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I think a huge problem with our current political landscape is that the terms 'conservative' and 'liberal' have lost all their meaning, and more or less mean whatever the person using the term wants.

 

Just fyi the terms 'left wing' and 'right wing' originated in the French Revolution - the 'left wingers' were pro-revolution while the 'right wingers' were pro-monarchy.

 

But the terms have become skewed over time so this muddies the waters. For example, many Ron Paul worshipers will call themselves "real conservatives", even though they support pro-individual policies which would've been considered "left wing" at the time of the French Revolution. Right wingers will often decry liberal elitism, even though an aristocracy essentially means "rule by elites" - which would have been "right wing" by the Revolutionary definition.

 

So depending on your perspective, a "conservative" could be someone who supports the PATRIOT act, or someone who heavily favors states' rights, - even though both are more or less polar opposites on the spectrum. While a "liberal" could be anyone from an economic socialist, to someone who favors gay marriage, to (gasp) someone who 'believes in evolution' - depending on where you're coming from.

 

Bottom line is, the original terms have lost all their meaning and it'd be nice if they were just scrapped. Hell it'd be nice if we could dissolve the Dem/Republican parties into a bunch of 3rd parties which have more clearly defined ideologies. Somewhere I heard that you could probably divide the 2 major parties into 100 individual parties of unified ideology.

 

If we could eliminate the current 2 party, and "libs vs cons" system then we might make some real political progress in America, instead of the "sports game politics" that we have today. My 2 cents.

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I think a huge problem with our current political landscape is that the terms 'conservative' and 'liberal' have lost all their meaning, and more or less mean whatever the person using the term wants.

 

Just fyi the terms 'left wing' and 'right wing' originated in the French Revolution - the 'left wingers' were pro-revolution while the 'right wingers' were pro-monarchy.

 

But the terms have become skewed over time so this muddies the waters. For example, many Ron Paul worshipers will call themselves "real conservatives", even though they support pro-individual policies which would've been considered "left wing" at the time of the French Revolution. Right wingers will often decry liberal elitism, even though an aristocracy essentially means "rule by elites" - which would have been "right wing" by the Revolutionary definition.

 

So depending on your perspective, a "conservative" could be someone who supports the PATRIOT act, or someone who heavily favors states' rights, - even though both are more or less polar opposites on the spectrum. While a "liberal" could be anyone from an economic socialist, to someone who favors gay marriage, to (gasp) someone who 'believes in evolution' - depending on where you're coming from.

 

Bottom line is, the original terms have lost all their meaning and it'd be nice if they were just scrapped. Hell it'd be nice if we could dissolve the Dem/Republican parties into a bunch of 3rd parties which have more clearly defined ideologies. Somewhere I heard that you could probably divide the 2 major parties into 100 individual parties of unified ideology.

 

If we could eliminate the current 2 party, and "libs vs cons" system then we might make some real political progress in America, instead of the "sports game politics" that we have today. My 2 cents.

What you're saying makes sense, but I doubt many people would embrace it. For one thing it would cause confusion with the political PACs.

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I think a huge problem with our current political landscape is that the terms 'conservative' and 'liberal' have lost all their meaning, and more or less mean whatever the person using the term wants.

 

Just fyi the terms 'left wing' and 'right wing' originated in the French Revolution - the 'left wingers' were pro-revolution while the 'right wingers' were pro-monarchy.

 

But the terms have become skewed over time so this muddies the waters. For example, many Ron Paul worshipers will call themselves "real conservatives", even though they support pro-individual policies which would've been considered "left wing" at the time of the French Revolution. Right wingers will often decry liberal elitism, even though an aristocracy essentially means "rule by elites" - which would have been "right wing" by the Revolutionary definition.

 

So depending on your perspective, a "conservative" could be someone who supports the PATRIOT act, or someone who heavily favors states' rights, - even though both are more or less polar opposites on the spectrum. While a "liberal" could be anyone from an economic socialist, to someone who favors gay marriage, to (gasp) someone who 'believes in evolution' - depending on where you're coming from.

 

Bottom line is, the original terms have lost all their meaning and it'd be nice if they were just scrapped. Hell it'd be nice if we could dissolve the Dem/Republican parties into a bunch of 3rd parties which have more clearly defined ideologies. Somewhere I heard that you could probably divide the 2 major parties into 100 individual parties of unified ideology.

 

If we could eliminate the current 2 party, and "libs vs cons" system then we might make some real political progress in America, instead of the "sports game politics" that we have today. My 2 cents.

the word conservative has a definition bro....looking to the past to solve problems of today...traditional...you know...the opposite of progressive

 

you have friends?

thats gonna leave a mark

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the word conservative has a definition bro....looking to the past to solve problems of today...traditional...you know...the opposite of progressive

Ron Paul supporters say that opposing the war on terror is "conservative". Neo-Cons say that supporting the war on terror is "conservative".

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Ron Paul supporters say that opposing the war on terror is "conservative". Neo-Cons say that supporting the war on terror is "conservative".

this country needs ran like the federalist papers described...that is conservative...anything else is progressive..period. federalist paper conservatism...that is the only thing to save this nation

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this country needs ran like the federalist papers described...that is conservative...anything else is progressive..period. federalist paper conservatism...that is the only thing to save this nation

The Feralist papers are actually "left wing" by the original French Revolutionary definitions of left/right wing.

 

The French Revolutionaries in fact were inspired by the American Revolution.

 

So King George and the Tories were "right wing" by the original definition. That's how much the meanings have been obfuscated.

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The Feralist papers are actually "left wing" by the original French Revolutionary definitions of left/right wing.

 

The French Revolutionaries in fact were inspired by the American Revolution.

 

So King George and the Tories were "right wing" by the original definition. That's how much the meanings have been obfuscated.

i didnt use the words left or right wing in my post...i used the word conservative..and i could care less what a bunch of frenchies call anything....france sucks

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