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"The red line is the poverty level real annual income for a family of four."

(note the yrs when reagan was trying to remember that he was president and named Ron)

 

http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth484/minwage.html

 

Pls note from the same link, the value of the minimum wage during reagan's terms..steady downward decline..

 

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(the so-called Reagan recovery was powered by a large increase in government spending and the Federal Reserve lowering interest rates; the latter solution is not currently available to president Obama, with rates already at zero. During Reagan's first full month in office, February 1981, the unemployment rate stood at 7.4 percent. It then rose steadily and peaked at 10.8 percent in November 1982 *US dept. labor*)

 

The Reagan legend has left reality behind, like a rebelious, diseased orphan. The myths just keep getting goofier and goofier. The myth the right has built up about Saint Ron as the cold warrior, tax cutter, budget balancer, terrorist fighter, government shrinker, and job creator has no basis in reality. In about another 30 or 40 years, we'll probably have people telling how he single handedly walked into the Soviet Union and brought it down... Oh wait, we've already got people saying that today! :-)

 

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Carter? A great president. Hardest working executive we ever had.

 

"During 1979, Carter deregulated the American beer industry by opening access of the home-brew market to the craft brewers, making it legal to sell malt, hops, and yeast to American home brewers for the first time since the effective 1920 beginning of Prohibition in the United States." Wiki This alone should earn him a spot on Mt. Rushmore.

 

"Carter advanced a long-term program designed to solve the energy problem. He proposed a limit on imported oil, gradual price decontrol on domestically produced oil, a stringent program of conservation, and development of alternative sources of energy such as solar, nuclear, and geothermal power, oil and gas from shale and coal, and synthetic fuels. In what was probably his most significant domestic legislative accomplishment, he was able to get a significant portion of his energy program through Congress." (ontheissues.org) Wow. Looks like he was about 35 yrs ahead of his time.

 

"In April 1976, Carter proposed health care reform that included key features of the bipartisan bill for universal national health insurance[a] sponsored by Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA)." ...wiki.. (even tho' Ted had worked tirelessly to undermine and weaken Carter, intending to replace him) wow, looks like Jimmy was 35 yrs ahead of his time. And more interested in what was good for America than his personal politics.

 

"President Carter reduced the top tax rate on capital gains to 28% from as high as 98%"...conservatives yell that the capitol gains tax rate is too high and damages America, since they also say that Carters eco-policies damaged America, here lies a contradiction. Hmmmm?

 

Carter gets blamed for inflation and the oil crisis, but we can thank Tricky Dick Nixon for that (and the recession Carter inherited from Ford) .. "In 1973, during the Nixon Administration, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) reduced supplies of oil available to the world market, in part because of deflation of the dollars they were receiving as a result of Nixon leaving the gold standard and in part as a reaction to America's sending of arms to Israel during the Yom Kippur War. This sparked the 1973 Oil Crisis and forced oil prices to rise sharply, spurring price inflation throughout the economy and slowing growth. The U.S government imposed price controls on gasoline and oil following the announcement, which had the effect of causing shortages and long lines at filling stations for gasoline. (later, during the carter admin)... The sudden doubling of crude oil prices by OPEC, the world's leading oil exporting cartel, forced inflation to double-digit levels, averaging 11.3% in 1979"...wiki

 

"The nation's economy grew by an average of 3.4% during the Carter Administration.

 

The U.S. economy, which had grown by 5% in 1976, continued to grow at a similar pace during 1977 and 1978. Unemployment declined from 7.5% in January 1977 to 5.6% by May 1979, with over 9 million net new jobs created during that interim, and real median household income grew by 5% from 1976 to 1978. The recovery in business investment in evidence during 1976 strengthened as well. Fixed private investment (machinery and construction) grew by 30% from 1976 to 1979, home sales and construction grew another one third by 1978, and industrial production, motor vehicle output and sales did so by nearly 15%; with the exception of new housing starts, which remained slightly below their 1972 peak, each of these benchmarks reached record levels in 1978 or 1979." ...wiki

 

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Reagan VS Carter

 

What kind of utter imbecile would claim Carter was better on the economy than Reagan?

 

Only a leftist Academic wackjob. :D

 

Carter left an economy on the verge of collapsing into a depression.

 

Reagan took that disaster and turned it into a huge historic economic boom.

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I post dozens of graphs, sources, links and facts, and rich comes back with "You're a whackjob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

That's the way to debate kid. Keep up the good work.

 

"Another myth is that Carter could not work with Congress. In actuality, his legislative batting average was 79%, much better than Reagan's and on a par with some of the Kennedy-Johnson's years, when Congress was more pliable. Carter actually fulfilled two-thirds of his 600 campaign promises in one term--hardly a failure, but no one seems to want to report what actually happened, our consciousness still shaped by the Reagan-Bush campaign of 1980."

 

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-03-07/books/bk-7947_1_jimmy-carter-s-turning-point-real-jimmy-carter-reagan-presidency

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dano once again you prove how ignorant you are. the main force behind the great Reagan recovery was the 1981 tax reform act. this act so stimulated the economy more millionaires were created during Reagan's tenure then any other president. furthermore, Reaganomics lasted well into clintons second term. the tax policy brought our economy back after peanut jimmy nearly killed it.

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dano once again you prove how ignorant you are. the main force behind the great Reagan recovery was the 1981 tax reform act. this act so stimulated the economy more millionaires were created during Reagan's tenure then any other president. furthermore, Reaganomics lasted well into clintons second term. the tax policy brought our economy back after peanut jimmy nearly killed it.

I remember learning about the "peace dividend" during Carter's Malaise.

I hope the OregonFuckheads do a chart on that some day.

 

That little-acknowledged cycle was fucked up by the terrorists not playing fair.

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What kind of utter imbecile would claim Carter was better on the economy than Reagan?

 

Only a leftist Academic wackjob. :D

 

Carter left an economy on the verge of collapsing into a depression.

 

Reagan took that disaster and turned it into a huge historic economic boom.

Reagan spent us in to a deficit that we will never get rid of.

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Facts: Reagan greatly increased federal spending and the debt. Conservatives cheered. I'm not claiming that was right or wrong but simply the cold hard truth that the nutjobs here pretend didnt happen. It's too factual for them to research or consider.

 

What was Reagan's record protecting embassies and foreign posts? Any nutjobs wanna take a guess? Hint: it's exponentially worse than president Obama's.

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Facts: Reagan greatly increased federal spending and the debt. Conservatives cheered. I'm not claiming that was right or wrong but simply the cold hard truth that the nutjobs here pretend didnt happen. It's too factual for them to research or consider.

 

I love it when liars tell blatant lies, then claim they're, snicker, "facts." :D

 

All domestic spending was driven by liberal Dems led by pork barrel and pork belly Tip O'Neil and a few Beltway Repubs who liberal dishonestly applauded as "anti deficit."

 

What was Reagan's record protecting embassies and foreign posts? Any nutjobs wanna take a guess? Hint: it's exponentially worse than president Obama's.

 

Great job at ignoring the accepted fact that more than any individual Reagan won the Cold War.

 

You know, that historic struggle that liberals slept through or sided with the wrong side? :glare:

 

Like John Kerry, David Bonier and Tom Harkin who flew to Nicaragua to help save the Communist Sandinistas from Reagan's attempts to topple them? To cite just one example of countless?

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Facts: Reagan greatly increased federal spending and the debt. Conservatives cheered. I'm not claiming that was right or wrong but simply the cold hard truth that the nutjobs here pretend didnt happen. It's too factual for them to research or consider.

 

What was Reagan's record protecting embassies and foreign posts? Any nutjobs wanna take a guess? Hint: it's exponentially worse than president Obama's.

 

Facts matter only to the people who like them. It applies to everyone.

 

You know what's really funny? Cons refer constantly to Obama being the libs' "Messiah," but no lib has ever referred to him as that. It's a right-wing invention.

But cons refer to Reagan as "Ronaldus Magnus."

 

The RNC even has a website dedicated to "Ronaldus Magnus."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/rnc-web-site-pays-tribute-to-i-ronaldus-magnus-i

 

Funny thing is, the Tea Party, if given the accomplishments and ideology of Reagan anonymously, would say he's no conservative. Do the same with Nixon's accomplishments and policies and the TP would say he's a communist, but that's for another thread, haha

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Great job at ignoring the accepted fact that more than any individual Reagan won the Cold War.

 

That's a slap in the face to every president since Truman. All of them walked the floors at night over what to do about communism. Reagan did his part, to be sure, but I think it's quite more likely that he was president when the Soviet Union, after decades of wrecking their own economy by spending too much on their military to keep up with us -- and you can thank all those presidents from Truman on for that -- fell, meaning that it wouldn't have mattered much who was president at that time.

 

I think Reagan's looks and his actor's knowledge of how to play to an audience, did more than anything else to turn him into being worshiped by the right.

He had perhaps the most winning, confident smile of any other president, a great sense of humor, and as a person, I liked him very much. But unlike Obama, whom libs have never come close to worshiping, Reagan-lovers come as close to true worship of the man as you can get without committing idolatry.

 

 

 

 

You know, that historic struggle that liberals slept through or sided with the wrong side? :glare:

 

Like John Kerry, David Bonier and Tom Harkin who flew to Nicaragua to help save the Communist Sandinistas from Reagan's attempts to topple them? To cite just one example of countless?

 

Guess how many members of his administration were jailed, indicted, and / or quit for malfeasance? Wanna compare that number to any other president's record?

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Great job at ignoring the accepted fact that more than any individual Reagan won the Cold War.

 

That's a slap in the face to every president since Truman. All of them walked the floors at night over what to do about communism.

 

You don't win a war by "walking the floors," troll, and certainly Carter's incompetence and Dems' tolerance of Communism led the West to the edge of losing the Cold War.

 

Truman refused to investigate and fire Communist and Communist spies in his own administration.

 

Let's recall that liberal Dems opposed almost every single foreign policy initiative and weapons system that Reagan proposed. Some like the three I named sided with the Communists. Don't you remember all the fawning and gushing over Gorbachev by the same liberals who despised and opposed Reagan?

 

So much for "walking the floor" worrying about the threat. You moonbats didn't even see a threat.

 

Reagan did his part, to be sure, but I think it's quite more likely that he was president when the Soviet Union, after decades of wrecking their own economy by spending too much on their military to keep up with us -- and you can thank all those presidents from Truman on for that -- fell, meaning that it wouldn't have mattered much who was president at that time.

 

Yes, honey, that's the standard Democrat Talking Point Lie, and you tell them so well!

 

Except you liberals were claiming then how strong the Soviet economy was. Obviously you want everyone to forget how freaking stupid liberals were back then.

 

And that Reagan's actual policies brought down the Soviet Union years if not decades before it would have otherwise, as Soviets themselves have admitted.

 

Not that you have much of any idea what those policies were. Few liberals do, despite all your stupid bleating.

 

I think Reagan's looks and his actor's knowledge of how to play to an audience, did more than anything else to turn him into being worshiped by the right.

 

You're a lying troll. Who cares what silly nonsense you bleat?

 

unlike Obama, whom libs have never come close to worshiping, Reagan-lovers come as close to true worship of the man as you can get without committing idolatry.

 

It isn't "worship" to admire someone for their actual achievements, troll.

 

You moonbats were fawning and fainting over Obama even though he's never done anything in his entire life other than put out a ghost-written book and run for office.

 

You people are freaking psychotic. :blink:

 

You know, that historic struggle that liberals slept through or sided with the wrong side? :glare:

 

Like John Kerry, David Bonier and Tom Harkin who flew to Nicaragua to help save the Communist Sandinistas from Reagan's attempts to topple them? To cite just one example of countless?

 

 

Guess......

 

Guess you're going to try to change the subject rather than admit how many liberal-leftists allied themselves with genocidal Communism and/or fought the president who more than anyone won it.

 

Typical dishonest troll behavior.

 

But yes, Democrats were so vindictive that they even indicted and pursued innocent people and others on hugely trumped charges so as to get revenge on Reagan and his officials.

 

While overlooking many felonies and endless corruption in their own party.

 

As they later did for serial felon Bill Clinton, and you're one of his dishonest defenders.

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Facts matter only to the people who like them. It applies to everyone.

 

You know what's really funny? Cons refer constantly to Obama being the libs' "Messiah," but no lib has ever referred to him as that. It's a right-wing invention.

 

I know right?

 

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minwage.jpg

 

"The red line is the poverty level real annual income for a family of four."

(note the yrs when reagan was trying to remember that he was president and named Ron)

 

http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth484/minwage.html

 

Pls note from the same link, the value of the minimum wage during reagan's terms..steady downward decline..

 

minperpov.jpg

 

__________________________________________

 

(the so-called Reagan recovery was powered by a large increase in government spending and the Federal Reserve lowering interest rates; the latter solution is not currently available to president Obama, with rates already at zero. During Reagan's first full month in office, February 1981, the unemployment rate stood at 7.4 percent. It then rose steadily and peaked at 10.8 percent in November 1982 *US dept. labor*)

 

The Reagan legend has left reality behind, like a rebelious, diseased orphan. The myths just keep getting goofier and goofier. The myth the right has built up about Saint Ron as the cold warrior, tax cutter, budget balancer, terrorist fighter, government shrinker, and job creator has no basis in reality. In about another 30 or 40 years, we'll probably have people telling how he single handedly walked into the Soviet Union and brought it down... Oh wait, we've already got people saying that today! :-)

 

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Carter? A great president. Hardest working executive we ever had.

 

"During 1979, Carter deregulated the American beer industry by opening access of the home-brew market to the craft brewers, making it legal to sell malt, hops, and yeast to American home brewers for the first time since the effective 1920 beginning of Prohibition in the United States." Wiki This alone should earn him a spot on Mt. Rushmore.

 

"Carter advanced a long-term program designed to solve the energy problem. He proposed a limit on imported oil, gradual price decontrol on domestically produced oil, a stringent program of conservation, and development of alternative sources of energy such as solar, nuclear, and geothermal power, oil and gas from shale and coal, and synthetic fuels. In what was probably his most significant domestic legislative accomplishment, he was able to get a significant portion of his energy program through Congress." (ontheissues.org) Wow. Looks like he was about 35 yrs ahead of his time.

 

"In April 1976, Carter proposed health care reform that included key features of the bipartisan bill for universal national health insurance[a] sponsored by Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA)." ...wiki.. (even tho' Ted had worked tirelessly to undermine and weaken Carter, intending to replace him) wow, looks like Jimmy was 35 yrs ahead of his time. And more interested in what was good for America than his personal politics.

 

"President Carter reduced the top tax rate on capital gains to 28% from as high as 98%"...conservatives yell that the capitol gains tax rate is too high and damages America, since they also say that Carters eco-policies damaged America, here lies a contradiction. Hmmmm?

 

Carter gets blamed for inflation and the oil crisis, but we can thank Tricky Dick Nixon for that (and the recession Carter inherited from Ford) .. "In 1973, during the Nixon Administration, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) reduced supplies of oil available to the world market, in part because of deflation of the dollars they were receiving as a result of Nixon leaving the gold standard and in part as a reaction to America's sending of arms to Israel during the Yom Kippur War. This sparked the 1973 Oil Crisis and forced oil prices to rise sharply, spurring price inflation throughout the economy and slowing growth. The U.S government imposed price controls on gasoline and oil following the announcement, which had the effect of causing shortages and long lines at filling stations for gasoline. (later, during the carter admin)... The sudden doubling of crude oil prices by OPEC, the world's leading oil exporting cartel, forced inflation to double-digit levels, averaging 11.3% in 1979"...wiki

 

"The nation's economy grew by an average of 3.4% during the Carter Administration.

 

The U.S. economy, which had grown by 5% in 1976, continued to grow at a similar pace during 1977 and 1978. Unemployment declined from 7.5% in January 1977 to 5.6% by May 1979, with over 9 million net new jobs created during that interim, and real median household income grew by 5% from 1976 to 1978. The recovery in business investment in evidence during 1976 strengthened as well. Fixed private investment (machinery and construction) grew by 30% from 1976 to 1979, home sales and construction grew another one third by 1978, and industrial production, motor vehicle output and sales did so by nearly 15%; with the exception of new housing starts, which remained slightly below their 1972 peak, each of these benchmarks reached record levels in 1978 or 1979." ...wiki

 

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Tax breaks for R&D in the tech sector was passed by Reagan.

 

This is what drove the economy of the 90s.

 

The current recession started near the end of Clinton's term.

 

 

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So Clem acknowledges big spending and debt during the Reagan terms but blames it on Tip?

 

Spending bills originate in the House, and domestic spending was driven by liberal Democrats, with Reagan trying to control spending.

 

How typically dishonest that moonbats always try to falsely re-write history to blame Reagan and absolve Democrats.

 

Oh, Reagan was before they had the veto. My bad.

 

If he'd vetoed domestic spending, Dems would have gutted his badly needed military buildup.

 

In the end, he and Repubs won Gramm-Rudman, which reduced spending as a % of GDP.

 

As a % of GDP, spending shrank by almost 3% points over his two terms, a huge achievement, despite Dems' vehement opposition.

 

What does the fall of communism have to do with Reagan's dismal record protecting our folks over seas? A record that makes president Obama look like a shining star.

 

You're like rats trying to bite a great man's pants legs. :glare:

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Any time a liberal tries to pretend Carter was a good President, I need only respond with two words: Misery index.

 

Carter loves Obama because no longer does anyone refer to Carter as the "worst President ever".



So Clem acknowledges big spending and debt during the Reagan terms but blames it on Tip? Oh, Reagan was before they had the veto. My bad.

Reagan's big mistake was trusting a liberal to keep his word.

O'Neal promised Reagan $3 in spending cuts for ever $1 in tax increases. Of course they demanded the tax increases first, and then stiffed Reagan on the cuts.

 

Reagan forgot Rule #1: Liberals lie.

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  1. Reagan - Carter, let's have a look. For almost half of Carter's term, Americans were held hostage in an Iranian shiit hole. I'm curious, when were our people released? Here it is, when Reagan was being sworn in. Tell you anything? Anyone know the Iranian term for, "don't fuk with this man; we are no longer dealing with an idiot".

 

Any time a liberal tries to pretend Carter was a good President, I need only respond with two words: Misery index.

 

Carter loves Obama because no longer does anyone refer to Carter as the "worst President ever".

 

Reagan's big mistake was trusting a liberal to keep his word.

O'Neal promised Reagan $3 in spending cuts for ever $1 in tax increases. Of course they demanded the tax increases first, and then stiffed Reagan on the cuts.

 

Reagan forgot Rule #1: Liberals lie.

Reagan also had many regrets for dealing with gin soaked Teddy.

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