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Health versus Freedom

There is a Cultural War in America between Christians and Atheists.

If Freedom was the only issue, Atheists would have the moral high ground, but if the Health Issue is considered, then the Christians would have the moral high ground.

The Atheists are winning the Cultural War because the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry refuses to discuss the health aspects of the Atheistic Lifestyle and the Christians will not press the issue of the health aspects of the Atheistic Lifestyle.

I believe the Atheistic position on the Cultural War is evil because the Atheists advocate homosexuality, adultery and drugs, which leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty, which leads to the need for a massive health care/welfare system (Socialism), which the Democratic Party uses to enrich themselves through welfare program management.

I believe the Christian position on the Cultural War is good because Christians warn people to refrain from homosexuality, adultery and drugs, which avoids the need for a massive health care/welfare system (Socialism).

I believe the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry should be broken into a News Operation and an Entertainment Operation. There is too much control of America when there is an Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry.

I believe the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry should be held liable for biased reporting, and false reporting. The person who showed the letter used by Dan Rather should have been awarded $100,000. No person in the News and Entertainment industry should be allowed to work for or campaign for any political candidate or the government.

The Freedom of Press aspect of the Constitution requires a total independence from Religion and the Government.

The Cultural War in many ways is a choice by the people of God or Government.

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The Atheists are winning the Cultural War because the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry refuses to discuss the health aspects of the Atheistic Lifestyle and the Christians will not press the issue of the health aspects of the Atheistic Lifestyle.

There is no "atheistic lifestyle." Almost everyone who thinks he's a Christian warps what the Bible says to fit what he wants to have and believe. That makes him no different from people who profess another -- or no - faith.

 

 

 

I believe the Atheistic position on the Cultural War is evil because the Atheists advocate homosexuality, adultery and drugs, which leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty, which leads to the need for a massive health care/welfare system (Socialism), which the Democratic Party uses to enrich themselves through welfare program management.

 

This sounds like a parody of right-wing positions. There is no "Atheistic position" on anything other than the existence of a supreme being, period. Neither atheists nor anyone else for that matter "advocate" homosexuality, or adultery, or drugs. I have no doubt that some Democrats enrich themselves in this way, but that's because they are selfish human beings, not members of a certain political party. I can give you a good long list of Republicans who use their party's power to enrich themselves. Again, it has nothing to do with party.

 

 

 

 

 

I believe the Christian position on the Cultural War is good because Christians warn people to refrain from homosexuality, adultery and drugs, which avoids the need for a massive health care/welfare system (Socialism).

No they don't. Christian divorce rates are higher than the population at large. I know Christian leaders who use drugs. I know two pastors, one of whom was mine, who left their wives for members of their congregations. My pastor was about as conservative and fundamental as it gets, and I guarantee you, after knowing him for a very long time, that he was a true believer. But he's also a human being, and that's all one needs to know to understand why we do bad things.

 

 

 

I believe the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry should be broken into a News Operation and an Entertainment Operation. There is too much control of America when there is an Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry.

 

Funny, I missed the headlines saying "News and Entertainment industries proclaim God does not exist." You're such a broad-brush guy.

 

 

I believe the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry should be held liable for biased reporting, and false reporting.

 

 

Gonna have to hold every last outlet, lib and con, liable, then, with the possible exception of the Christian Science Monitor, long held to be the most unbiased news source in America.

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In general, the practicing Christians I know are bigger pigs than the non-church crowd. Your attempt to take the Christian high road is laughable. Look around your pews this Sunday. There's some serious creepiness going on.

 

That is what all the Atheists say.

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That is what all the Atheists say.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/jack-schaap-sentenced-ind_n_2918139.html

 

Is the media telling lies about this fundamentalist pastor or the many more cases that I can show you?

 

The former pastor of a northwest Indiana megachurch on Wednesday was sentenced to 12 years in prison for having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old parishioner.

 

Last summer, Schaap, 55, was fired from First Baptist Church of Hammond, the 40,000-member congregation of which he had led for 11 years. Upon his firing, Schaap admitted that he had a sexual relationship with the young member of his church.

 

In court Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Rudy Lozano told Schaap the sex crimes were serious in that they were "dealing with the treasures that are most important to us - our children," the Northwest Indiana Times reports.

 

The 12-year prison sentence for Schaap was two years longer than the sentence recommended by prosecutors, according to Reuters, and also includes five years of supervised release.

 

According to letters released by federal prosecutors last week as part of the government's sentencing memorandum, Schaap wrote to the teen that his sexual relationship with her was "exactly what Christ desires for us. He wants to marry us + become eternal lovers!”

 

Schaap reportedly "groomed" the girl through counseling sessions and had sex with her many times -- including during trips to a Michigan cabin, a Crete, Ill. vacation home and in his office during a youth conference, according to Chicago magazine, which ran a detailed feature on the pastor last year. Schaap also reportedly texted the girl often -- as many as 662 times in one month.

 

In letters written to the court, the girl said the former pastor "told me to confide in him, to trust him, and he made me feel safe and comfortable around him as a man of God. … (Schaap) preyed on that trust and my vulnerability," the Chicago Sun-Times reports.

 

 

 

 

Schaap's inappropriate relationship with the teen was reportedly discovered when a church deacon saw on Schaap's cellphone a picture of Schaap and the teenager kissing.

 

The ex-pastor -- long known for his fiery sermons -- previously pleaded guilty to the federal charge of taking a minor across state lines with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity.

 

Schaap and his wife Cindy, the daughter of a beloved former pastor, have been married for more than 30 years and have two children. Schaap had made a career writing advice books about dating in addition to overseeing the megachurch, one of the nation's largest.

 

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My own pastor, a former cop and receiver of many decorations for his service, is quite conservative theologically. He told the congregation one Sunday that he thinks churches are more responsible for wrecking people's lives than anything else he can think of. He stays at it because knowing the enemy (in this case human nature) arms one to do battle. You have to know what it is you're fighting.

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My own pastor, a former cop and receiver of many decorations for his service, is quite conservative theologically. He told the congregation one Sunday that he thinks churches are more responsible for wrecking people's lives than anything else he can think of. He stays at it because knowing the enemy (in this case human nature) arms one to do battle. You have to know what it is you're fighting.

 

Church of Satan? :huh:

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Don't make the mistake of thinking that everybody that attends church is really a true believer. Also remember that even true believers sin and do.dumb stuff. Christians aren't perfect.

 

That is the point we have trying to make this man see. Thie differences between Christian Republicans and Christian Democrats is not a war between Perfect Good and Absolute Evil, but differences in political beliefs. Not all conservative Fundamentalists are good, and liberal Christians are not followers of Satan.

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That is the point we have trying to make this man see. Thie differences between Christian Republicans and Christian Democrats is not a war between Perfect Good and Absolute Evil, but differences in political beliefs. Not all conservative Fundamentalists are good, and liberal Christians are not followers of Satan.

 

You'd have a point except for abortion support.

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That is the point we have trying to make this man see. Thie differences between Christian Republicans and Christian Democrats is not a war between Perfect Good and Absolute Evil, but differences in political beliefs. Not all conservative Fundamentalists are good, and liberal Christians are not followers of Satan.

 

I try to use the word "most" becaue you are right, there are very few absolutes.

 

Most Christians are Republicans and most Atheists are Democrats.

 

Most Consevative Fundamentalist Christians follow the commandments, doctrines of the Bible and most Liberal Christians are not concerned about the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.

 

We elect a person to office on the bases of 51%, not an absolute.

 

We need to define good and evil using the concept of most.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/jack-schaap-sentenced-ind_n_2918139.html

 

Is the media telling lies about this fundamentalist pastor or the many more cases that I can show you?

 

The former pastor of a northwest Indiana megachurch on Wednesday was sentenced to 12 years in prison for having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old parishioner.

 

Last summer, Schaap, 55, was fired from First Baptist Church of Hammond, the 40,000-member congregation of which he had led for 11 years. Upon his firing, Schaap admitted that he had a sexual relationship with the young member of his church.

 

In court Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Rudy Lozano told Schaap the sex crimes were serious in that they were "dealing with the treasures that are most important to us - our children," the Northwest Indiana Times reports.

 

The 12-year prison sentence for Schaap was two years longer than the sentence recommended by prosecutors, according to Reuters, and also includes five years of supervised release.

 

According to letters released by federal prosecutors last week as part of the government's sentencing memorandum, Schaap wrote to the teen that his sexual relationship with her was "exactly what Christ desires for us. He wants to marry us + become eternal lovers!”

 

Schaap reportedly "groomed" the girl through counseling sessions and had sex with her many times -- including during trips to a Michigan cabin, a Crete, Ill. vacation home and in his office during a youth conference, according to Chicago magazine, which ran a detailed feature on the pastor last year. Schaap also reportedly texted the girl often -- as many as 662 times in one month.

 

In letters written to the court, the girl said the former pastor "told me to confide in him, to trust him, and he made me feel safe and comfortable around him as a man of God. … (Schaap) preyed on that trust and my vulnerability," the Chicago Sun-Times reports.

 

 

 

 

Schaap's inappropriate relationship with the teen was reportedly discovered when a church deacon saw on Schaap's cellphone a picture of Schaap and the teenager kissing.

 

The ex-pastor -- long known for his fiery sermons -- previously pleaded guilty to the federal charge of taking a minor across state lines with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity.

 

Schaap and his wife Cindy, the daughter of a beloved former pastor, have been married for more than 30 years and have two children. Schaap had made a career writing advice books about dating in addition to overseeing the megachurch, one of the nation's largest.

 

The Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry is always looking for a preacher gone bad story and they milk the story as much as possible in order to advocate Atheism.

 

The Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry would pay extra for bloody Iraq stories, to attack Bush.

 

There are millions of good preachers and a few bad.

 

In general, the practicing Christians I know are bigger pigs than the non-church crowd. Your attempt to take the Christian high road is laughable. Look around your pews this Sunday. There's some serious creepiness going on.

 

If you were there, that would be true.

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My own pastor, a former cop and receiver of many decorations for his service, is quite conservative theologically. He told the congregation one Sunday that he thinks churches are more responsible for wrecking people's lives than anything else he can think of. He stays at it because knowing the enemy (in this case human nature) arms one to do battle. You have to know what it is you're fighting.

 

So why doesn't he do the good thing and abolish his church?

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