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oh god, who opened the door and let another filthy white supremacist in

 

Love it.......another talking points fruitbag.

 

And I was shocked when you couldn't answer a question, you immediately reached into you pocket to pull out the race card. Man......have never seen that before. :wacko:

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U are so quick to judge others based on skin color on here. I am willing to bet my 13 daughter has done more to help needed blacks this past year than you have done in ten years.

She just received a nice acknowledgment recently at her school for work she has done in Africa. She also had a nice write up in the local newspaper for what she did this past Halloween. She organized over 80 kids from her school that went out and asked for can goods and other food instead of candy. With the article they also included a nice picture with her and with families that she helped feed. Most of those were black people that were in need of some help. I wonder where she got that kindness from? You can continue spewing ur filth and hate but it is falling on deaf ears here.

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That was hilarious RSIG....I was reading the thread! They defend something they know nothing about because it came from Obama. I let him paint himself in a corner with me too. Funny when you get to the direct question you get every excuse besides the answer.... :D

 

Marthas is [excrement]ano He never answered your direct question of how someone who couldn't afford $1000 a month with a 5K deductible. but, but, your crazy. This disaster is imploding right in front of them but they think they can just will reality away..... :D

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What's funny is that Shintao, despite claiming that Obama's signature legislation is working so well, doesn't want to give the man credit.

 

How curious that up until the rollout flopped, he and all the rest of the socialists were perfectly happy calling it Obamacare.

 

Now it's ACA.

 

ACA.

 

ACA.

 

LOL!

 

I am asking how a person that cant afford ins now be able to afford paying $1000 month for the premium and another $5000 before the ins kicks in.

Ask Shintao that again. I want to watch him WEASEL.

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Stop the BS and talking points. So where is the other 38 million?

LOLOL. That flaccid bullcrap won't fly. The thing has only been open for few MONTHS. Your masters know their dream of continuing to deny healthcare to people is a lost cause. Read the memo.

 

As for master, I am my own master and in charge of my own destiny.

 

Except for that pesky and difficult thinking for yourself thing.

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LOLOL. That flaccid bullcrap won't fly. The thing has only been open for few MONTHS. Your masters know their dream of continuing to deny healthcare to people is a lost cause. Read the memo.

 

As for master, I am my own master and in charge of my own destiny.

 

Except for that pesky and difficult thinking for yourself thing.

 

 

You're right Obamacare is bullcrap it it ain't going to fly.

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How many people have actually PAID for their Obamanocare plan? ZERO.

How can you pay for something you can't sign up for? Be ready for the IRS to fine those that don't or can't get signed up though.

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I blame Republicans and for-profit insurance companies. They wrote the legislation. Liberals wanted either single-payer or socialized medicine.

 

If only Democrats had never created those evil for profit insurance companies in the first place...why is it that liberals never seem to pass any of the legislation they "want", and only manage to sign into law legislation that hurts working Americans for the benefit of the ultra wealthy?

 

Oh lord, TW, are you serious?

 

You are, dont answer that.

 

Poor little racist bigot, you are in the minority for the first time in your life and you are so frightened you lock your doors at night with dead bolts, you have guns in each room in case scary Black people invade, etc.

 

am I right :D

 

 

 

and I was right, as usual...Look guys, seriously, and no kidding, EVERYBODY knows you are racists.

 

We know you are trying to stop minorities and students from voting, and the day is coming that we will deal with that, trust me

 

This is not a discussion about whether or not you are a racist and oppose Obama solely because of that, this is a given that all agree with

 

How exactly are Republicans attempting to stop students and minorities from voting? You've never had a problem with your party suppressing the voting rights of minorities and and lower income individuals.

 

 

November was 4 x October's signups and December looks to be better. How awful for you.

 

How is that going to change the fact that the vast majority of Americans signing up for insurance through the exchanges are essentially uninsured? If a few hundred dollars wasn't in their budget before the ACA, what makes you think they'll suddenly be able to pull $5,000 out of thin air when they break their leg?

LOLOL. That flaccid bullcrap won't fly. The thing has only been open for few MONTHS. Your masters know their dream of continuing to deny healthcare to people is a lost cause. Read the memo.

 

As for master, I am my own master and in charge of my own destiny.

 

Except for that pesky and difficult thinking for yourself thing.

 

Republicans didn't create HMO's, but I'll give you a hint who did. The same dude that wrote the ACA...

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Republicans didn't create HMO's, but I'll give you a hint who did. The same dude that wrote the ACA...

Irrelevant.

 

The ACA is here to stay. The Republicans' relentless, treasonous efforts to deny people affordable healthcare to benefit private insurance companies has failed.

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Irrelevant.

 

The ACA is here to stay. The Republicans relentless and treasonous efforts to deny people affordable healthcare to benefit private insurance companies has failed.

 

You don't think it benefits private insurance companies, and essentially denies Americans affordable health care, by allowing insurance companies to charge ridiculous premiums AND deductibles?

 

How much health care services to you use in a given year? What do you think the national average is?

 

The ACA did ABSOLUTELY nothing to make health care affordable, because hospitals can still charge WHATEVER they want, you have no idea what the price is, you can't make returns, and your insurance company has no way of proving if services provided to you were necessary.

 

A couple years ago I had a permanent IV put in at a hospital after a sinus infection came back(so the second stay inside a month), but the doctor had it removed before I was discharged because he didn't think I needed additional home care. The hospital STILL TRIED to charge my insurance for a $10,000 procedure. Insurance companies are not the problem, a hospital system with ZERO accountability and ZERO recourse for consumers is the problem, and the free market could fix it inside of a year.

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You don't think it benefits private insurance companies, and essentially denies Americans affordable health care, by allowing insurance companies to charge ridiculous premiums AND deductibles?

Under the previous system, most people could not afford to pay directly for health insurance. Now, they can. Those are FACTS.

 

Of course, single payer would have been ideal, but the treasonous cons made sure that didn't happen. I think Obama is quite brilliant - he knew treasonous cons would continue to serve their corporate masters and never allow single payer, so he did the next best thing. He got his foot in the door. With Americans realizing they don't have to be raped for insurance company profits, any con trying to push them back in the rape lines will be committing political suicide.

 

Single payer is coming, no doubt about it.

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Blah scehuled three dentists appointments back to back due to fear of my insurance changing for the aca... January

 

At the dentistbofficevright now fixing to get two wusdoms cutout...

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Under the previous system, most people could not afford to pay directly for health insurance. Now, they can. Those are FACTS.

 

Of course, single payer would have been ideal, but the treasonous cons made sure that didn't happen. I think Obama is quite brilliant - he knew treasonous cons would continue to serve their corporate masters and never allow single payer, so he did the next best thing. He got his foot in the door. With Americans realizing they don't have to be raped for insurance company profits, any con trying to push them back in the rape lines will be committing political suicide.

 

Single payer is coming, no doubt about it.

 

I don't think you're understanding the actual problem with our system. Insurance companies by definition are a mechanism to control costs. If you're in an accident and your car needs repairs, your insurance company is the one making sure the mechanic isn't charging ridiculous rates to get those repairs done, and likewise health insurance companies apply downward pressure on the charges a hospital can place on you for various services.

 

Hospitals, not insurance companies, ARE THE PROBLEM. You have doctors with massive student loans and 10 years of their lives committed to their profession before they START making money, combined with countless opportunities for very large kickbacks for referring you to specialists and prescribing medications.

 

My exwife used to work for a PT clinic as a biller, and brought up the fact that they were making over a MILLION dollars a year in direct payments to referring doctors. Shortly thereafter she was fired, and with that put into perspective, how much profit do you think was being made to justify over a million dollars a year in "advertisement" expenses?

 

We could cut our health care expenses IN HALF in a year with one very simple reform, and that's requiring hospitals to itemize your bill. Once people realize exactly what their insurance companies are paying for, they'll start taking steps to reduce their costs, but no matter how big the risk pool is health care costs will never go down if the focus is on insurance.

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The ACA is here to stay.

No doubt Ceausescu said Communism is here to stay too. :D

 

Oh and by the way, you meant Obamacare, didn't you? :P

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Most people my ass!!! Most people had ins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We turned our entire system upside down to pretty much give ins to people. Of those that didn't, how many did not want it? Like they say " you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig". So many things are wrong with this bill and many more will come to fruition as time goes.

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November was 4 x October's signups and December looks to be better. How awful for you.

Is that really a good statistic if people are losing their insurance they were promised they could keep, and then being forced to signup?

 

You ARE, a little caeser.

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I see not one person can give me a honest answer.

 

How do we expect those who can't afford HC now to afford to pay a 12,000 deductable ?

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I see not one person can give me a honest answer.

 

How do we expect those who can't afford HC now to afford to pay a 12,000 deductable ?

 

By stealing?

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I don't think you're understanding the actual problem with our system.

LOLOL.

 

Insurance companies by definition are a mechanism to control costs. If you're in an accident and your car needs repairs, your insurance company is the one making sure the mechanic isn't charging ridiculous rates to get those repairs done, and likewise health insurance companies apply downward pressure on the charges a hospital can place on you for various services.

 

They also apply downward pressure on what they pay you, and upward pressure on what they charge you. They don't give a flying fuck about what those providers charge you - all they care about is what they have to reimburse.

 

Hospitals, not insurance companies, ARE THE PROBLEM. You have doctors with massive student loans and 10 years of their lives committed to their profession before they START making money, combined with countless opportunities for very large kickbacks for referring you to specialists and prescribing medications.

 

Hospitals have had to raise rates to compensate for the fact that insurance companies relentlessly try NOT to pay for services, or to reimburse for only a percentage of the actual cost. The fact that there are people who exploit that problem for personal gain is hardly surprising.

 

My exwife used to work for a PT clinic as a biller, and brought up the fact that they were making over a MILLION dollars a year in direct payments to referring doctors. Shortly thereafter she was fired, and with that put into perspective, how much profit do you think was being made to justify over a million dollars a year in "advertisement" expenses? We could cut our health care expenses IN HALF in a year with one very simple reform, and that's requiring hospitals to itemize your bill. Once people realize exactly what their insurance companies are paying for, they'll start taking steps to reduce their costs, but no matter how big the risk pool is health care costs will never go down if the focus is on insurance.

 

Demonizing doctors and hospitals is absurd. The problem - the one that YOU clearly don't understand - is that having healthcare be a FOR PROFIT SYSTEM puts all providers and insurance companies in direct conflict with the insured person. The above clusterfuck is the inevitable outcome of such a system.

 

The solution is single payer - the government is not in it to make a profit, there are no obscene executive salaries and expense accounts and golden parachutes and advertising budgets and stock dividends - and it can basically DICTATE what healthcare providers can charge.

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The problem - the one that YOU clearly don't understand - is that having healthcare be a FOR PROFIT SYSTEM puts all providers and insurance companies in direct conflict with the insured person. The above clusterfuck is the inevitable outcome of such a system.

 

The solution is single payer - the government is not in it to make a profit, there are no obscene executive salaries and expense accounts and golden parachutes and advertising budgets and stock dividends - and it can basically DICTATE what healthcare providers can charge.

 

I'm just curious, Isabel.

 

Do you know that the USSR instituted a single payer health care system.

 

They made it a non-profit system, just like you demand.

 

Had lots of time to get all the bugs out.

 

And how did that turn out (and never mind the propaganda regugitated by useful Democrat idiots prior to the collapse of the USSR which applauded the wonderful Soviet system)?

 

How did it INEVITABLY turn out?

 

Hmmmmm?

 

:D

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I'm just curious, Isabel.

 

Do you know that the USSR instituted a single payer health care system.

 

They made it a non-profit system, just like you demand.

 

Had lots of time to get all the bugs out.

 

And how did that turn out (and never mind the propaganda regugitated by useful Democrat idiots prior to the collapse of the USSR which applauded the wonderful Soviet system)?

 

How did it INEVITABLY turn out?

 

Hmmmmm?

 

:D

LOLOL. Yeah, because the USSR and the USA are IDENTICAL in every other way!

 

What an ass you are.

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Yeah, because the USSR and the USA are IDENTICAL in every other way!

What chutzpah.

 

When Democrats were drooling over the health care systems of the UK, Sweden and other European countries and saying ours should be like theirs ...

 

... didn't they just simply dismiss our argument that differences in those countries made comparison with ours invalid?

 

That's exactly what folks like you did ... on this very forum.

 

In any case, how, specifically, did the state interfere in the USSR's single payer health care system in a way that Obamacare won't?

 

What is it specifically that you claim invalidates the comparison?

 

Or is vaguenss all you deal in?

 

What an ass you are.

 

This, from someone who claimed Clinton wasn't impeached?

 

This, from someone who claimed Obama promised no freebies?

 

This, from someone who then started a thread claiming Democrats are smarter than Republicans?

 

LOL!

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How can you pay for something you can't sign up for? Be ready for the IRS to fine those that don't or can't get signed up though.

Yeah it's a fooking dimocrat MESS.

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