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I have been walking around for MONTHS asking myself and others this same question. I have also been walking around for months asking myself why no one else is asking this question. It's just stupefying.

Recently, McDonald's sent a memo to all of it's employees. It was specifically aimed at those employees having a hard time making ends meet during this holiday season. Well, they suggested that one way to make ends meet would be to sell some of your things. Another suggestion, and here's where we get to it, was to cut whatever it is you're eating into smaller pieces, that way you'll feel fuller after you've eaten. Hunh? Are you f'ing kidding me?

I really thought this would be the breaking point, the straw that broke the camels back, and finally, finally, time to rise up en masse. But no, it wasn't enough, barely made the news at all, just one more humiliation on a heaping, steaming pile of humiliation that seems to grow bigger everyday. I am starting to lose respect. There should be boots all over the ground on this. My sense is that we are just so terribly divided (right where they want us) that it's looking like nothing but a pipe dream, this dream of mine, that someone will take charge and lead us marching, marching, to where 20 million people converge on the Capitol singing-- the marginalized, the forgotten, the disenfranchised, the disappeared, the overworked, the unemployed, the tired, the poor, the fed-up, the can't get fed, raising our voices, our beautiful angry voices, here to tell you that no, you cannot lie, no you cannot keep feeding our young men into the war machine, no you cannot keep lining each others pockets, no you cannot listen in on my liberties, take me for granted, data mine me in my sleep, keep stealing my future, tax me half to death, hold me hostage with your fear-mongering, take the words out of my mouth by controlling the narrative, or simply buy your way around, over, or through me on your way to the election. Because I am not one this time, I am many, a big tall wall of humanity converging, converging on the truth.

If not now, when?

If not us, then who?

 

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Very good post tophand8264.

 

So many people are confused and deluded by the corporate-funded Right Wing Noise Machine. Six major companies own most of the media. As you observed, too many people have become divided into opposing groups, diverting them from the real reasons their quality of lives are deteriorating; Why the income gap is growing further out of proportion than ever bfore in the US. Why the middle class is disappearing and joining the ranks of the poor.

 

The U.S. is, by far the richest country in the world but all the wealth is increasingly, being concentrated at the top.

 

There is a portion of the population that understands what is going on. The 99% movement held demonstrations for a short time before they were routed by the use of excessive police brutality. It was on display all over the media. No apologies. Since then, there has been little sign of protest.

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Indeed Tophand8264! I looked up Walter Lippmann the other day, here's the wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Lippmann

He was thinking about these sort of things long ago. He was somewhat off base in some of his thinking, privileged as he was back then in a different time.

I think what we want to know is this... If good people know more about the truth, why then is it not shared. One giant constraint to that happening is as Bludog suggests. Propaganda!

It seems to work, it keeps the moderates very apathetic.

Here's another very interesting link I accidently came across when I looked up constructionism http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

Check out some of the blogs. Sadly, the ones labeled as clogosphere seem to inundate the thinking of the most ignorant among us. It's led to this divisive political wedging, and to apathy for those who know better. The extremist few in many ways get the best of us --- but that's no excuse. Not if we know the truth.

BTW --- I think the pendulum may be swinging soon, you can tell by the crazy brazen racist remarks that seems to be acceptable more and more. Finally, when the crazies speak out brazenly more and more,

hopefully the silent majority will be pulled out of their shell... anyway, that's seems to be the case historically.

 

Peace!

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As to the title of this thread .... it's kind of hard for a working person to "fight back" when they are wrapped around the axle of a semi truck called Corporate Capitalism going 90 miles per hour down the freeway.

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to the original poster, right on!!

 

There are things anybody and everybody could do to fight back:

 

1) Transfer whatever money you have in Big Bank to Credit Unions (not a single negative, but plenty of positives)

2) Do not vote for 1%ers (1%ers never go against their self interest, learn from them)

3) Do not vote for lesser evil, vote true progressive (force the fakers to follow you to the progressive side, and not vice-versa)

4) Show up at street protest (the virtual world only goes so far)

5) Do not watch CorpoMedia (Ratings matter, stop validating them)

 

Stay strong, organize, and fight back!!

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You can get thousands of people to protest or mount ballot initiatives in favor of marriage equality while the shooting of Trayvon Martin and the acquittal of his killer George Zimmerman brought African Americans into the streets like nothing else in recent memory. However Occupy Wall street came and went quickly and no one is protesting or building an activist politics around unemployment, low wages, or wealth and income inequality. Where are the bodies ? Where is the determination to address economic issues ? There have been worker protests against Wal Mart and low wages in the fast food industry, but they are not enough.

 

Most people do not see a connection between politics and economics so they think their situation is natural. They think low wages and joblessness are an inevitable part of the process. However decisions by management, wealthy investors, and politicians lead to crisis and deprivation for workers and communities. In spite of this fact socialism never had a chance in

America because its class based appeals did not resonate with people who value individual initiative and private property. Working Americans do see wealthy business owners and large corporations as frequently exploitive instead we celebrate them as symbols of individualism and American greatness. Some of this makes sense and I am not arguing for socialism. At the same time capitalist injustices and excesses must be challenged and changed through mass struggle and reformist politics.

 

While issues like abortion rights, marriage equality, and civil liberties are crucial we avoid class at our own peril. Maybe

more people will rise up when they realize that individual liberty depends on good paying jobs and decent living conditions as well. Franklin Delano Roosevelt realized this almost seventy years ago when he called for an Economic Bill of Rights. We need that kind of sensibility today.

 

2014: VOTE FOR WE THE PEOPLE IN THE "PEOPLE'S HOUSE!" USA!

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I agree with some of what you say. This country is in dire need of jobs. Raising the minimum wage will just cost jobs. If I owned a business and forced to pay higher wages I would terminate a percentage of workers and force the rest to work harder. Time will prove my point. Our unemployment statistics no longer reflect those who have been without work for an extensive time. The actual unemployment is around 12 percent. Both parties agree much of the tax laws are extensive and poorly written, however, no one does anything. From my point of view the middle class no longer exists. The wealthiest five percent of Americans have grown their empires by ninety five percent compared to other administrations. Fact is the Trilateral Commission, European Union and Asian market are in complete control of what happens to the average Americans job. Those in the Democratic and Republican parties both march to the Internationalist. Their focus in not on We The People, rather World power and influence. Several U.S. Presidents, Secretary of State, Congress and the House are members of the Trilateral Commission. Our Military and CIA are appointed by the International Trilateralist. The Trilateral Commission has an exclusive pipe line into the U.S. through the FED and Treasury. The President through the Forein Trade Commission constructs his so called "Green" book" giving companies their marching order so far as taxation is concerned. Take a peek at the Green Book its extremely complicated. Fact of the matter is Blu, we are where we are jobs wise because our politicians are sending them elsewhere ordered by the Trilateral Commission.

 

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It boils down to what I call "Steinbeck Syndrome":

 

"The reason socialism never took root in America is that poor people see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." -- John Steinbeck

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It boils down to what I call "Steinbeck Syndrome":

 

"The reason socialism never took root in America is that poor people see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." -- John Steinbeck

That's a wonderful quote. Nothing has changed since then. It applies now every bit as much as four-score years ago.

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That's a wonderful quote. Nothing has changed since then. It applies now every bit as much as four-score years ago.

A lot of people actually believe that they can become rich someday, despite decades of evidence to the contrary.

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A lot of people actually believe that they can become rich someday, despite decades of evidence to the contrary.

That's because most people have been tricked into believing that accumulating material wealth is the only reason to live. We're told basically from birth that to be successful we have to go to school and get a job and make a lot of money, which is a lie. This lie that people have to believe to operate normally in our society has hollowed out all moral fortitude our nation once had.

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That's because most people have been tricked into believing that accumulating material wealth is the only reason to live. We're told basically from birth that to be successful we have to go to school and get a job and make a lot of money, which is a lie. This lie that people have to believe to operate normally in our society has hollowed out all moral fortitude our nation once had.

Like it or not, money equals power in our society. People who don't have enough of it are vulnerable to manipulation and abuse by those who do. Helplessness does not induce moral fortitude. The bereft must often endure by immoral means. Steinbeck's classic "Grapes of Wrath" portrays this at many levels.

 

The rationalization that people are somehow lifted morally by unmet need is promoted mainly by Conservatives who exempt themselves from it.

 

An all consuming focus on making a lot of money is corrosive. But having enough money to make one's way in the world and open doors is important for attaining broader horizons.

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We can't fight back too soon, or that'll give the criminal establishment carte blanche to usurp our remaining "rights". The working man will have to wait until the current political system collapses from corruption and infighting among the elite.

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You can get thousands of people to protest or mount ballot initiatives in favor of marriage equality while the shooting of Trayvon Martin and the acquittal of his killer George Zimmerman brought African Americans into the streets like nothing else in recent memory. However Occupy Wall street came and went quickly and no one is protesting or building an activist politics around unemployment, low wages, or wealth and income inequality. Where are the bodies ? Where is the determination to address economic issues ? There have been worker protests against Wal Mart and low wages in the fast food industry, but they are not enough.

 

Most people do not see a connection between politics and economics so they think their situation is natural. They think low wages and joblessness are an inevitable part of the process. However decisions by management, wealthy investors, and politicians lead to crisis and deprivation for workers and communities. In spite of this fact socialism never had a chance in

America because its class based appeals did not resonate with people who value individual initiative and private property. Working Americans do see wealthy business owners and large corporations as frequently exploitive instead we celebrate them as symbols of individualism and American greatness. Some of this makes sense and I am not arguing for socialism. At the same time capitalist injustices and excesses must be challenged and changed through mass struggle and reformist politics.

 

While issues like abortion rights, marriage equality, and civil liberties are crucial we avoid class at our own peril. Maybe

more people will rise up when they realize that individual liberty depends on good paying jobs and decent living conditions as well. Franklin Delano Roosevelt realized this almost seventy years ago when he called for an Economic Bill of Rights. We need that kind of sensibility today.

 

The radical extremist elements can always find disgruntled masses to join to attack a group perceived as the source of all their problems. How do you recruit for supporting the common good....just too boring for many.

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People have an enormous capacity for taking a beating. I think I read that it takes mass hunger before people will react. Unfortunatley there is so much brainwashing going on that the right wing talkers have the average American believing that right wing policies favor the working class individual. You can walk into any convenient store and safely say we have to cut spending and everybody there will agree. Everyone would be negatively effected by spending cuts but they will support spending cuts. Another thing lost on the avarage person is that if we take back jobs that went overseas we will be putting those people out of work. The average person does not understand that other avaerage people are not responsible for their hardships. Not only should we put our people to work but we should guarantee nobody suffers from our good fortune. The right wing talkers have recruited a mercenary army that actually pays back instead of getting paid. There are enough resources and money so that everybody could have a life sustaining job. The goal of business has to be shifted to full employment and the senseless profit driven business model has to have another step added to it. Profit should be the tool for developing living growing economies. The path now leads to the next to the last step. Profit should aid economies, not strangle them.

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People have an enormous capacity for taking a beating. I think I read that it takes mass hunger before people will react. Unfortunatley there is so much brainwashing going on that the right wing talkers have the average American believing that right wing policies favor the working class individual. You can walk into any convenient store and safely say we have to cut spending and everybody there will agree. Everyone would be negatively effected by spending cuts but they will support spending cuts. Another thing lost on the avarage person is that if we take back jobs that went overseas we will be putting those people out of work. The average person does not understand that other avaerage people are not responsible for their hardships. Not only should we put our people to work but we should guarantee nobody suffers from our good fortune. The right wing talkers have recruited a mercenary army that actually pays back instead of getting paid. There are enough resources and money so that everybody could have a life sustaining job. The goal of business has to be shifted to full employment and the senseless profit driven business model has to have another step added to it. Profit should be the tool for developing living growing economies. The path now leads to the next to the last step. Profit should aid economies, not strangle them.

Well said Really. The Oligarch-funded Right Wing Noise Machine has been generating disinformation for so long that many ordinary people believe some or all of it. The main thrust of this propaganda has been to channel people's anger at their plight away from the ultra-rich and corporations and toward each other.... Anger against other races, ethnicities, religions and the most economically disadvantaged.

 

And these ordinary, brainwashed people have become spokespersons for policies which funnel wealth upward, adding to the vast treasures of the ultra-rich. These otherwise ordinary, right wing zealots unknowingly support policies which deprive themselves and those they love.

 

In regard to outsourcing and slave labor south of the border and overseas:--- To a certain extent the genie is out of the bottle. We can't simply recall these industries back inside our borders. But we can stop providing tax incentives and start imposing tax penalties for shipping jobs out of the US. But it will take a more Liberal president and congress than we have now.

 

High unemployment in the US is seen by many of the ultra-rich to be advantageous. It puts employed workers in a compromised position by devaluing their labor..... Worker can more easily be replaced. It weakens the bargaining position of new hires. It discourages labor unions. And, combined with a low minimum wage, high unemployment forces the US worker to increasingly, compete with slave wages abroad.

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Reality is hard to face, hard to promulgate and hard to defend. Telling every student in a classroom that they can be president of the USA is disingenuous . The reality is odds of becoming President are 1 in 10,000,000. But telling students they most likely can't become president would be criticized as counter productive. The philosophy of the right is to recruit the successful regardless of how many people fall by the wayside. Our school and education system support that philosophy by the rewarding of the few at the expense of the majority. Scholarships are based on excellence. Scholarships should be abolished in favor of expending the money to improve the entire education system. Everybody deserves to make a living.

 

Telling people they can become anything they want if they work hard enough is simply a way of diverting attention from our education system. Our education system needs to be comprehensive and responsible. Promises of achievable success should be replaced with sound preparation for earning a living. Could the valedictorian be an average student that displays consistency ?

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"High unemployment in the US is seen by many of the ultra-rich to be advantageous. It puts employed workers in a compromised position by devaluing their labor..... Worker can more easily be replaced. It weakens the bargaining position of new hires. It discourages labor unions. And, combined with a low minimum wage, high unemployment forces the US worker to increasingly, compete with slave wages abroad."

 

This is the reality .

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Here's a round table that's overdue, people like us getting together to make some change. I sat with a group of work friends the other day, you know the old corporate sign-post strategy of employing engineering tools like statistics to target a problem and then find resolve... Well, we talked about energy consumption earnestly and about how each of us could reduce our individual energy foot prints. I bike to work, some of my friends take the bus, we talked about energy saving at home as well and categorized home improvements like windows, better insulation, short showers, the washer, the dryer, the refrigerator, and being aware of those big television sets glaring, and little boxes that are constantly on.

 

What do we need, what we need are the basics: food, shelter, freedom from crime. We need a political system that is focused on supporting a growing middle class instead of shrinking it to shreds. And that goes for the rest of the world too.

 

We're the same people we always were most people think in the end. But we're not. We're starting to look around. The real things we all need will never be sustainable unless we work together and the truth is we could do this and if we did we'd all be better for it.

 

Just last week was the April 15 tax deadline. Ever hear of the "Round Tripper's"? These are the people who have large capital assets who funnel these assets into foreign banks and use these assets to invest where ever they like, yet pay zero tax on any gains. Obvious the average taxpayer is getting railroaded. It's rather obvious that the folks in congress talk about not much more than entitlements destroying the American Dream, and it seems the loudest voice is that of the Tea Party who says it's time to take our country back. And it is ironic, but the poor Tea Party folk just don't understand what irony means.

 

Peace!

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Start with a thousand mice in a square mile field. Then slowly day by day decrease the size of the field. For a while everything will be peaches and cream. But at some point the mice will turn on each other. That is the point the mega-wealthy have us at right now. Every day they take a larger and larger piece of the field(economic pie) and then sit back and watch the fun as the mice(middle class) rip each other up.

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Working Americans are fighting back at the current time in the only way they know how; to vote and ask the government for relief.

 

This is how we have been conditioned to deal with this issue. It will change when enough people start missing meals.

 

The Democrats are told that this is all the Republicans fault and vice versa. Meanwhile, the vast majority of Washington politicians are multi-millionaires that somehow have convinced the working population that they are representing their best interest while really supporting big corporations who make them rich. As an example, corporations can make both parties jump on the immigration issue just to get cheap labor and no matter what the repubs say publicly, they will do what their masters tell them to do so look for that to get done this year.

 

The Occupy movement was a disjointed attempt to bring many different issues to the forefront at the same time; its failure is the squarely on the shoulders of the movement founders and organizers. The MSM was complicit in exacerbating the confusion with the public.

 

I think that one of the reasons that there is not more outrage from the public is because we (collectively) don't know what it is we really want. Sure we have these canned issues like the 1 percent vs. the 99 percent but that doesn't explain anything especially when the people we all elect are in the top 1 to 3 percent and have split loyalties. The corps and the 1 percent are more organized and very clear on what it is that they want while the rest of us are fighting over a mish mash of stuff.

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I think that one of the reasons that there is not more outrage from the public is because we (collectively) don't know what it is we really want.

 

People don't care about things they can't do anything about. Their reality is cognizant of a consuming daily routine. Getting through the day and making it back to the couch is success. They are so absorbed with daily life that there is no energy to expend trying to understand unrecognizable influences that determine their life. I experiment on Facebook with different subjects. Food, pets, sports, pictures, humor and subjects along the lines of immediate gratification are well received. A remedial reference to futures being expanded will not and has never received a "Like" let alone a "Comment". They are made to feel guilty about an income over which they have no hope or influence. They don't want to be upset by undestanding that inflation on a fixed insufficient income that takes food out of the mouthes of their children is contrived. They believe that everybody suffers in a bad economy. They can't conceive of the idea that the lives of their children are knowingly relegated to poverty and worse. Whether it is fact or ficition I find a description of Poncho Villa letting villagers being killed by Federal Troops before interceding to be relevant. We sustain the EPA and National Marine Fisheries and other regulators and protectors of our resources while at the same time assuming utter despair for human life. What is it that places human life subordinate to the environment and plants and animals? What about Human Rights? When Human Rights are recognized as Rights then there might be movement. If possible to survive it would take another FDR to instill and inspire. People have been taught for so long to apologize for living that it is hard for them to ask for let alone demand a life.

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Excellent points kfbvoice. Economic disparity has been accelerating since the 1990s. (It started with Reagan in the 80s). The descent into poverty of a large portion of the middle class has come so suddenly historically speaking, that most people are still in shock. They can't reconcile their traditional expectations with the new reality. Young people are most likely to feel the effects the most as seen in the recent Occupy Wall Street demonstrations. They were put down with often unecessary force by police in major cities and so far, have not re-occured.

 

The US desperately needs a high profile examination of why pay and living standards are declining for the majority of Americans; Why the wealth of the Nation is being sucked to top and away from ordinary citizens. Why outsourcing, insourcing, tax inequity and corporate subsidies are all balooning while ordinary job pay undergoing a blowout. Why unions are disappearing in America.

 

When MSNBC began airing Liberal points of view, I for one was thankful. But it soon became apparent that social issues would be emphasized and economic ones mentioned only on the periphery. Ed Schultz, MSNBC's best spokesman for the working people was recently relegated to weekend afternoon obscurity but brought back to weekdays by popular demand.... At least one good sign. Beyond MSNBC there is no paucity of Liberal media talkers but they are still eclipsed by the might of the Right Wing Noise Machine.

 

In the conservative area where I live, there was no sign of unrest either at McDonald's or Walmart when demonstrations elsewhere occurred.

 

Pushing for better pay and working conditions simply is not effective without unions. Collective bargaining is necessary to push back against the power companies can exercise over the individual. FDR recognized that unions are vital for higher pay, better working conditions and a enhanced standard of living. The Country unionized under FDR more than any other president. But since then, unions have been demonized in the media and entertainment industry to the point that they have aquired a bad public reputation. And Taft-Hartley and other "Right to Work" laws are rapidly dismantling the union movement. To attain a level playing field, we need a resurgence of unions.

 

 

Chris Hays is sinking the ratings at 8PM. Ed should be put back at his regular time. MSNBC was inundated with protests over Ed being relegated to weekends.

 

The PTB have not yet figured out what their viewers want. russet had become more Conservative as the years went by. Gregory tipped the scales to ,"Right Wing pundit." That is why MTP is sinking. No amount of fiddling with content will restore it. having George Will, Mrs. Greenspan and all the righties will not improve the Right Wing content.

 

Joe is a ranting joke with his regulars. Barnicle is the only one who will speak up at times refuting Joe and his," WhenI was in Congress,"bit. Joe forgets he was in the front line trying to impeach Clinton. In the front of the Congressmen walking across the street to interview Monica, giggling like 7 year olds finding a book full of dirty pictures.

 

Until management comes up with big changes they will be mired in the mud. Farrow? Come on,give me a break. Mia's Son.

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