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LOL! We told you they were in the ACA but you cried. Of course they are not called "death panels" but it is reationing. No matter how loud you liberals cry about this, it is in the ACA and has to happen to control cost in this massive bloated program.

I guess later Halperin said he never said death panels and tried to do damage control. LOL! Pathetic. Someone at the DNC got to him.

MALZBERG, HOST: A lot of people said you weren’t going to be able to keep your health care, but also they focused on the death panels, which will be coming, call them what you will, rationing, is part of it...

 

HALPERIN: No, I agree, and that’s going to be a huge issue, and that’s something else on which the president was not fully forthcoming and straightforward.

 

MALZBERG: So, you believe there will be rationing, a.k.a. death panels?

 

HALPERIN: It's built into the plan. It's not like a guess or like a judgment. That's going to be part of how costs are controlled.

 

 

 

 

 

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So one guy says "O-care has death panels" and you believe it? Good God, he didn't even say they existed -- they "will be coming." Well I say giant talking broccoli stalks will come down my street tomorrow and offer to rake my leaves. Guess it must be true! It's on the inter webs.

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It not just one person saying it. but the people denying it are well known liars

 

Well gee gosh, when the word gets out, when families start spreading the word that death panels killed their loved ones, I guess the Congress will strike that part. The truth is that (and this predates O-care, btw) hospitals regularly convene panels of physicians to discuss terminal cases, and they come to a consensus on the best advice to give the family. The family of course is not bound by this advisory.

 

Care is already rationed in this country. It's rationed to the people who have out of pocket money (d*mn few of them) and people who have insurance. Others lose their homes and jobs and they or their loved ones die anyway. D'you have any idea what something as common as renal dialysis costs per week? Per year? Suppose you don't have the money for it? Some luck out and get on a program or other financial assistance, but not everyone manages that. Do they deserve to die because of lack of money? Is it because of Republican pronouncements that "they made bad life decisions," as if every part of our lives were under our express control? You people. Pfah.

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So one guy says "O-care has death panels" and you believe it? Good God, he didn't even say they existed -- they "will be coming." Well I say giant talking broccoli stalks will come down my street tomorrow and offer to rake my leaves. Guess it must be true! It's on the inter webs.

So one will be performing cost analysis? Contrary to Obama's little speil about giving someone a little red pill a few years back instead of that hip operation? I will be able to have any procedure I or my doctor decide is needed?

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Well gee gosh, when the word gets out, when families start spreading the word that death panels killed their loved ones, I guess the Congress will strike that part. The truth is that (and this predates O-care, btw) hospitals regularly convene panels of physicians to discuss terminal cases, and they come to a consensus on the best advice to give the family. The family of course is not bound by this advisory.

 

Care is already rationed in this country. It's rationed to the people who have out of pocket money (d*mn few of them) and people who have insurance. Others lose their homes and jobs and they or their loved ones die anyway. D'you have any idea what something as common as renal dialysis costs per week? Per year? Suppose you don't have the money for it? Some luck out and get on a program or other financial assistance, but not everyone manages that. Do they deserve to die because of lack of money? Is it because of Republican pronouncements that "they made bad life decisions," as if every part of our lives were under our express control? You people. Pfah.

Are you sure you know fully what rationing means?

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LisaB is a full fledged, goose stepping progressive. People like lisab exemplify the reason why we can not discuss the honest faults of any progressive plan. She would rather ignore the faults of the plans she supports and turn the discussion to one of republicans. It is standard fare from her. Divert to the other guy.

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So one guy says "O-care has death panels" and you believe it? Good God, he didn't even say they existed -- they "will be coming." Well I say giant talking broccoli stalks will come down my street tomorrow and offer to rake my leaves. Guess it must be true! It's on the inter webs.

LOL It isn't one guy. It is another in a massive list that has been saying they are in there. This time it happens to be a big liberal.

 

Why do you wish to remain so blind to this issue. Everyone who is rational can see the system has to have rationing of care to save on the cost of the system. This is why the system is built around young 20-30 adults getting into the system, paying all that money but not using the system because they have very few health issues at those ages. Come one Lisa, I know you are a smart person.

 

LisaB is a full fledged, goose stepping progressive. People like lisab exemplify the reason why we can not discuss the honest faults of any progressive plan. She would rather ignore the faults of the plans she supports and turn the discussion to one of republicans. It is standard fare from her. Divert to the other guy.

No, it's people like LIsaB why we can't have nice things. :(

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So one guy says "O-care has death panels" and you believe it? Good God, he didn't even say they existed -- they "will be coming." Well I say giant talking broccoli stalks will come down my street tomorrow and offer to rake my leaves. Guess it must be true! It's on the inter webs.

Suddenly Lisa doesn't like/Believe Halperin. Too funny.

 

 

Well gee gosh, when the word gets out, when families start spreading the word that death panels killed their loved ones, I guess the Congress will strike that part. The truth is that (and this predates O-care, btw) hospitals regularly convene panels of physicians to discuss terminal cases, and they come to a consensus on the best advice to give the family. The family of course is not bound by this advisory.

 

Care is already rationed in this country. It's rationed to the people who have out of pocket money (d*mn few of them) and people who have insurance. Others lose their homes and jobs and they or their loved ones die anyway. D'you have any idea what something as common as renal dialysis costs per week? Per year? Suppose you don't have the money for it? Some luck out and get on a program or other financial assistance, but not everyone manages that. Do they deserve to die because of lack of money? Is it because of Republican pronouncements that "they made bad life decisions," as if every part of our lives were under our express control? You people. Pfah.

Sorry, but no one in this country is denied care because they can't pay.

I've told this story here repeatedly because idiots like you continue to lie: My wife was in the hospital and an illegal alien in the next room was getting the same care my wife was. No insurance, no ability to pay, not even a citizen and he got care.

How do you explain that?

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Sorry, but no one in this country is denied care because they can't pay.

Researchers from Harvard Medical School say the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States -- a toll that is greater than the number of people who die each year from kidney disease.

 

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The Harvard study found that people without health insurance had a 40 percent higher risk of death than those with private health insurance -- as a result of being unable to obtain necessary medical care. The risk appears to have increased since 1993, when a similar study found the risk of death was 25 percent greater for the uninsured.

 

The increase in risk, according to the study, is likely to be a result of at least two factors. One is the greater difficulty the uninsured have today in finding care, as public hospitals have closed or cut back on services. The other is improvements in medical care for insured people with treatable chronic conditions like high blood pressure. [The New York Times, 9/17/09]

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Researchers from Harvard Medical School say the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States -- a toll that is greater than the number of people who die each year from kidney disease.

Nope. The poor get free care.

No one is turned away when they need care.

 

But regardless they hyperbole, Obamacare is making more people uninsured than it is insuring.

Is that what you intended when you supported this?

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Researchers from Harvard Medical School say the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States -- a toll that is greater than the number of people who die each year from kidney disease.

 

Well gosh,what a shame millions of Americans are losing their coverage because of Obamacare, right?

 

As Obama intentionally planned to achieve his glorious Single Payer System.

 

He's a lying leftist, just like you.

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LOL It isn't one guy. It is another in a massive list that has been saying they are in there. This time it happens to be a big liberal.

 

Why do you wish to remain so blind to this issue. Everyone who is rational can see the system has to have rationing of care to save on the cost of the system. This is why the system is built around young 20-30 adults getting into the system, paying all that money but not using the system because they have very few health issues at those ages. Come one Lisa, I know you are a smart person.

 

No, it's people like LIsaB why we can't have nice things. :(

 

Are you saying it's okay to have nice things even if it means others have to go without?

 

Sarah Palin spoke the truth.

When?

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Are you saying it's okay to have nice things even if it means others have to go without?

Of course. Do you think that everyone should have only what the least among us has?

I assume you live in a nice home with heat, water and indoor plumbing and food in the fridge...

I'll bet there is a homeless guy that has nothing not far from you.

Is is okay that you have these things and he doesn't?

When?

When she said that Obamacare had a "death panel".

She was right.

You were not.

 

 

 

Yes he did:

MALZBERG: So, you believe there will be rationing, a.k.a. death panels?

 

HALPERIN: It's built into the plan. It's not like a guess or like a judgment. That's going to be part of how costs are controlled.

Now he's having his ass kicked by idiots like you, and he's trying to backpedal.

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11/13/13

A Democratic senator in an interview today said the Independent Payment Advisory Board — which has come under criticism from pro-life groups and conservatives for its potential to ration health care via “death panels” — should be revisited. Even Democrats like Howard Dean have admitted death panels, or rationing, are included.

The Independent Payment Advisory Board is set to go into action later this year. The IPAB is a Medicare cost-cutting board of “experts” legally possessing the power to impose its advise, even over the desires of Congress or the president. It has been derisively referred to as a death panel because so many have called for it to have health care rationing powers and because its decisions could result in cost-cutting measures that deny lifesaving medical treatment. The Independent Payment Advisory Board was one of the most controversial parts of the Obamacare legislation — mainly because it puts 15 unelected strangers in charge of health decisions for most Americans. In the name of “cost-certainty,” IPAB would have the authority to limit which specialists you see, what treatments are available, and in some cases, whether you’re eligible for care at all.

Now, Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD), is expressing concerns over them and said as much during a call-in session on C-SPAN Wednesday morning, according to the Washington Free Beacon newspaper. Here’s what it reported him saying:

CALLER: I want to know if Cardin read the bill, and if he could explain about the advisory board which is going to be established in 2014. The board can effectively edict certain mandates to the law and changes to the law without congressional action or approval and they cannot be challenged judicially by the constituents or the citizens of this country. In other words, they are going to be able to pass a law without authority, making congress irrelevant, which seems to be a blatant violation of our constitution. How could anybody with a clear conscience vote for that?

BEN CARDIN: I did read the bill and I share some of your concerns about that provision in the bill. The Affordable Care Act contains many provisions. I strongly supported the bill itself. But in terms of that particular provision, I agree, there are certain concerns that I have. The purpose of the board is to make sure that health care costs are maintained at a reasonable level and that there is an objective review of the payments made under the healthcare system. That was the main purpose of this board in its report. It comes into effect under certain circumstances. It has not been implemented yet, but it is a provision in the law that needs to be revisited to make sure the concerns you expressed do not occur. ntegral to the Obama Administration’s stated mission to drive down what Americans choose to spend for life-saving and health-preserving health care, the IPAB is charged with a key role in suppressing health care spending by limiting what treatment doctors are allowed to give their patients.

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Sorry, but no one in this country is denied care because they can't pay.

 

 

So which is it, are you stupid beyond belief or do you enjoy lying?

 

Go to the ER and tell them you have cancer and need a $40,000 a month drug, like a friend of mine has to have (pancreatic c), and see what they say. Tell them you need a brain tumor surgery. Three times a week dialysis. Rehab from an accident. Treatment for 1500 other conditions. The ER is for emergencies, not chronic illness. If you have a chronic illness and no money / insurance, you're dead, unless you're one of a relative few who can get into a study or a limited number of programs who specialize in what you have. But reg'lar ol' heart disease, cancer, cystic fibrosis, any of the autoimmune diseases -- no money, no meds, no hospital, no doctor.

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