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No more subsidy! The answer is quite literally, most certainly, nope. Would it harm the U.S. President for trying to stop it? Yes! Most likely, he'd not be successful even if he did.

The money, the one billion plus, actually never leaves any bank in the U.S, and is then given to Egypt.

Instead, it goes to a U.S. corporation that makes tanks and such that the Egyptian military already has far too much of. Most of this armament sits, never used in crates. It's meaningless to them.

But if the president said no more subsidy, well, the Senate, and then the House, would go nuts.

Mr. President, you are taking jobs away from our citizens. Jobs you are cutting, real jobs here in the U.S.

The backlash would be endless.

Egypt doesn't have any discretionary control over the said subsidy. They know it, we know it.

So why do they keep talking about it in the press?

I guess that's part of our stupid foreign policy that pisses people off. There's not a lot of truth or real transparency in a lot of foreign policy. Baby, it's corporations...

A billion, what, that's peanuts... compared to what our pentagon spends... C O R P O R A T I O N S.

Well I guess, corporations are people. If you own a 401K, you're a shareholder too!

 

Peace!

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For over 30 years now corporations have lobbied (bribed) Congress successfully for tax breaks and other incentives to relocate overseas and exploit the desparate willing to work for slave wages while crippling Labor here in the U.S. The exception have been the military industries like AM General, Raytheon, Colt, Boeing, General Dynamics, etc etc. So now there's a surplus of unemployed from the relocated industries and if anyone criticizes the Military they are accused of trying to create unemployment here at home.

 

First steps to remedy the situation would be to get rid of the Corporate Personhood provision in the 14th amendement and repeal the Citizens United ruling which claims money is part of free speech. Amend the Constitution to make it perfectly clear that money in politics is not protected under the 1st amendement.

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Well Egypt is still in the throes of a revolution, but where it goes nobody knows. The military there is all there seems to be. There's obvious division there. The Muslim Brotherhood just don't cut it, but they got a lot of followers. Democracy in its infancy can be a dangerous thing. Especially in the Middle East. The French Revolution went very ugly for a long while after the King was removed.

All them other countries in Europe feared France and France feared them back. There's danger in Military rule.

 

Peace!

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That chunk of aid was a part of the Camp David deal...and got Egypt co-operative rather than getting ready for yet another war. And...yes...a chunk of it is in US made jets etc. We might HINT we could cut that...but actually, Egypt gets more aid from the Saudis than the USA as is.

 

I assume Egypt will have another election...once the rioting and unrest cools down. I expect the Egyptians learned that the Muslim Brotherhood...is NOT the best choice. The Army did not lead the overthrow of Morsi....a few million unhappy Egyptians were in the streets and Morsi etc...had been screwin' up again and again. I'm expecting the "second chance" election to have a better outcome. The military does not seem to really want to BE the Govt too...they want something functional. Their leaders are rather pro USA, want an HONEST and workable civilian Democracy.

 

Short term...it's a mess but long haul, I'm optimistic. There's been a learning process.

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There are some brilliant people in Egypt - I hope ElBaradei somehow becomes the next president. I've always respected this man!

By Lin Noueihed

CAIRO | Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:56pm EDT

CAIRO (Reuters) - Mohamed ElBaradei, Egypt's former interim vice president, is being sued for a "betrayal of trust" over his decision to quit the army-backed government in protest at its bloody crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood.

The case points to the prospect of a new wave of politically driven lawsuits being brought to court following the downfall of President Mohamed Mursi, whose supporters brought a raft of cases against opposition figures during his year in power.

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Anti-government activists had called those suits, many of them accusing people of "insulting the president", a form of political intimidation.

ElBaradei's case, brought by an Egyptian law professor, will be heard in a Cairo court on September 19, judicial sources said on Tuesday.

ElBaradei, the former head of the U.N. nuclear agency and co-leader of the secular National Salvation Front (NSF) grouping, was the most prominent liberal to endorse the military's overthrow of Mursi on July 3 following mass protests.

But he resigned on August 14 after security forces attacked the protest camps set up by Mursi's Muslim Brotherhood supporters in Cairo, killing hundreds of people.

The military's intervention against Mursi has polarized public opinion in Egypt. Around 900 people have died in violence across the country over the past week.

Sayyed Ateeq, a law professor at Helwan University, filed the suit against ElBaradei.

"He was appointed in his capacity as a representative of the NSF and the majority of the people who signed the Tamarod declaration," he told Reuters, referring to the broad movement that led the anti-Mursi protests.

"Doctor ElBaradei was entrusted with this position and he had a duty to go back to those who entrusted him and ask to resign" instead of stepping down on his own, he said.

Ateeq said that, if found guilty, ElBaradei could face a three-year prison sentence. But a judicial source said the maximum sentence in a case of this kind was a fine and a suspended jail term.

ElBaradei left Egypt this week for Europe and is unlikely to attend any hearing in the case.

Khaled Dawoud, an aide to ElBaradei who quit as NSF spokesman following the crackdown, said Ateeq "set a precedent that harms Egypt's reputation abroad, when a politician is prosecuted just for resigning from his post, something that has never happened before in any country in the world".

The lawsuit follows a wave of arrests of Muslim Brotherhood leaders in recent days and a decision by the public prosecutor to charge Mursi, who is being detained in an undisclosed location, with inciting violence.

"If this case against ElBaradei is true then it is a major escalation showing that things are getting very polarized. You're either on this side or on that side," Dawoud told Reuters.

(Additional reporting by Tom Perry; Editing by Tom Perry and Xavier Briand)

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