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The NSA is systematically monitoring the Internet posts and telephone conversations of U.S. military returning from Afghanistan, according to a civil-liberties attorney.

 

The FBI and the Secret Service are showing up to request an interview to question specific Internet posts the veteran has placed on websites such as Facebook, explained attorney John Whitehead, founder of the Rutherford Institute.

 

Whitehead said the agencies are looking for anti-Obama views that can be interpreted to reflect psychological problems of sufficient seriousness to disqualify the veteran from ever owning a firearm.

 

Rutherford told WND credible sources within the National Security Agency have told him the NSA is downloading 1 trillion communications on the Internet per month, including posts to various websites, emails, instant message communications and texting messages.

 

As WND reported last week, Whitehead and the Rutherford Institute in a lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court in Richmond, Va., are representing Marine veteran Brandon Raub, 27, who was arrested by FBI and Secret Service agents for comments he made on Facebook expressing dissatisfaction with the present direction of the U.S. government.

 

Whitehead said his office has received numerous calls from U.S. military returning from Afghanistan with reports they are being visited by the FBI and Secret Service to ask questions about their Internet postings.

 

We are advising veterans being visited by the FBI or the Secret Service to take the Fifth Amendment rather than answer questions that might end up with a diagnosis of PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder, which goes into the veterans file and can be used in the future to prevent the veteran from purchasing a firearm, he said.

 

Whitehead said that in most of the cases, there isnt enough information to obtain a search warrant from a judge.

 

But if the veteran answers questions, he said, the Secret Service or the FBI might get a psychiatrist to visit with the vet for 10 or 15 minutes in the jail cell to acquire enough information to certify in front of a judge that the person should be placed in a civil commitment because of a psychological problem.

 

In February, Investors.com reported a complaint by Michael Connelly, executive director of the United States Justice Foundation, that veterans have been getting letters from the Veterans Administration informing them they have been declared mentally incompetent.

 

The vet must provide evidence to the contrary within 60 days. If the vet desires a hearing, he or she must inform the Veterans Administration within 30 days.

 

According to the provisions of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act any person receiving a determination of incompetency can be prevented from purchasing, receiving, owning, or transporting a firearm or ammunition.

 

Ronald S. Honberg, director of policy and legal affairs for the National Alliance on Mental Illness, testified before the Domestic Policy Subcommittee of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on May 10, 2007, that the term adjudicated as a mental defective is both stigmatizing and incompatible with modern terminology used in the diagnosis and treatment of people with a mental illness.

 

No state official charged with carrying out the requirements of the Brady bill could possibly know what this means, as it is a term that has been obsolete for close to 40 years, Honberg explained to Congress. We have received emails and other communications in the past few weeks from people who are incredulous that such a term would still be used in federal law.

 

Whitehead explained the problem is intensifying as an increasing percentage of the U.S. military serving in Afghanistan have become disillusioned with Obama administration policy toward the war.

 

Ive had veterans returning from Afghanistan tell me that they passed by the opium fields and it shocked me that the U.S. government was helping the Afghans plant that stuff, Whitehead said.

 

Theres a lot of corruption in the Afghanistan government, passing around bags of cash to top officials, and our troops are beginning to ask, Why am I here?

 

He said of these veterans enlisted wanting to be a great soldier, but they are coming back disillusioned.

 

Im getting a lot of reports that soldiers are getting pronounced PSTD and theres nothing they can do about it, he said. Then they come home and the process continues. The NSA is targeting veterans, theres no doubt about it.

 

Whitehead said the technology is driving the show now at the NSA, with computer software identifying problematic phrases that target a person as a potential troublemaker.

 

He said that with the NSA is doing a trillion downloads a month, the surveillance is pervasive.

 

Anything digital is subject to government investigation, typically without the person having any knowledge it is happening, he said. If you want to go on Google and be anti-war, you are going to end up in a file and you are going to be subject to further investigation.

 

Whitehead warned that the telephone call interviewing him for this article was almost certainly being recorded by the NSA and that the contents would end up in a file both for him and for WND.

 

The United States is already in a police state, such that the only question is how we are going to deal with it, he stressed. With Bush, the surveillance state was beginning. Under Obama, the NSA has blossomed to a whole new level unimaginable in an era only a few years ago before this computer technology existed.

 

Whitehead told WND he was convinced Operation Vigilant Eagle was still in operation targeting military veterans as potentially dangerous right-wing extremists, even though the DHS, the Department of Defense and the FBI have dropped since 2009 any specific reference to the programs.

 

When the drones get here, another Obama program, the drones are going to be awesome, he warned.

 

The drones will have scanning devices that can fly over your home and grab all the digital data in the place where you live. The drones are going to up the ante, theres no doubt about it. The only question is whether this is still the United States of America. Theres nowhere to hide anymore.

 

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/troops-targeted-by-nsa-for-anti-obama-views/#0RKysbqxHYfzpeQb.99

 

 

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The NSA is systematically monitoring the Internet posts and telephone conversations of U.S. military returning from Afghanistan, according to a civil-liberties attorney.

 

The FBI and the Secret Service are showing up to request an interview to question specific Internet posts the veteran has placed on websites such as Facebook, explained attorney John Whitehead, founder of the Rutherford Institute.

 

Whitehead said the agencies are looking for anti-Obama views that can be interpreted to reflect psychological problems of sufficient seriousness to disqualify the veteran from ever owning a firearm.

 

Rutherford told WND credible sources within the National Security Agency have told him the NSA is downloading 1 trillion communications on the Internet per month, including posts to various websites, emails, instant message communications and texting messages.

 

As WND reported last week, Whitehead and the Rutherford Institute in a lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court in Richmond, Va., are representing Marine veteran Brandon Raub, 27, who was arrested by FBI and Secret Service agents for comments he made on Facebook expressing dissatisfaction with the present direction of the U.S. government.

 

Whitehead said his office has received numerous calls from U.S. military returning from Afghanistan with reports they are being visited by the FBI and Secret Service to ask questions about their Internet postings.

 

We are advising veterans being visited by the FBI or the Secret Service to take the Fifth Amendment rather than answer questions that might end up with a diagnosis of PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder, which goes into the veterans file and can be used in the future to prevent the veteran from purchasing a firearm, he said.

 

Whitehead said that in most of the cases, there isnt enough information to obtain a search warrant from a judge.

 

But if the veteran answers questions, he said, the Secret Service or the FBI might get a psychiatrist to visit with the vet for 10 or 15 minutes in the jail cell to acquire enough information to certify in front of a judge that the person should be placed in a civil commitment because of a psychological problem.

 

In February, Investors.com reported a complaint by Michael Connelly, executive director of the United States Justice Foundation, that veterans have been getting letters from the Veterans Administration informing them they have been declared mentally incompetent.

 

The vet must provide evidence to the contrary within 60 days. If the vet desires a hearing, he or she must inform the Veterans Administration within 30 days.

 

According to the provisions of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act any person receiving a determination of incompetency can be prevented from purchasing, receiving, owning, or transporting a firearm or ammunition.

 

Ronald S. Honberg, director of policy and legal affairs for the National Alliance on Mental Illness, testified before the Domestic Policy Subcommittee of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on May 10, 2007, that the term adjudicated as a mental defective is both stigmatizing and incompatible with modern terminology used in the diagnosis and treatment of people with a mental illness.

 

No state official charged with carrying out the requirements of the Brady bill could possibly know what this means, as it is a term that has been obsolete for close to 40 years, Honberg explained to Congress. We have received emails and other communications in the past few weeks from people who are incredulous that such a term would still be used in federal law.

 

Whitehead explained the problem is intensifying as an increasing percentage of the U.S. military serving in Afghanistan have become disillusioned with Obama administration policy toward the war.

 

Ive had veterans returning from Afghanistan tell me that they passed by the opium fields and it shocked me that the U.S. government was helping the Afghans plant that stuff, Whitehead said.

 

Theres a lot of corruption in the Afghanistan government, passing around bags of cash to top officials, and our troops are beginning to ask, Why am I here?

 

He said of these veterans enlisted wanting to be a great soldier, but they are coming back disillusioned.

 

Im getting a lot of reports that soldiers are getting pronounced PSTD and theres nothing they can do about it, he said. Then they come home and the process continues. The NSA is targeting veterans, theres no doubt about it.

 

Whitehead said the technology is driving the show now at the NSA, with computer software identifying problematic phrases that target a person as a potential troublemaker.

 

He said that with the NSA is doing a trillion downloads a month, the surveillance is pervasive.

 

Anything digital is subject to government investigation, typically without the person having any knowledge it is happening, he said. If you want to go on Google and be anti-war, you are going to end up in a file and you are going to be subject to further investigation.

 

Whitehead warned that the telephone call interviewing him for this article was almost certainly being recorded by the NSA and that the contents would end up in a file both for him and for WND.

 

The United States is already in a police state, such that the only question is how we are going to deal with it, he stressed. With Bush, the surveillance state was beginning. Under Obama, the NSA has blossomed to a whole new level unimaginable in an era only a few years ago before this computer technology existed.

 

Whitehead told WND he was convinced Operation Vigilant Eagle was still in operation targeting military veterans as potentially dangerous right-wing extremists, even though the DHS, the Department of Defense and the FBI have dropped since 2009 any specific reference to the programs.

 

When the drones get here, another Obama program, the drones are going to be awesome, he warned.

 

The drones will have scanning devices that can fly over your home and grab all the digital data in the place where you live. The drones are going to up the ante, theres no doubt about it. The only question is whether this is still the United States of America. Theres nowhere to hide anymore.

 

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/troops-targeted-by-nsa-for-anti-obama-views/#0RKysbqxHYfzpeQb.99

 

 

what a load of crap

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Ah! A left-tards masterful debate skills at work!!! ROFLMAO!

What would make you think there is any purpose in debate here, the cons have turned the forum into a joke by doing nothing but slinging racial taunts and horses--t, and declaring there is no room for debate, because they are flawless and can never be wrong. I think you could get more debate, by going to an elementary school, and arguing with the kids there, than you ever could by conversing with a radical fool con, you can't debate with a fool, well you can, but you could actually get more out of debating a f--king cabbage.

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The NSA is systematically monitoring the Internet posts and telephone conversations of U.S. military returning from Afghanistan, according to a civil-liberties attorney.

 

The FBI and the Secret Service are showing up to request an interview to question specific Internet posts the veteran has placed on websites such as Facebook, explained attorney John Whitehead, founder of the Rutherford Institute.

 

Whitehead said the agencies are looking for anti-Obama views that can be interpreted to reflect psychological problems of sufficient seriousness to disqualify the veteran from ever owning a firearm.

 

Rutherford told WND credible sources within the National Security Agency have told him the NSA is downloading 1 trillion communications on the Internet per month, including posts to various websites, emails, instant message communications and texting messages.

 

As WND reported last week, Whitehead and the Rutherford Institute in a lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court in Richmond, Va., are representing Marine veteran Brandon Raub, 27, who was arrested by FBI and Secret Service agents for comments he made on Facebook expressing dissatisfaction with the present direction of the U.S. government.

 

Whitehead said his office has received numerous calls from U.S. military returning from Afghanistan with reports they are being visited by the FBI and Secret Service to ask questions about their Internet postings.

 

We are advising veterans being visited by the FBI or the Secret Service to take the Fifth Amendment rather than answer questions that might end up with a diagnosis of PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder, which goes into the veterans file and can be used in the future to prevent the veteran from purchasing a firearm, he said.

 

Whitehead said that in most of the cases, there isnt enough information to obtain a search warrant from a judge.

 

But if the veteran answers questions, he said, the Secret Service or the FBI might get a psychiatrist to visit with the vet for 10 or 15 minutes in the jail cell to acquire enough information to certify in front of a judge that the person should be placed in a civil commitment because of a psychological problem.

 

In February, Investors.com reported a complaint by Michael Connelly, executive director of the United States Justice Foundation, that veterans have been getting letters from the Veterans Administration informing them they have been declared mentally incompetent.

 

The vet must provide evidence to the contrary within 60 days. If the vet desires a hearing, he or she must inform the Veterans Administration within 30 days.

 

According to the provisions of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act any person receiving a determination of incompetency can be prevented from purchasing, receiving, owning, or transporting a firearm or ammunition.

 

Ronald S. Honberg, director of policy and legal affairs for the National Alliance on Mental Illness, testified before the Domestic Policy Subcommittee of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on May 10, 2007, that the term adjudicated as a mental defective is both stigmatizing and incompatible with modern terminology used in the diagnosis and treatment of people with a mental illness.

 

No state official charged with carrying out the requirements of the Brady bill could possibly know what this means, as it is a term that has been obsolete for close to 40 years, Honberg explained to Congress. We have received emails and other communications in the past few weeks from people who are incredulous that such a term would still be used in federal law.

 

Whitehead explained the problem is intensifying as an increasing percentage of the U.S. military serving in Afghanistan have become disillusioned with Obama administration policy toward the war.

 

Ive had veterans returning from Afghanistan tell me that they passed by the opium fields and it shocked me that the U.S. government was helping the Afghans plant that stuff, Whitehead said.

 

Theres a lot of corruption in the Afghanistan government, passing around bags of cash to top officials, and our troops are beginning to ask, Why am I here?

 

He said of these veterans enlisted wanting to be a great soldier, but they are coming back disillusioned.

 

Im getting a lot of reports that soldiers are getting pronounced PSTD and theres nothing they can do about it, he said. Then they come home and the process continues. The NSA is targeting veterans, theres no doubt about it.

 

Whitehead said the technology is driving the show now at the NSA, with computer software identifying problematic phrases that target a person as a potential troublemaker.

 

He said that with the NSA is doing a trillion downloads a month, the surveillance is pervasive.

 

Anything digital is subject to government investigation, typically without the person having any knowledge it is happening, he said. If you want to go on Google and be anti-war, you are going to end up in a file and you are going to be subject to further investigation.

 

Whitehead warned that the telephone call interviewing him for this article was almost certainly being recorded by the NSA and that the contents would end up in a file both for him and for WND.

 

The United States is already in a police state, such that the only question is how we are going to deal with it, he stressed. With Bush, the surveillance state was beginning. Under Obama, the NSA has blossomed to a whole new level unimaginable in an era only a few years ago before this computer technology existed.

 

Whitehead told WND he was convinced Operation Vigilant Eagle was still in operation targeting military veterans as potentially dangerous right-wing extremists, even though the DHS, the Department of Defense and the FBI have dropped since 2009 any specific reference to the programs.

 

When the drones get here, another Obama program, the drones are going to be awesome, he warned.

 

The drones will have scanning devices that can fly over your home and grab all the digital data in the place where you live. The drones are going to up the ante, theres no doubt about it. The only question is whether this is still the United States of America. Theres nowhere to hide anymore.

 

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/troops-targeted-by-nsa-for-anti-obama-views/#0RKysbqxHYfzpeQb.99

 

 

 

To say the entire military "hates the president" is ignorant and snotty. They do no such thing. And even if it were so, it would make no difference -- that is, if the soldiers involved were serious when they swore to protect the United States. The United States is not one person.

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What would make you think there is any purpose in debate here, the cons have turned the forum into a joke by doing nothing but slinging racial taunts and horses--t, and declaring there is no room for debate, because they are flawless and can never be wrong. I think you could get more debate, by going to an elementary school, and arguing with the kids there, than you ever could by conversing with a radical fool con, you can't debate with a fool, well you can, but you could actually get more out of debating a f--king cabbage.

Fred: It's medical fact that those suffering with the mental disorder called liberalism don't have the capacity to reason and rely on emotion which prevents them from acknowledging facts. so how cant you have a fair debate with that?

 

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To say the entire military "hates the president" is ignorant and snotty. They do no such thing. And even if it were so, it would make no difference -- that is, if the soldiers involved were serious when they swore to protect the United States. The United States is not one person.

 

We don't, Lisa. The great majority of us lean conservative, but we don't hate the president. The only thing we hate is when we are used as a political tool, like with his sequestration, or Congress using us for political gains. The truth is, we've been cutting our budget for a few years now, redirecting most of what they give us to overseas operations and training. The sequestration is going to hurt us until we can free up the money previously allocated for that, but we're used to working smarter with less. Civilians have no use for us unless it's for a war. They don't realize what a deterrent we are and what assets we can bring to bear for things like disaster relief until we're actually there.

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We don't, Lisa. The great majority of us lean conservative, but we don't hate the president. The only thing we hate is when we are used as a political tool, like with his sequestration, or Congress using us for political gains. The truth is, we've been cutting our budget for a few years now, redirecting most of what they give us to overseas operations and training. The sequestration is going to hurt us until we can free up the money previously allocated for that, but we're used to working smarter with less. Civilians have no use for us unless it's for a war. They don't realize what a deterrent we are and what assets we can bring to bear for things like disaster relief until we're actually there.

 

Address this to Gun Nut. He says the military does in fact hate the president. Go on, tell him the above.

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To say the entire military "hates the president" is ignorant and snotty.

And where, oh where, was that said?

They do no such thing. And even if it were so, it would make no difference -- that is, if the soldiers involved were serious when they swore to protect the United States. The United States is not one person.

So you simply don't give a damn about what is happening to these returning vets? Do you not think the troops know a thing or two about what their CIC is up to? How do you think they reacted to leaving people to die when they are bound to never let that happen? They swore to protect the Constitution of the United States, which means its tenets, the people, and their rights.

 

 

Civilians have no use for us unless it's for a war. They don't realize what a deterrent we are and what assets we can bring to bear for things like disaster relief until we're actually there.

Conservative citizens don't "use" the military at all, with some exceptions of employment, but we do honor and respect every single thing the military means to all of us.

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Defending love and protecting hate is a true conflict of the same passion. "All is fair in love and war..." What are wars fought over? Rejected ideology.

 

How many societies are built upon "MY way or the highway."?

 

Let us stop this emotional blackmail of inverse philosophies playing reverse psychology, it only supplies a lesser of two evils to choose from in any social justification character matters and genders are worth less without a social agenda to save passionately as if the universe depends upon it.

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So if you disagree with Obama you have psychological problems? Fucken libs. Every lib should be lined up and shot.

You are living proof of psychological problems.

 

It reminds me of a bumper sticker years ago;

 

"Support mental health or I'll kill you!" :P

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And where, oh where, was that said?

In the title of this thread :blink:

 

 

So you simply don't give a damn about what is happening to these returning vets? Do you not think the troops know a thing or two about what their CIC is up to? How do you think they reacted to leaving people to die when they are bound to never let that happen? They swore to protect the Constitution of the United States, which means its tenets, the people, and their rights.

 

 

This country has treated its returning vets like cr*p ever since at least the Civil War, and you know it. Don't tell I me I don't give a damn about them, you b*stard. How they look at what their CIC is up to? Ever ask a cop how reliable eyewitnesses are? He'll tell you they aren't reliable at all, because we all see what we want to see. You want to see Obama doing bad things.

 

 

 

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We don't, Lisa. The great majority of us lean conservative, but we don't hate the president. The only thing we hate is when we are used as a political tool, like with his sequestration, or Congress using us for political gains. The truth is, we've been cutting our budget for a few years now, redirecting most of what they give us to overseas operations and training. The sequestration is going to hurt us until we can free up the money previously allocated for that, but we're used to working smarter with less. Civilians have no use for us unless it's for a war. They don't realize what a deterrent we are and what assets we can bring to bear for things like disaster relief until we're actually there.

 

 

 

 

Diaster relief???? You mean the National Guard not active duty soldiers

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Diaster relief???? You mean the National Guard not active duty soldiers

 

Shut up. You know damn well AC troops get involved as well. Quit playing the "I'm a weekend warrior and better than the AC" card. If you're too stupid to look it up or conveniently forgot, I'll post links.

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In the title of this thread :blink:

He DID NOT SAY the entire military hates Obama, Liza. Read it and weep.

 

This country has treated its returning vets like cr*p ever since at least the Civil War, and you know it.

1. No, it hasn't. Experience here. Yours is what?

 

2. This OP is about targeting vets to purposefully list them as incompetent to own guns. That's Obama.

 

Don't tell I me I don't give a damn about them, you b*stard.

I didn't say you don't give a damn about them, Liza. Read what I said and stop putting words in my mouth and others' mouths. If you can't read, have someone help you. I said you don't give a damn about this targeting that's going and I said that because all you can do is defend Obastard. So call me something else after you twist what I just said.

 

 

How they look at what their CIC is up to?

Are you high on something? I didn't say a word about "how" they look at what he's up to. I said they are fully aware of the doings he performs with returning vets and thus are not likely to be loving those doings much. Read, Lisa -read - slower, perhaps.

 

 

Ever ask a cop how reliable eyewitnesses are? He'll tell you they aren't reliable at all, because we all see what we want to see. You want to see Obama doing bad things.

1. I have no idea how your question and the reliability of witnesses relates to anything I've said. Are you denying that this is going on? LOL!

 

2. Quit putting words in my mouth. Why on earth would a vet want other vets to be targeted for incompetency findings? But you - YOU will defend Obama right in the face of those vets being targeted, thus what I said to start with.

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