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Bye bye USA if this passes the House. I'm hoping this will be DOA in the House. The campaign is already on to call our reps in the House, and tell them to kill this on arrival.

Not surprising. Amnesty will hurt Americans at a time when government benefits are needed the most.. The retirement of the biggest generation of Americans will need these benefits.

We need to protect these Americans who paid into the system all there lives. Most depend on Social Security and other government programs. If we give these illegals Amnesty this will strip these programs down to nothing.

Our government can be proactive,and stop lying to Americans. Put REAL laws in place which will lead to self deportation. Common Sense laws to Stop Anchor babies, Strict fines those for those who hire illegals, and other laws that would stop rewarding illegals with benefits.

Americans should not listen to PRO Amnesty opinions of big media who owns second language stations and others who want to profit from Amnesty. These people are not innocent. They skipped others who legally want to come to this country and will take what they can from who ever they can. Have no sorrow for them,we gave Amnesty in 1986. Now the problem is 10 time worst and they have taken advantage of Americas generosity.

 

 

 

The comprehensive immigration overhaul being taken up in the Senate this week could cost taxpayers $6.3 trillion if 11 million illegal immigrants are granted legal status, according to a long-awaited estimate by the conservative Heritage Foundation.

 

The cost would arise from illegal immigrants tapping into the government's vast network of benefits and services, many of which are currently unavailable to them. This includes everything from standard benefits like Social Security and Medicare to dozens of welfare programs ranging from housing assistance to food stamps.

 

The report was obtained in advance by Fox News.

 

"No matter how you slice it, amnesty will add a tremendous amount of pressure on America's already strained public purse," Robert Rector, the Heritage scholar who prepared the report, said in a statement.

 

The study is already coming under criticism from some groups and economists who challenge its assumptions, claiming the legalization would help fuel economic growth. Heritage Foundation President Jim DeMint, though, defended the study ahead of its release Monday morning.

 

"There's no way you can look at this and say that it's good for the American taxpayer," he told Fox News.

 

The numbers could raise additional concerns for Republicans as a Senate committee prepares to consider the legislation later this week.

 

The comprehensive study, aside from looking at benefits, also factored in the cost of public education and other services like highways and police. The government is already providing some of those services to illegal immigrants, so the $6.3 trillion figure would not represent all new costs.

 

But most of that cost would be new spending, according to Heritage, as illegal immigrants gain access to additional government programs. The study acknowledges that, for a 10-year period, illegal immigrants seeking a reprieve would be barred from these benefits. After that window, though, Heritage forecasts the costs skyrocketing.

 

On an annual basis, the report estimates the cost will be $106 billion after the interim phase is over. In the course of their lifetime, the report estimates that illegal immigrant households would receive an average of $592,000 in government benefits.

 

The $6.3 trillion figure is based on what illegal immigrants would cost the government over the course of their lifetime. It factors in the expected $3.1 trillion in taxes they'd pay to the government.

 

Supporters of immigration legislation have been skeptical of efforts to assign a cost to the immigration bill. Proponents argue that the value of bringing millions of illegal immigrants out of the shadows and presumably into the taxpaying workforce is immeasurable.

 

Economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, said the Heritage study ignores key factors like the possibility of illegal immigrants moving up the economic ladder.

 

"There's no upward mobility," he told FoxNews.com. "They're frozen" in low-paying jobs.

 

Holtz-Eakin said the estimate assumes "no American dream" for those who attain legal status.

 

Stephen Moore, an economist and Wall Street Journal writer, said many economists challenge the notion that immigrants are a net cost to the country. He told Fox News despite the Heritage findings, there are other studies showing the legalization will be an economic boon that could grow the economy -- in turn alleviating the country's deficit problem.

 

"You've got to look at both sides of the equation," Moore said. "Yes, the immigrants will use benefits, no question about that, but as they become more productive citizens and they come out of the shadows, a lot of economists -- myself included -- think they'll become more productive and they'll pay more taxes."

 

He noted many immigrants are entrepreneurial, starting businesses that grow the economy.

 

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., a key co-author of the legislation, has also stressed that illegal immigrants applying for legal status would not have access to federal benefits while they are in provisional status.

 

After obtaining a green card, they would still be ineligible for many federal benefits for five years.

 

Rubio plans to attend a meeting Tuesday in his office with more than two dozen conservative leaders who support immigration reform, a Republican planning to attend the meeting told Fox News.

 

The legislation also might not legalize all 11 million illegal immigrants. Some could be disqualified if they have a felony record or other problems in their background.

 

Heritage claims its estimate is on the conservative end.

 

"Those who claim that amnesty will not create a large fiscal burden are simply in a state of denial concerning the underlying redistributional nature of government policy in the 21st century," the report said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/06/study-pegs-cost-immigration-bills-mass-legalization-at-63t/

 

 

 

Read the study here:

 

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/05/the-fiscal-cost-of-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty%20to-the-us-taxpayer

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Cheap compared to the $836.9 Trillion, Gazillion it will cost to build and maintain border security.

Link to credible study? Proof? Of course not. You are blowing smoke out of your ass, as usual..

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Link to credible study? Proof? Of course not. You are blowing smoke out of your ass, as usual..

Ohhhhhhh; that! No; I haven't anything credible to back up my BS contention.

 

You? Anything "credible" to back up your BS contention?

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Ohhhhhhh; that! No; I haven't anything credible to back up my BS contention.

 

You? Anything "credible" to back up your BS contention?

Common sense? You can't add millions of legal but low skill workers and not expect a very high number of them to go on to government assistance programs.

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Ohhhhhhh; that! No; I haven't anything credible to back up my BS contention.

 

You? Anything "credible" to back up your BS contention?

Already posted.

 

Again: Can any of you leftists give the rest of us some facts that will show how amnesty for 11-20million mostly uneducated illegals will benefit our country?

 

Of course not. Your party, and your messiah seem determined to sink the country..

 

So tell us all knowing one, how much do you think this will cost? And how will amnesty, with that cost benefit America?

 

Common sense? You can't add millions of legal but low skill workers and not expect a very high number of them to go on to government assistance programs.

they have no common sense. And have thus far failed to answer the questions posted.

 

Can someone from the left give the rest of us some facts that will show how amnesty for 11-20 million mostly uneducated illegals will benefit our country?

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Already posted.

 

Again: Can any of you leftists give the rest of us some facts that will show how amnesty for 11-20million mostly uneducated illegals will benefit our country?

 

Of course not. Your party, and your messiah seem determined to sink the country..

 

So tell us all knowing one, how much do you think this will cost? And how will amnesty, with that cost benefit America?

 

 

they have no common sense. And have thus far failed to answer the questions posted.

I caught that part. But then you added that pesky word, "credible." Heritage is the antithesis of credible. It's a righty think-tank, lobbying firm, in economics drag that's never been right about anything, ever. They're a joke.

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I caught that part. But then you added that pesky word, "credible." Heritage is the antithesis of credible. It's a righty think-tank, lobbying firm, in economics drag that's never been right about anything, ever. They're a joke.

Yet you are unable to refute the numbers in the study.

 

Again- Can someone from the left give the rest of us some facts that will show how amnesty for 11-20 million mostly uneducated illegals will benefit our country?

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Already posted.

 

Again: Can any of you leftists give the rest of us some facts that will show how amnesty for 11-20million mostly uneducated illegals will benefit our country?

 

Of course not. Your party, and your messiah seem determined to sink the country..

 

So tell us all knowing one, how much do you think this will cost? And how will amnesty, with that cost benefit America?

 

 

they have no common sense. And have thus far failed to answer the questions posted.

 

Can someone from the left give the rest of us some facts that will show how amnesty for 11-20 million mostly uneducated illegals will benefit our country?

Yeah; same benefit as you and me. More people, the lifeblood of great societies, throughout history, despite the retarded fear of many. We feared the many Europeans that flocked here during the Great Potato Famine. Boat People were going to be the death of America, and now are the Asian Businesspeople righties go on and on about when spewing Black and Brown hate. And Hispanics are vitally important, economically. Just look at all the "Se Hablo Espanol" signs retailer hang in hopes of attracting customers. In fact, the one thing that economic growth tracks to more than anything else is inflation and population ... and without immigration we'd have what Russia has and fears: population decrease. The locals have fertility rates too low to maintain ours, much less grow it as we need to to remain a major economic power.

 

Their value is in their numbers. You have a kid and it helps, too; we'll need more schools, roads and store serving it and the growing number of people, creating growth and opportunity and not shrinking growth and opportunity.

 

Yet you are unable to refute the numbers in the study.

 

Again- Can someone from the left give the rest of us some facts that will show how amnesty for 11-20 million mostly uneducated illegals will benefit our country?

Nor can you validate them. It's righty think tank whose predictions are absurdly inaccurate, each and every time they make some wild assertion.

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Dead thread.

 

Nevermind they will be paying taxes. and were already a drain on our economy.

 

At least this way they can pay some taxes.

 

Its alrigjt though the employers dont want to pay ss or state taxes on labor. they will just hire more illegals. because they are cheaper.

 

Employers will drop their now legals for cheaper illegals. watch.

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Meanwhile, one aspect of the retarded study by Heritage is it's purely cost-side, ignoring other economic factors. If we do that, any of us are pure cost. Hell; take the Federal Budget and divide it by the population. It's about $12 grand per .. man, woman and child. So with a wife and two kids, your cost is $48 grand. Or take any group of White Native-Borns, totaling 11 to 20 million people. Their cost? $132,000,000,000 to $240,000,000,000.

 

Welcome to America. More people costs more, but also brings with it our entire economy. Having 1 million citizens would be cheap, and make us one of those countries the average American couldn't spot on a map.

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Bye bye USA if this passes the House. I'm hoping this will be DOA in the House. The campaign is already on to call our reps in the House, and tell them to kill this on arrival.

Not surprising. Amnesty will hurt Americans at a time when government benefits are needed the most.. The retirement of the biggest generation of Americans will need these benefits.

We need to protect these Americans who paid into the system all there lives. Most depend on Social Security and other government programs. If we give these illegals Amnesty this will strip these programs down to nothing.

Our government can be proactive,and stop lying to Americans. Put REAL laws in place which will lead to self deportation. Common Sense laws to Stop Anchor babies, Strict fines those for those who hire illegals, and other laws that would stop rewarding illegals with benefits.

Americans should not listen to PRO Amnesty opinions of big media who owns second language stations and others who want to profit from Amnesty. These people are not innocent. They skipped others who legally want to come to this country and will take what they can from who ever they can. Have no sorrow for them,we gave Amnesty in 1986. Now the problem is 10 time worst and they have taken advantage of Americas generosity.

 

 

 

The comprehensive immigration overhaul being taken up in the Senate this week could cost taxpayers $6.3 trillion if 11 million illegal immigrants are granted legal status, according to a long-awaited estimate by the conservative Heritage Foundation.

 

The cost would arise from illegal immigrants tapping into the government's vast network of benefits and services, many of which are currently unavailable to them. This includes everything from standard benefits like Social Security and Medicare to dozens of welfare programs ranging from housing assistance to food stamps.

 

The report was obtained in advance by Fox News.

 

"No matter how you slice it, amnesty will add a tremendous amount of pressure on America's already strained public purse," Robert Rector, the Heritage scholar who prepared the report, said in a statement.

 

The study is already coming under criticism from some groups and economists who challenge its assumptions, claiming the legalization would help fuel economic growth. Heritage Foundation President Jim DeMint, though, defended the study ahead of its release Monday morning.

 

"There's no way you can look at this and say that it's good for the American taxpayer," he told Fox News.

 

The numbers could raise additional concerns for Republicans as a Senate committee prepares to consider the legislation later this week.

 

The comprehensive study, aside from looking at benefits, also factored in the cost of public education and other services like highways and police. The government is already providing some of those services to illegal immigrants, so the $6.3 trillion figure would not represent all new costs.

 

But most of that cost would be new spending, according to Heritage, as illegal immigrants gain access to additional government programs. The study acknowledges that, for a 10-year period, illegal immigrants seeking a reprieve would be barred from these benefits. After that window, though, Heritage forecasts the costs skyrocketing.

 

On an annual basis, the report estimates the cost will be $106 billion after the interim phase is over. In the course of their lifetime, the report estimates that illegal immigrant households would receive an average of $592,000 in government benefits.

 

The $6.3 trillion figure is based on what illegal immigrants would cost the government over the course of their lifetime. It factors in the expected $3.1 trillion in taxes they'd pay to the government.

 

Supporters of immigration legislation have been skeptical of efforts to assign a cost to the immigration bill. Proponents argue that the value of bringing millions of illegal immigrants out of the shadows and presumably into the taxpaying workforce is immeasurable.

 

Economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, said the Heritage study ignores key factors like the possibility of illegal immigrants moving up the economic ladder.

 

"There's no upward mobility," he told FoxNews.com. "They're frozen" in low-paying jobs.

 

Holtz-Eakin said the estimate assumes "no American dream" for those who attain legal status.

 

Stephen Moore, an economist and Wall Street Journal writer, said many economists challenge the notion that immigrants are a net cost to the country. He told Fox News despite the Heritage findings, there are other studies showing the legalization will be an economic boon that could grow the economy -- in turn alleviating the country's deficit problem.

 

"You've got to look at both sides of the equation," Moore said. "Yes, the immigrants will use benefits, no question about that, but as they become more productive citizens and they come out of the shadows, a lot of economists -- myself included -- think they'll become more productive and they'll pay more taxes."

 

He noted many immigrants are entrepreneurial, starting businesses that grow the economy.

 

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., a key co-author of the legislation, has also stressed that illegal immigrants applying for legal status would not have access to federal benefits while they are in provisional status.

 

After obtaining a green card, they would still be ineligible for many federal benefits for five years.

 

Rubio plans to attend a meeting Tuesday in his office with more than two dozen conservative leaders who support immigration reform, a Republican planning to attend the meeting told Fox News.

 

The legislation also might not legalize all 11 million illegal immigrants. Some could be disqualified if they have a felony record or other problems in their background.

 

Heritage claims its estimate is on the conservative end.

 

"Those who claim that amnesty will not create a large fiscal burden are simply in a state of denial concerning the underlying redistributional nature of government policy in the 21st century," the report said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/06/study-pegs-cost-immigration-bills-mass-legalization-at-63t/

 

 

 

Read the study here:

 

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/05/the-fiscal-cost-of-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty%20to-the-us-taxpayer

You're a fucking idiot beyond all recognition. Not only has that already been debunked as the bullshit that it is, but we are talking about the Heritage Foundation. If that name is behind anything it's bullshit. In the first place they're known as a conservative think tank. An oxymoron if there ever was one. The CBO has already stated that it will actually save the economy $197 Billion, and will grow the economy, as well as shore up the Social Security system, as House Republicans have already added language to the immigration bill confiscating the SS taxes withheld from their pay checks. Where the fuck do you think you're at, the Glenn Beck show? You know, the home of the low information, know nothing idiot crowd? Here's some advice for you shit for brains. Stop listening to Glenn Beck, and the Heritage Foundation before it fries what few brain cells you have left.

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Yeah; same benefit as you and me. More people, the lifeblood of great societies, throughout history, despite the retarded fear of many. We feared the many Europeans that flocked here during the Great Potato Famine. Boat People were going to be the death of America, and now are the Asian Businesspeople righties go on and on about when spewing Black and Brown hate. And Hispanics are vitally important, economically. Just look at all the "Se Hablo Espanol" signs retailer hang in hopes of attracting customers. In fact, the one thing that economic growth tracks to more than anything else is inflation and population ... and without immigration we'd have what Russia has and fears: population decrease. The locals have fertility rates too low to maintain ours, much less grow it as we need to to remain a major economic power.

 

Their value is in their numbers. You have a kid and it helps, too; we'll need more schools, roads and store serving it and the growing number of people, creating growth and opportunity and not shrinking growth and opportunity.

 

 

Nor can you validate them. It's righty think tank whose predictions are absurdly inaccurate, each and every time they make some wild assertion.

Sorry. Nothing you mentioned is a specific direct benefit to American society.

Of course, I can see where you lefties want millions more people on the government teat. That's the only way you can win elections. By promising more "Free $hit"

 

Why do traitorous leftards want to millions millions of more illegals citizenship when so many of our own people need jobs?

 

Everything you tards want and do is destructive to America. Who's going to pay for this?

 

You folks are all about enslaving Americas childrens grandchildren with debt.

 

Good thing this Bill will likely get killed in the House.

 

Dead thread.

 

Nevermind they will be paying taxes. and were already a drain on our economy.

 

At least this way they can pay some taxes.

 

Its alrigjt though the employers dont want to pay ss or state taxes on labor. they will just hire more illegals. because they are cheaper.

 

Employers will drop their now legals for cheaper illegals. watch.

the only thing dead here is that empty space between your ears.

 

In our fragile state of the economy, the systems in place cannot possibly handle millions more on it.

 

Where will these jobs come from you say they will all be paying taxes with?

 

remember? We already have a real unemployment rate of 12% in America. Is Obama going to wave his magic wand and instantly create tens of millions of new jobs??

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You're a fucking idiot beyond all recognition. Not only has that already been debunked as the bullshit that it is, but we are talking about the Heritage Foundation. If that name is behind anything it's bullshit. In the first place they're known as a conservative think tank. An oxymoron if there ever was one. The CBO has already stated that it will actually save the economy $197 Billion, and will grow the economy, as well as shore up the Social Security system, as House Republicans have already added language to the immigration bill confiscating the SS taxes withheld from their pay checks. Where the fuck do you think you're at, the Glenn Beck show? You know, the home of the low information, know nothing idiot crowd? Here's some advice for you shit for brains. Stop listening to Glenn Beck, and the Heritage Foundation before it fries what few brain cells you have left.

Your idiotic rant does not refute anything I post. I trust the CBO about as far as I can throw them.

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You're a fucking idiot beyond all recognition. Not only has that already been debunked as the bullshit that it is, but we are talking about the Heritage Foundation. If that name is behind anything it's bullshit. In the first place they're known as a conservative think tank. An oxymoron if there ever was one. The CBO has already stated that it will actually save the economy $197 Billion, and will grow the economy, as well as shore up the Social Security system, as House Republicans have already added language to the immigration bill confiscating the SS taxes withheld from their pay checks. Where the fuck do you think you're at, the Glenn Beck show? You know, the home of the low information, know nothing idiot crowd? Here's some advice for you shit for brains. Stop listening to Glenn Beck, and the Heritage Foundation before it fries what few brain cells you have left.

Dude, the CBO is a joke...

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Sorry. Nothing you mentioned is a specific direct benefit to American society.

Of course, I can see where you lefties want millions more people on the government teat. That's the only way you can win elections. By promising more "Free $hit"

 

Why do traitorous leftards want to millions millions of more illegals citizenship when so many of our own people need jobs?

 

Everything you tards want and do is destructive to America. Who's going to pay for this?

 

You folks are all about enslaving Americas childrens grandchildren with debt.

 

Good thing this Bill will likely get killed in the House.

 

 

the only thing dead here is that empty space between your ears.

 

In our fragile state of the economy, the systems in place cannot possibly handle millions more on it.

 

Where will these jobs come from you say they will all be paying taxes with?

 

remember? We already have a real unemployment rate of 12% in America. Is Obama going to wave his magic wand and instantly create tens of millions of new jobs??

Yeah; it was. What do you think retailers have "Se Habla Espanol" signs for; to brag or maybe get some customers in there BUYING STUFF?

 

Or what "they" have a bunch of kids, and new school is needed? Who benefits, besides the large staff of decently but not greatly paid workers? The contractor, the subs and materials makers that went into building the joint. Then they spend the dough; it gets moving around in service of greater number of folks in the community, not to mention the country.

 

Or consider the opposite: communities with shrinking populations, trending toward Podunk Ghost Towns, with broken down homes, aging businesses and empty storefronts.

 

The fact is, most in DC understand the economic importance of immigrants, and thus the lack luster efforts to spend money doing what makes zero economic sense: remove productive people, or any people for that matter. But immigrants don't vote. Only stupid citizens can, and they're filled with stupid fears, as we have been with every strong wave of immigration. The stupidity is nothing new. So DC has to balance smart economic policy with political practicality, and cooks up ways of keep "them" here, without seeming like we're keeping them here. Pretty nutty, but what can you do with so many pinheaded voters who haven't the basest understanding of the economic impact of a growing population?

 

So we get nutty stuff, i.e. this new immigration bill.

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