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My first interest in Law was a statement in our Church that, "the Law will not save you". That presented the question, "Then why did God present the Law (Ten Commandments)?". The answer I was told was that the Ten Commandments was to show people they were imperfect and needed Jesus. But that made God look like a mean vindictive person, and I believe God is a God of both Love and Righteousness, so that answer did not satisfy me.

When I started looking at various forms of Law (Ten Commandments, Sharia Law, Natural Law, Civil Law, etc.) there was a common thread that the Law was to protect good people from evil people.

Yes, "the Law will not save you" but it should protect you if you are a good person. Note the word "good".

The Bible is a large book, because it takes a lot to define good and evil and to show examples.

I use the Bible to define good and evil, but I also add the requirement that evil is anything that leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty.

Civil Law should never violate God's Law and should protect people from those things that lead to disease, death, destruction and poverty.

Law should never be used to give preference to anything other than a preference of good over evil.

Law is useless and confusion when Law is used to try to change peoples attitudes. Law should only deal with the physical and not the spiritual (attitudes).

Law should be between two parties where the injured party (or their representative) is seeking justice relative to another person. Class Actions are stupid because they assume all in the class are equally guilty, without providing proof.

My concern with the Law is that Civil Law is being abused to do evil instead of good. Good people do not believe the law protects them so they believe they must defend themselves. Criminals know the Law will not execute them so they don't worry about committing a crime (jail isn't all that bad).

The Bible condemn killing in the sense of one person killing another, but he Bible requires execution when the congregation (jury, congress, etc) authorizes the execution. The jury and congress are both the authorized representative of the people. The president should not be authorized to declare war since that is a single person, even if they are the representative of the people.

 

Self defense is allowed by the Bible and by common sense.

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Your repugnant dream of living in a theocracy will never happen on America. We are a democracy, and the change towards more liberal policies is just getting started.

 

Nothing is more dangerous to liberty and freedom than theocratic rule and conservative ideals. And every day, more and more people are waking up to the ugly truth about religious and conservative doctrines and just how regressive and disastrous they are to a free society.

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Your repugnant dream of living in a theocracy will never happen on America. We are a democracy, and the change towards more liberal policies is just getting started.

 

Nothing is more dangerous to liberty and freedom than theocratic rule and conservative ideals. And every day, more and more people are waking up to the ugly truth about religious and conservative doctrines and just how regressive and disastrous they are to a free society.

 

What I described was America from 1776 to 1945 when Roosevelt introduced Socialism into America.

 

It has been downhill since 1945.

 

The economy may look good, but there is a 16 Trillion Dollar debt to resolve.

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My first interest in Law was a statement in our Church that, "the Law will not save you". That presented the question, "Then why did God present the Law (Ten Commandments)?". The answer I was told was that the Ten Commandments was to show people they were imperfect and needed Jesus. But that made God look like a mean vindictive person, and I believe God is a God of both Love and Righteousness, so that answer did not satisfy me.

 

When I started looking at various forms of Law (Ten Commandments, Sharia Law, Natural Law, Civil Law, etc.) there was a common thread that the Law was to protect good people from evil people.

 

Yes, "the Law will not save you" but it should protect you if you are a good person. Note the word "good".

 

The Bible is a large book, because it takes a lot to define good and evil and to show examples.

 

I use the Bible to define good and evil, but I also add the requirement that evil is anything that leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty.

 

Civil Law should never violate God's Law and should protect people from those things that lead to disease, death, destruction and poverty.

 

Law should never be used to give preference to anything other than a preference of good over evil.

 

Law is useless and confusion when Law is used to try to change peoples attitudes. Law should only deal with the physical and not the spiritual (attitudes).

 

Law should be between two parties where the injured party (or their representative) is seeking justice relative to another person. Class Actions are stupid because they assume all in the class are equally guilty, without providing proof.

 

My concern with the Law is that Civil Law is being abused to do evil instead of good. Good people do not believe the law protects them so they believe they must defend themselves. Criminals know the Law will not execute them so they don't worry about committing a crime (jail isn't all that bad).

 

The Bible condemn killing in the sense of one person killing another, but he Bible requires execution when the congregation (jury, congress, etc) authorizes the execution. The jury and congress are both the authorized representative of the people. The president should not be authorized to declare war since that is a single person, even if they are the representative of the people.

 

Self defense is allowed by the Bible and by common sense.

This is a vain attempt to justify your actions and thoughts before God about killing one person.

 

Thank God (you should thank God) there is "grace".

 

Will you be letting go of your justification to embrace grace?

 

Probably not today.

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God's laws, I believe, are the ones designed within the works of the universe. Based on observation one can determine God's laws when you see the results and interpret them.

 

The hard part is removing the humans perception from the observations and interpretation.

 

Things like murder, stealing, jealousy etc could be seen as against Gods law if they are only meant to produce good.

 

I'd have to assume there are different types of laws as well.. Technical operation of the universe, like math, scientific laws etc and then you would have moral laws that govern interactions between living things.

 

If we are expected to rise above animalistic survival, then observance of moral laws is crucial.

 

I think any law that goes beyond right and wrong and delves into gray areas should rely more upon a judge rather than written law.

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God's laws, I believe, are the ones designed within the works of the universe. Based on observation one can determine God's laws when you see the results and interpret them.

 

The hard part is removing the humans perception from the observations and interpretation.

 

Things like murder, stealing, jealousy etc could be seen as against Gods law if they are only meant to produce good.

 

I'd have to assume there are different types of laws as well.. Technical operation of the universe, like math, scientific laws etc and then you would have moral laws that govern interactions between living things.

 

If we are expected to rise above animalistic survival, then observance of moral laws is crucial.

 

I think any law that goes beyond right and wrong and delves into gray areas should rely more upon a judge rather than written law.

 

Homosexuality, Adultery and Drugs are not gray areas, because they lead to documented disease, death, destrucion and poverty.

 

Relationship of Good Civil Law and God's Law

 

http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/blackstone/bla-002.htm

 

William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England states, "This law of nature, being coeval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other-It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times; no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this: and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original."

 

The key point stated by Blackstone is that law was dictated by God himself, it is superior to all other law, and that no laws contrary to the laws dictated by God are valid. Civil Law does not have to be God's Law, but Civil Law should be consistent with God's Law and Civil Law should never violate God's Law. No one should be forced to be a Christian, but all should be judged by Civil Law that is based on Christian Principles.

 

The Church should rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State should rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons. All rebuke by Christians should be based on scripture from the Bible.

 

This is a vain attempt to justify your actions and thoughts before God about killing one person.

 

Thank God (you should thank God) there is "grace".

 

Will you be letting go of your justification to embrace grace?

 

Probably not today.

 

You preach Grace and I will preach Righteousness, and maybe we will meet in Heaven.

 

1John 2:4 - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

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Homosexuality, Adultery and Drugs are not gray areas, because they lead to documented disease, death, destrucion and poverty.

 

Relationship of Good Civil Law and God's Law

 

http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/blackstone/bla-002.htm

 

William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England states, "This law of nature, being coeval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other-It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times; no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this: and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original."

 

The key point stated by Blackstone is that law was dictated by God himself, it is superior to all other law, and that no laws contrary to the laws dictated by God are valid. Civil Law does not have to be God's Law, but Civil Law should be consistent with God's Law and Civil Law should never violate God's Law. No one should be forced to be a Christian, but all should be judged by Civil Law that is based on Christian Principles.

 

The Church should rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State should rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons. All rebuke by Christians should be based on scripture from the Bible.

 

 

 

You preach Grace and I will preach Righteousness, and maybe we will meet in Heaven.

 

1John 2:4 - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

A commandement to gang up and kill those who sin. I'm sorry, but you won't convince me to go along.

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No.

 

Are you making a distinction between being "sinful" and doing "evil"?

 

Is it your belief that homosexuals should be exectuted?

 

 

 

 

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In many countries, the intentional or reckless infection of a person with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is considered to be a crime. This is often conflated, in laws and in discussion, with criminal exposure to HIV, which does not require the transmission of the virus and often, as in the cases of spitting and biting, does not include a realistic means of transmission.[1][2] Some countries or jurisdictions, including some areas of the U.S., have enacted laws expressly to criminalize HIV transmission or exposure, charging those accused with criminal transmission of HIV. Others, including the United Kingdom, charge the accused under existing laws with such crimes as murder, manslaughter, attempted murder, or assault.

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In many countries, the intentional or reckless infection of a person with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is considered to be a crime. This is often conflated, in laws and in discussion, with criminal exposure to HIV, which does not require the transmission of the virus and often, as in the cases of spitting and biting, does not include a realistic means of transmission.[1][2] Some countries or jurisdictions, including some areas of the U.S., have enacted laws expressly to criminalize HIV transmission or exposure, charging those accused with criminal transmission of HIV. Others, including the United Kingdom, charge the accused under existing laws with such crimes as murder, manslaughter, attempted murder, or assault.

So, "yes", you beleive we should be executing homosexuals?

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My first interest in Law was a statement in our Church that, "the Law will not save you". That presented the question, "Then why did God present the Law (Ten Commandments)?". The answer I was told was that the Ten Commandments was to show people they were imperfect and needed Jesus. But that made God look like a mean vindictive person, and I believe God is a God of both Love and Righteousness, so that answer did not satisfy me.

 

When I started looking at various forms of Law (Ten Commandments, Sharia Law, Natural Law, Civil Law, etc.) there was a common thread that the Law was to protect good people from evil people.

 

Yes, "the Law will not save you" but it should protect you if you are a good person. Note the word "good".

 

The Bible is a large book, because it takes a lot to define good and evil and to show examples.

 

I use the Bible to define good and evil, but I also add the requirement that evil is anything that leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty.

 

Civil Law should never violate God's Law and should protect people from those things that lead to disease, death, destruction and poverty.

 

Law should never be used to give preference to anything other than a preference of good over evil.

 

Law is useless and confusion when Law is used to try to change peoples attitudes. Law should only deal with the physical and not the spiritual (attitudes).

 

Law should be between two parties where the injured party (or their representative) is seeking justice relative to another person. Class Actions are stupid because they assume all in the class are equally guilty, without providing proof.

 

My concern with the Law is that Civil Law is being abused to do evil instead of good. Good people do not believe the law protects them so they believe they must defend themselves. Criminals know the Law will not execute them so they don't worry about committing a crime (jail isn't all that bad).

 

The Bible condemn killing in the sense of one person killing another, but he Bible requires execution when the congregation (jury, congress, etc) authorizes the execution. The jury and congress are both the authorized representative of the people. The president should not be authorized to declare war since that is a single person, even if they are the representative of the people.

 

Self defense is allowed by the Bible and by common sense.

WTF???????According to the bible, the ten commandments were written Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the time of Jesus, try again stupid.

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So, "yes", you beleive we should be executing homosexuals?

somehow, he thinks he will not be responsible for his stance if he replies with an age old plot from "Law and Order".

 

but his boss/preacher knows that the queries will steer right to asking for him to define the crime.

 

which tells us that he is not an amateur propagandist, but not a clever one either.

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... Drugs are not gray areas, because they lead to documented disease, death, destrucion and poverty.

Where? If you are referring to the abuse of drugs, you might have a point, but drugs themselves are inanimate objects that lead to nothing on their own, and many have beneficial uses.

 

Genesis 1:12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.

 

John 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

Matthew 15:10-11 And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.”

 

etc.

 

It is really annoying when people misuse Christianity to forward their own biases, fears, and prejudices.

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Laws and things like the Ten Commandments are open to interpretation. I'll give you an example via a funny story that happened to me a few weeks past. I run into this fellow I worked with in a previous job. for years I worked with this fellow and him being highly religious would constantly try to save me. If I had a nickel for every time he asked me if I had let Jesus Christ into my life I'd be retired by now. And the times he told me I was going to hell, along with my family, for not attending church and bible study.

 

Anyhow, the fellow tells me life is hard since his divorce. Now I thought divorce was against church rules but he assured me that in his case he knew that God sanctified his separation. Ok. Fine.

 

Now at this company we both worked there was an employee that was robbing the company blind. I asked him if said employee was still robbing the company blind. His reply was that he wouldn't comment on that since said employee was helping him out in times of trouble. So there you have it. He knew the fellow was breaking one of the ten commandments but the fellow was helping him out so it was OK to turn a blind eye to the act.

 

For anyone else these things were a sin. But only a sin if it was convenient. Otherwise "What the hell" wink, wink.

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Should't evil people be exectuted?

 

You may think you're righteous but Jesus doesn't. Jesus said "Let those who have not sinned cast the first stone." Have you never sinned? Arrogance and vanity, judging by your posts you show them in spades, are sins too my friend, not to mention that you seem murderous.. You should learn a little humility instead of worrying about what others do and don't do. See you in hell.

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Your repugnant dream of living in a theocracy will never happen on America. We are a democracy, and the change towards more liberal policies is just getting started.

 

Nothing is more dangerous to liberty and freedom than theocratic rule and conservative ideals. And every day, more and more people are waking up to the ugly truth about religious and conservative doctrines and just how regressive and disastrous they are to a free society.

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Well said.

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You may think you're righteous but Jesus doesn't. Jesus said "Let those who have not sinned cast the first stone." Have you never sinned? Arrogance and vanity, judging by your posts you show them in spades, are sins too my friend, not to mention that you seem murderous.. You should learn a little humility instead of worrying about what others do and don't do. See you in hell.

 

Well certainly one of us is going to hell.

 

You might not know homosexuality activity was a sin except someone tell you what the Bible says. You should be thanking me instead of cursing me.

 

II Timothy 3:16 states, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

 

Laws and things like the Ten Commandments are open to interpretation. I'll give you an example via a funny story that happened to me a few weeks past. I run into this fellow I worked with in a previous job. for years I worked with this fellow and him being highly religious would constantly try to save me. If I had a nickel for every time he asked me if I had let Jesus Christ into my life I'd be retired by now. And the times he told me I was going to hell, along with my family, for not attending church and bible study.

 

Anyhow, the fellow tells me life is hard since his divorce. Now I thought divorce was against church rules but he assured me that in his case he knew that God sanctified his separation. Ok. Fine.

 

Now at this company we both worked there was an employee that was robbing the company blind. I asked him if said employee was still robbing the company blind. His reply was that he wouldn't comment on that since said employee was helping him out in times of trouble. So there you have it. He knew the fellow was breaking one of the ten commandments but the fellow was helping him out so it was OK to turn a blind eye to the act.

 

For anyone else these things were a sin. But only a sin if it was convenient. Otherwise "What the hell" wink, wink.

 

People can interpert the Bible anyway they want, and pervert the Bible all they want, but all will be judged relative to the Bible.

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Where? If you are referring to the abuse of drugs, you might have a point, but drugs themselves are inanimate objects that lead to nothing on their own, and many have beneficial uses.

 

Genesis 1:12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.

 

John 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

Matthew 15:10-11 And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.”

 

etc.

 

It is really annoying when people misuse Christianity to forward their own biases, fears, and prejudices.

 

There are good drugs and there are evil drugs.

 

The drugs that are advocated by Progressives, Liberals, Atheists and Democrats are the evil drugs like Marijuana.

 

But you already knew that, you just wanted to play word games to justify your perversion.

 

 

WTF???????According to the bible, the ten commandments were written Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the time of Jesus, try again stupid.

 

God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are one and the same as the Trinity.

 

They have always been and will always be.

 

They all say the same thing.

 

Three Levels of Action Necessary for Survival of a Society/Civilization

 

I believe the Bible teaches all things should be dealt with by the following three levels of action;

1) If it is good - accept it and nourish it.

2) If it is evil - rebuke it but tolerate it.

3) If it threatens your existence - destroy it before it destroys you. This is self defense, which both the individual and society have a right and responsibility to do.

 

The first two are from the New Testament of the Bible and represent the Law of Love. The third is from the Old Testament of the Bible and represents the Law of Purity/Self Defense. The New Testament deals more with personal responsibility (spiritual attitudes) and the Old Testament deals more with the preservation of society (physical actions). The Old Testament and the New Testament together present God's Law, a means of survival for a person, a nation and a world. No one should be forced to be a Christian, but all should be judged by Civil Law based on Christian Principles.

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Well certainly one of us is going to hell.

 

You might not know homosexuality activity was a sin except someone tell you what the Bible says. You should be thanking me instead of cursing me.

 

Have fun, pack light, I hear it's a bitch down there.

 

Homosexuality may be a "sin" in your eyes but it sure as hell isn't against the law and if you condone murdering those that are different then you then you will be judged harshly by man's law and god's law.

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Should't evil people be exectuted?

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2) If it is evil - rebuke it but tolerate it.

 

There is your own answer to your own question.

 

Now I suppose you will explain how your life is being threatened by homosexuals.

 

Oh, so you believe homosexuals should be executed?

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There is your own answer to your own question.

 

Now I suppose you will explain how your life is being threatened by homosexuals.

 

Oh, so you believe homosexuals should be executed?

 

Homosexual activity produces over 1.7 million death due to AIDS, and is leading to resurgence of TB which is transmittet by air, so all the population is in danger, not just those that are involved with homosexuals.

 

I believe passive homosexuals should be toleratated, but aggressive homosexuals should be executed in accordance with Law.

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Have fun, pack light, I hear it's a bitch down there.

 

Homosexuality may be a "sin" in your eyes but it sure as hell isn't against the law and if you condone murdering those that are different then you then you will be judged harshly by man's law and god's law.

 

You believe you are going to Heaven?

 

I never condone or advocate murder, but I condone and advocate execution (after jury trial) for those that are a danger to society such as killers, aggressive homosexuals, people that advocate homosexualtiy, aggressive adulters, people that advocate adultery, aggressive drug users/dealers and those that advocate drugs.

 

God hates sin, because sin hurts people.

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