of the past and a tourist attraction now.

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Jesus came the first time to save---

when He comes back it is to judge...

 

No power could stop him the first time.

 

No power will be able to stop the second time either...whatever date you want to pick...

Jesus died about 2000 years ago. He is still dead, and won't be coming back at all.

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Jesus lives and will still save you heathen libs if you only ask him in his name John 3:16

The bible is fiction, and Jesus is still dead. Not that an intellectually incompetent bonehead like you is capable of understanding reality. Stick with the messages your momma posts on the walls of her basement where you seek refuge from the outside.

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Projection on your part. It takes a moron like you to have faith in superstitious bullshit fairy tales.

Atheists can never prove God doesn't exist. I don't believe in atheists but you don't see me running around slamming them for their beliefs. Too bad the CHRISTIANS don't get violent like muslims do when you criticize their religion. It would end all this bullying you do.
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Atheists can never prove God doesn't exist. I don't believe in atheists but you don't see me running around slamming them for their beliefs. Too bad the CHRISTIANS don't get violent like muslims do when you criticize their religion. It would end all this bullying you do.

You're the moron claiming the existence of some imaginary deity. The onus is upon you to prove it. Do it, or shut the fuck up.

I support your right to indulge in your fantasies. I do not support your self-righteous attempt to force the nation to accept religious tyranny on your terms.

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You're the moron claiming the existence of some imaginary deity. The onus is upon you to prove it. Do it, or shut the fuck up.

I support your right to indulge in your fantasies. I do not support your self-righteous attempt to force the nation to accept religious tyranny on your terms.

Ya see I am all for separation between church and state and the right to religious freedom. I HATE the dumbass tea party members that sit on there high horse saying they uphold the constitution while at the same time trying to force their religious beliefs in governmental matters. Now that being said, I am an atheiset libertarian conservative who belives that weeds should be legalized, I am pro-choice, I HATE Obama Care, I very much disapprove of Obama, I believe in keeping a very powerful military, I believe in CAPITALISM, I believe in able bodies Anericans taking care if them selves, I am a straight maried family man and I believe that a family can be whatever an American says it is, i think it is appalling that Americans are actively trying infringe on other Americans rights because they prefer a mans anus to a beautiful juicy vagina. Tea Party members make me laugh but in a cute kind of way... The modern socialist Liberal on the other hand is an ememy of the US and should be treated as such, the average bill Clinton liberal is like a list soul, after someone really talks to them they can come to the right side.

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Hahaha hang on....so youre telling me that you HONESTLY believe no part of the bible has been proven to be BS? Tell me about King David and his heirs? Tell me all about that kingdom as it is told in the bible.....Be careful I might have some stone cold links to throw your way.......Trust me buddy....I have been an Army Combat Medic only ever attached to Infantry for 8 years and I have almost 30 months deployed between Iraq and Afghanistan. I also went to Haiti after the quake. You cant imagine the amount of people I have LITERALLY saved and I have seen and been present been for the death of more people then I care to remember. I have cried with people I just met as they pass away, I am telling you there is no divine force that come and helps us save lives and NO ONE has ever said anything about a light. The Christian bible and the Koran are both filled with exaggerations, lies and other misleading stories, created to deceive, discourage and manipulate the people of the world. Dont get me wrong the bible, in my opinion, sets down nice set of virtues, it kept people fairly nice to each other as long as they were Christians. However in 2013 we have the technology and the science to move past the religions of the world. I promise you there will be Muslims targeting Christian for the foreseeable future unless there is a mass awakening (which is very unlikely in my life time). However it is coming, if atheism was a religion it would be the fastest growing in the world...Have you been to Europe lately? God is a thing of the past and a tourist attraction now.

yes.. here we are 2000 plus years later and ever since they killed Jesus people like you have been saying nothing will ever come of it...since He defeated death and rose nothing can stop him least of all you.

It must really get under your skin to see all the churches in my God's name. Why can't you kill him?

Sin has caused death. God cursed mankind with death. Every death you saw was from God's curse.

I have science degrees and you know less about science than you do the bible. What you believe amounts to horse shyt on the bottom of a shoe.

 

If it makes you feel any better the bible has predicted that almost all humanity will fall away from the church. If you see that is the direction we are going (and we are) then you are seeing the bible come to life before your eyes. For years I have predicted (correctly) the drug and gay laws will be passed. You can write this down--the polys and zoos and necros are right behind.

 

How do I know? The bible has predicted it. Go ahead and write down school shooting as well...

 

There are no "Muslimes" targeting Christians - it is what it has always been - satan. Your leader (satan) will try anything - including using people like you - to try and stop God. You will believe you are winning as you kill Christians but in the end you will fail. There are only two teams. satan has thousands of false religions and no religions to try and get as many poor fools to go to hell as possible. Too bad you are one of them.

 

Just as satan tried to stop Jesus from being born - then tried to kill him over and over - it all went to God's plan. Jesus was rejected and killed for the sins of those that accept Jesus. The rest of you are toast.

 

As you sit and brood over all the millions of Christians celebrating the birth of our Savior (Savior from Hell) you must wonder how all those people can be so stupid. I feel so sorry for you. The awful day you must look into the "eyes of fire" (yea - throw those links at me why don't you look that one up) and realize you choose the wrong team it will be a feeling like running over a baby in your driveway. You SHOULD have looked and paid attention but you didn't. Now you will have to pay.

 

We know from the bible you will be found guilty and sent to hell forever. I guess the only good news I have for you is you will agree with your punishment and you won't feel you have been treated unfairly (that is in the bible as well).

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yes.. here we are 2000 plus years later and ever since they killed Jesus people like you have been saying nothing will ever come of it...since He defeated death and rose nothing can stop him least of all you.

It must really get under your skin to see all the churches in my God's name. Why can't you kill him?

Sin has caused death. God cursed mankind with death. Every death you saw was from God's curse.

I have science degrees and you know less about science than you do the bible. What you believe amounts to horse shyt on the bottom of a shoe.

 

If it makes you feel any better the bible has predicted that almost all humanity will fall away from the church. If you see that is the direction we are going (and we are) then you are seeing the bible come to life before your eyes. For years I have predicted (correctly) the drug and gay laws will be passed. You can write this down--the polys and zoos and necros are right behind.

 

How do I know? The bible has predicted it. Go ahead and write down school shooting as well...

 

There are no "Muslimes" targeting Christians - it is what it has always been - satan. Your leader (satan) will try anything - including using people like you - to try and stop God. You will believe you are winning as you kill Christians but in the end you will fail. There are only two teams. satan has thousands of false religions and no religions to try and get as many poor fools to go to hell as possible. Too bad you are one of them.

 

Just as satan tried to stop Jesus from being born - then tried to kill him over and over - it all went to God's plan. Jesus was rejected and killed for the sins of those that accept Jesus. The rest of you are toast.

 

As you sit and brood over all the millions of Christians celebrating the birth of our Savior (Savior from Hell) you must wonder how all those people can be so stupid. I feel so sorry for you. The awful day you must look into the "eyes of fire" (yea - throw those links at me why don't you look that one up) and realize you choose the wrong team it will be a feeling like running over a baby in your driveway. You SHOULD have looked and paid attention but you didn't. Now you will have to pay.

 

We know from the bible you will be found guilty and sent to hell forever. I guess the only good news I have for you is you will agree with your punishment and you won't feel you have been treated unfairly (that is in the bible as well).

No man, I dont think y'all are stupid...I just think it is a tragedy how many man hours are wasted away hearing lies every week. It makes me so sad every time I look at the yards in low-income neighborhoods, I feel like the poor are the ones that suffer the most from religion. We all know that "missionaries" bread and butter are the poor folk, in any country. Not to mention a low educated person tents to be low income as well which makes them even better sheep! Where I am going with this I am so sad when I think how amazing those low-income yards could be if only they had time on Sunday to do a little landscaping.....Just a shame! LOL

Oh and I am sick of this god damn stereotype! Listen I am swinging for the conservative side in every issue with the exception to the gay marriage crap and pro-choice. I dislike Obama more as much as the next Iraq and Afghan vet! (and trust me 90% of us HATE HIS ASS)

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You're the moron claiming the existence of some imaginary deity. The onus is upon you to prove it. Do it, or shut the fuck up.

I support your right to indulge in your fantasies. I do not support your self-righteous attempt to force the nation to accept religious tyranny on your terms.

 

No, the onus is on you to prove that GOD doesn't exist. As it stands now you had better hope there is no GOD because when you pass on you're fucked. Quit trying to push your atheist views on everyone else you intolerant piece of shit. I damn well KNOW you don't say this anti GOD shit to a muslim in person you chickenshit little bastard.

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listen folks...This is not popular to say however it is complete and unarguable fact. This is in no way an attack on faithful Christians...That being said I will get to the point. I am sick and tired of people saying that the we have gotten away from the real and traditional meaning of Christmas. The truth is that "The meaning of Christmas" came after the holiday and it's traditions. Historians and archeologists agree that Jesus Christ was not born on December 25th, biblical and archeological evidence puts Jesus being born in September.

"So why do we celebrate Christmas on December 25th oh wise and powerful Jeff?"

In 320something AD the Emperor Constantine legalized Christianity in Rome. On February 27, 380 AD the Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official religion of The Roman Empire. Between those dates there were many early Christians missionaries who wanted to convert as many people as possible. One big issue with converting people was their love for the various pagan winter soloists celebrations threw out europe. So early missionaries had the classic logic of "if you cant beat em', join em'", they started to celebrate the birth of Christ on top of the very popular Roman holiday Saturnalia. The celebration activities for the holiday back then were pretty much exactly how Saturnalia was celebrated before except you also pay homage to the birth of Jesus. The Church authorities in Rome were not so quick to accept this compromise, they didn't embrace the holiday until the forth century. In the 16th century however, due to the Protestant Reform, Christmas was outlawed in England and subsequently in New England for about 25 years in the 1600's, due to it's pagan roots.

Now I am going to list some traditions of the various European pagan winter solstice holidays.

- During the holiday Saturnalia Romans would go from house to house singing and dancing for food and drink...basically caroling

-A Yule Log was burned during the winter solstice by Nordic countries in honor of the god Thor, pieces of the big log were saved and kept all year for good luck...I hope you didn't think a Yule Log had anything at all to do with Christ.

-During the holiday Saturnalia Romans would exchange gift of dolls, candles, and fake fruit....Sound a lot like giving Christmas presents.

-During the holiday Saturnalia Romans would give those in lower classes food and wine. It was also custom for wealthy Romans to serve their slaves and servants....Kind of like helping the needy

-In the Germanic Tribes it was custom to bring evergreen into the home during the winter as a way to remember it wont be brown and snowy for ever.....Basically they got a Christmas tree every year and left it up until March.

-There are many more Christmas traditions that have pagan roots but you get the point...right?

 

There are actually domination's of Christianity that do not celebrate Christmas for these reasons.

 

Where I am going with this is I believe people should stop getting hung up on the Jesus Christ aspect of Christmas as he was only add to the holiday as a "signing bonus". I think people should celebrate Christmas as it really is, an ancient holiday that has evolved to incorporate many cultural traditions from around the globe ...A time to be with family and friends, exchange gifts, feast like a king, help those less fortunate, and decorate your house in a way that is weird during any other time of year. Merry Christmas everyone, I hope you have a holiday filled with family and joy.

*Wisdom from SGT too tall Enjoy!

Groans.... This has been gon over every year. The purpose of Christmas was to remember Jesus's birthday. The actual date was never know other than it was during the spring. December 25 was picked so it would absorb popular the popular pagan holiday Saturnalia. Rome was very much Christian when this was done so it made sense to pick this day to move Christianity forward into the popular culture at the time.

Christmas is not a sacrament or necessary. The truth is many early church fathers were against the whole idea of celebrating Jesus' birthday because they thought it would trivialize His work and the true meaning of his life which was to attone for our sins. This is why Easter is the holiday that has the most meaning for Christians.

 

Evangelical atheists make to much out of the origins of Christmas. If you don't like it, don't celebrate it. As a Christian Christmas is nice but not necessary. My faith in God and Jesus as my savior has nothing to do with any holiday. This is all mindless bickering between those who believe and those who don't. The fact is Christmas is a cultural holidy today. If you want to give presents to people, fine. If you want to go to church fine. It's pathetic that we get the same retreaded arguments every year. Live and let live.

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Groans.... This has been gon over every year. The purpose of Christmas was to remember Jesus's birthday. The actual date was never know other than it was during the spring. December 25 was picked so it would absorb popular the popular pagan holiday Saturnalia. Rome was very much Christian when this was done so it made sense to pick this day to move Christianity forward into the popular culture at the time.

Christmas is not a sacrament or necessary. The truth is many early church fathers were against the whole idea of celebrating Jesus' birthday because they thought it would trivialize His work and the true meaning of his life which was to attone for our sins. This is why Easter is the holiday that has the most meaning for Christians.

 

Evangelical atheists make to much out of the origins of Christmas. If you don't like it, don't celebrate it. As a Christian Christmas is nice but not necessary. My faith in God and Jesus as my savior has nothing to do with any holiday. This is all mindless bickering between those who believe and those who don't. The fact is Christmas is a cultural holidy today. If you want to give presents to people, fine. If you want to go to church fine. It's pathetic that we get the same retreaded arguments every year. Live and let live.

kind of what I was saying...However you are off about Rome, unfortunately the church finally embracing "Christmas", which happened almost 100 years after people started celebrating it, had alot to do with the growing "Jewish problem" in the empire. I didnt want to get into that but it is some dark shiit I assure you. Also the birth of Jesus holiday made it easier for many former pagans to understand, they had trouble picturing him as a man and not "a spirit".

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