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National Review Sept 24, 2013

Obamacare Bends the Cost Curve—Upward

Back in 2008, three eminent Harvard economists who were advising the Obama campaign—David Cutler, David Blumenthal, and Jeffrey Liebman—wrote a memo claiming that Senator Obama’s health-care plan could reduce national health spending by $200 billion a year. As Kevin Sack recounted in the New York Times, the authors of that memo then took that figure, “divided [it] by the country’s population, multiplied for a family of four, and rounded down slightly to a number that was easy to grasp: $2,500.”

Mr. Obama then took that number on the campaign trail, insisting that his health plan would “lower your premiums by up to $2,500 per family per year.”

Last week, the Obama administration’s Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services issued a rather different prediction: that “the [Affordable Care Act] is projected to . . . increase cumulative spending by roughly $621 billion” from 2014 to 2022. To be clear, that’s spending on top of the normal health-care inflation that would have happened if Obamacare had not been passed. So much for “bending down the cost curve,” as the president often liked to say his law would do.

Yesterday, over at my Forbes blog, my colleague Chris Conover paid tribute to those three Harvard economists and their favored president, by employing the same arithmetic they did to calculate how much more Americans would spend on health care due to Obamacare. He took the $621 billion, divided by the U.S. population, and multiplied by four.

“Simplistic?” Chris asked. “Maybe, but so too was the President’s campaign promise. And this approach allows us to see just how badly that promise fell short of the mark. Between 2014 and 2022, the increase in national health spending (which the Medicare actuaries specifically attribute to the law) amounts to $7,450 per family of 4.” Chris put together a chart that compared Obama’s 2008 promise to the Obama administration’s 2013 projection:

 

As you might expect, certain corners of the Left were not happy. Igor Volsky of ThinkProgress put up a blog post claiming that Conover’s math was “totally wrong,” because a couple of pro-Obamacare economists told him so. Paul Van de Water, a progressive budget wonk, “described this calculation as one of the stupidest things he’s read in a long time.”

(Van de Water, for reasons unclear, did not offer his assessment of the intelligence of the president or his three Harvard advisers. I asked Judd Legum, the editor of ThinkProgress, if his site had ever run a comparable critique of Obama’s 2008 promise; he declined to answer.)

Van de Water told Igor that the cost of college education doesn’t increase if the federal government subsidizes college education; therefore, the cost of health care doesn’t increase if the federal government subsidizes health care.

These assertions defy logic and experience. In general, subsidizing a service increases demand for that service, which in turn increases its price. In addition, those subsidies don’t magically fall from the sky, but are paid by taxpayers.

Van de Water had a few more whoppers on his menu, though. He declared that, under Obamacare, “employer-sponsored insurance . . . is not being affected to any significant extent.” I guess he hasn’t spoken to the AFL-CIO, which passed a resolution at its quadrennial convention, held this month, declaring that the law will “drive the costs of collectively bargained, union administered plans, and other plans that cover unionized workers to unsupportable levels.”

Van de Water continues that “an average . . . doesn’t mean anything for anyone,” because the poor will benefit from subsidies. Well, yes, the poor will benefit from subsidies, which means that the average taxpaying family will face even higher cost increases due to Obamacare. Igor’s article makes no mention of the fact that subsidies aren’t free, but are in fact funded by taxpayers.

If ThinkProgress wants to try to mislead the public into thinking that subsidies have no costs, that’s their choice. It’s a pretty common sentiment on the left, where Other People’s Money is an unlimited resource. But taxpayers have every right to be concerned that the so-called Affordable Care Act will cost them a great deal.

 

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Gallows you don't have to buy insurance under this program so what are you worried about?

you need a time out

 

time to sit in the corner and no playing with your toys

 

get a clue

 

http://liberalforum.org/liberalforum/index.php?/topic/155427-if-aca-is-such-a-bad-law-why-not-just-let-it-fail/page-9&do=findComment&comment=3326880

 

 

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Typical republican tactic. Screw shit up and then blame everyone else.

 

Just like Obama tanked the economy. - GEORGE W. BUSH

Just like Obama started the war in Iraq. - GEORGE W. BUSH

Just like Obama let Wall Street run wild and almost ruin the country. - GEORGE W. BUSH

Just like Obama ignored Katrina victims for days. - GEORGE W. BUSH

Just like Obama apologized to B.P. for "persecuting" them over the gulf spill. - JOE BARTON

Just like Obama come up with the closest thing we have to a KGB, the Office Of Homeland Security. - GEORGE W. BUSH

Just like Obama quit as Governor of Alaska to avoid an ethics investigation. - SARAH PALIN

Just like Obama outed a CIA agent because her husband didn't "play ball" - DICK CHENEY

Just like Obama refused to share his tax returns with the American people. - MITT ROMNEY

 

Had enough yet?

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Uhm, the to big to fail banks do run the economy, and the country.

When does Obama take responsibility?

Libturds have been hoodwinked, a term Barry stole from Malcomb X.

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is oblamer going to shut down gov ? or force unaffordablecareTAX

It's like this, you fucking ignorant dickweed - it isn't the president who's threatening to shut down the government. It's the whiny-ass crybaby rethuglicans who want to prevent Americans from having access to health care during the administration of a black democrat POTUS.

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It's like this, you ficking ignorant dickweed - it isn't the president who's threatening to shut down the government. It's the whiny-ass crybaby rethuglicans who want to prevent Americans from having access to health care during the administration of a black democrat POTUS.

 

I've asked you 3 times now (including this one) to provide a quote from another Republican who is threatening to shut down the government.

Your inability to produce a single quote means that you're lying.

Obama WANTS a shutdown because he is a lame duck and blaming Republicans is the ONLY chance he has to hold power in 2014.

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I've asked you 3 times now (including this one) to provide a quote from another Republican who is threatening to shut down the government.

Your inability to produce a single quote means that you're lying.

Obama WANTS a shutdown because he is a lame duck and blaming Republicans is the ONLY chance he has to hold power in 2014.

I'm not gonna do your homework for you, putz. You cannot prove otherwise, so it seems you're the liar. But that's your SOP.

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I'm not gonna do your homework for you, putz. You cannot prove otherwise, so it seems you're the liar. But that's your SOP.

You made the claim. You can't support it because you're a liar.

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I've asked you 3 times now (including this one) to provide a quote from another Republican who is threatening to shut down the government.

Your inability to produce a single quote means that you're lying.

Obama WANTS a shutdown because he is a lame duck and blaming Republicans is the ONLY chance he has to hold power in 2014.

 

You are dreaming. Every rational minded person in this country knows who will be held accountable for a government shutdown, and it won't be the democrats. You see, the problem is that the name republican has become synonymous with the phrase government shutdown. You went to the shutdown well once to often. Trying to color it up with some lame, half hearted effort to avoid a shutdown on your own terms isn't going to help you. You are like the pissy little kid on the playground who won't play unless they can make up the rules. Childish crap.

 

Republicans own the term "government shutdown" now. Enjoy!

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You are dreaming. Every rational minded person in this country knows who will be held accountable for a government shutdown, and it won't be the democrats.

 

"Every rational person." :D

 

Translated into honest English; low-information voters.

 

The party that should be blamed is the one keeping spending so high, the country will go bankrupt in the medium term.

 

The party that's defending a catastrophe of a health care bill most Americans oppose.

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You are dreaming. Every rational minded person in this country knows who will be held accountable for a government shutdown, and it won't be the democrats. You see, the problem is that the name republican has become synonymous with the phrase government shutdown. You went to the shutdown well once to often. Trying to color it up with some lame, half hearted effort to avoid a shutdown on your own terms isn't going to help you. You are like the pissy little kid on the playground who won't play unless they can make up the rules. Childish crap.

 

Republicans own the term "government shutdown" now. Enjoy!

Republicans pass a bill the fund government.

Democrats refuse to pass the bill.

It's Republicans fault!

 

All liberals care about is who will be blamed, not who is actually responsible.

 

Loved Obama hypocrisy today. In one breath he says Republicans threatening to burn the House down if they don't get 100% of what they want.

In the next breath he says he won't negotiate on the bill.

Are people really this stupid that they don't see his stupidity?

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now everyone is saying, "let it go through"

 

when no one gets their tax refunds, right before the election...

 

these 60% - 40% plans...

 

when it implodes only one party will be to blame

 

the right can run on "we told you so"

 

I say if we let it pass... attach a balanced budget amendment

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is oblamer going to shut down gov ? or force unaffordablecareTAX ?

 

looks like oblamer will shut down gov to save his ACA debacle...

 

you libloons can scream and yell, stomp your feet and lie...

 

but this is who shut down gov, proof ? = if he signed it... would gov had shut down ?

 

lets see if oblamer agrees... why he shut down gov...

 

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is oblamer going to shut down gov ? or force unaffordablecareTAX

 

If the HOR passed a budget that didn't include funding for DOJ .... would you accuse Obama of refusing to enforce the laws?

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If

if ?

 

listen you pathetic backpedaling coward...

 

if you want to talk about "if" start a thread about "if"

 

I am talking about reality...

 

obviously you can not debunk anything I say...

 

I seem to have missed where you quoted the law that makes "cuntswaylow" eligible to vote...

 

did you miss it too ?

 

If the HOR passed a budget that didn't include funding for DOJ .... would you accuse Obama of refusing to enforce the laws?

speaking of HOR and funding the DOJ...

 

the DOJ is funded... why is ocorrupto not enforcing the laws ?

 

why is ocorrupto violating the law and the constitution ?

 

you retarded fkn clown...

 

get a clue tard... defunding ACA only shuts down the government when ocorrupto is in charge...

 

here is the proof who shut down the government

 

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