DownInFlames Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I think a huge problem with our current political landscape is that the terms 'conservative' and 'liberal' have lost all their meaning, and more or less mean whatever the person using the term wants. Just fyi the terms 'left wing' and 'right wing' originated in the French Revolution - the 'left wingers' were pro-revolution while the 'right wingers' were pro-monarchy. But the terms have become skewed over time so this muddies the waters. For example, many Ron Paul worshipers will call themselves "real conservatives", even though they support pro-individual policies which would've been considered "left wing" at the time of the French Revolution. Right wingers will often decry liberal elitism, even though an aristocracy essentially means "rule by elites" - which would have been "right wing" by the Revolutionary definition. So depending on your perspective, a "conservative" could be someone who supports the PATRIOT act, or someone who heavily favors states' rights, - even though both are more or less polar opposites on the spectrum. While a "liberal" could be anyone from an economic socialist, to someone who favors gay marriage, to (gasp) someone who 'believes in evolution' - depending on where you're coming from. Bottom line is, the original terms have lost all their meaning and it'd be nice if they were just scrapped. Hell it'd be nice if we could dissolve the Dem/Republican parties into a bunch of 3rd parties which have more clearly defined ideologies. Somewhere I heard that you could probably divide the 2 major parties into 100 individual parties of unified ideology. If we could eliminate the current 2 party, and "libs vs cons" system then we might make some real political progress in America, instead of the "sports game politics" that we have today. My 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaB Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Now that was refreshing my friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincubuswon Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Now that was refreshing my friends you have friends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I think a huge problem with our current political landscape is that the terms 'conservative' and 'liberal' have lost all their meaning, and more or less mean whatever the person using the term wants. Just fyi the terms 'left wing' and 'right wing' originated in the French Revolution - the 'left wingers' were pro-revolution while the 'right wingers' were pro-monarchy. But the terms have become skewed over time so this muddies the waters. For example, many Ron Paul worshipers will call themselves "real conservatives", even though they support pro-individual policies which would've been considered "left wing" at the time of the French Revolution. Right wingers will often decry liberal elitism, even though an aristocracy essentially means "rule by elites" - which would have been "right wing" by the Revolutionary definition. So depending on your perspective, a "conservative" could be someone who supports the PATRIOT act, or someone who heavily favors states' rights, - even though both are more or less polar opposites on the spectrum. While a "liberal" could be anyone from an economic socialist, to someone who favors gay marriage, to (gasp) someone who 'believes in evolution' - depending on where you're coming from. Bottom line is, the original terms have lost all their meaning and it'd be nice if they were just scrapped. Hell it'd be nice if we could dissolve the Dem/Republican parties into a bunch of 3rd parties which have more clearly defined ideologies. Somewhere I heard that you could probably divide the 2 major parties into 100 individual parties of unified ideology. If we could eliminate the current 2 party, and "libs vs cons" system then we might make some real political progress in America, instead of the "sports game politics" that we have today. My 2 cents. What you're saying makes sense, but I doubt many people would embrace it. For one thing it would cause confusion with the political PACs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsky Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I think a huge problem with our current political landscape is that the terms 'conservative' and 'liberal' have lost all their meaning, and more or less mean whatever the person using the term wants. Just fyi the terms 'left wing' and 'right wing' originated in the French Revolution - the 'left wingers' were pro-revolution while the 'right wingers' were pro-monarchy. But the terms have become skewed over time so this muddies the waters. For example, many Ron Paul worshipers will call themselves "real conservatives", even though they support pro-individual policies which would've been considered "left wing" at the time of the French Revolution. Right wingers will often decry liberal elitism, even though an aristocracy essentially means "rule by elites" - which would have been "right wing" by the Revolutionary definition. So depending on your perspective, a "conservative" could be someone who supports the PATRIOT act, or someone who heavily favors states' rights, - even though both are more or less polar opposites on the spectrum. While a "liberal" could be anyone from an economic socialist, to someone who favors gay marriage, to (gasp) someone who 'believes in evolution' - depending on where you're coming from. Bottom line is, the original terms have lost all their meaning and it'd be nice if they were just scrapped. Hell it'd be nice if we could dissolve the Dem/Republican parties into a bunch of 3rd parties which have more clearly defined ideologies. Somewhere I heard that you could probably divide the 2 major parties into 100 individual parties of unified ideology. If we could eliminate the current 2 party, and "libs vs cons" system then we might make some real political progress in America, instead of the "sports game politics" that we have today. My 2 cents. the word conservative has a definition bro....looking to the past to solve problems of today...traditional...you know...the opposite of progressive you have friends? thats gonna leave a mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownInFlames Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 the word conservative has a definition bro....looking to the past to solve problems of today...traditional...you know...the opposite of progressive Ron Paul supporters say that opposing the war on terror is "conservative". Neo-Cons say that supporting the war on terror is "conservative". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Mack Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Conservative and liberal have no meaning in this era Yeah right...it's the ultraliberals and right wingers you have to watch out for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsky Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Ron Paul supporters say that opposing the war on terror is "conservative". Neo-Cons say that supporting the war on terror is "conservative". this country needs ran like the federalist papers described...that is conservative...anything else is progressive..period. federalist paper conservatism...that is the only thing to save this nation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownInFlames Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 this country needs ran like the federalist papers described...that is conservative...anything else is progressive..period. federalist paper conservatism...that is the only thing to save this nation The Feralist papers are actually "left wing" by the original French Revolutionary definitions of left/right wing. The French Revolutionaries in fact were inspired by the American Revolution. So King George and the Tories were "right wing" by the original definition. That's how much the meanings have been obfuscated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsky Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 The Feralist papers are actually "left wing" by the original French Revolutionary definitions of left/right wing. The French Revolutionaries in fact were inspired by the American Revolution. So King George and the Tories were "right wing" by the original definition. That's how much the meanings have been obfuscated. i didnt use the words left or right wing in my post...i used the word conservative..and i could care less what a bunch of frenchies call anything....france sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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