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from ex-Navy F-18 Blue Angel flyer
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I would say every US fighter pilot, retired or on active duty, knows that Panetta and Dempsey both are full of crap when they said there was no time to send help to Benghazi . They claim it was a problem of "time/space." All my friends and I said, "Bullshit." We know they could have gotten F-16s there from Aviano. "Hands" Handley is a well-respected USAF fighter pilot. Here is his short resume and what he just wrote about Benghazi below that. If anything, Handley is pessimistic in his timeline of when F-16s could have reached Benghazi . I think they could have been airborne even sooner and turned quicker at Sig.


The decision to not try was not based on capability. We had the operational capability in every way.


I hope Handley's taxes are in order. His IRS audit is forthcoming.



Eagle Biography

Colonel Phil
Hands
Handley


Colonel Phil
Hands
Handley is credited with the highest speed air-to-air gun kill in the history of aerial combat. He flew operationally for all but 11 months of a 26-year career, in aircraft such as the F-86 Sabre, F-15 Eagle, and the C-130A Hercules. Additionally, he flew 275 combat missions during two tours in Southeast Asia in the F-4D and F-4E. His awards include 21 Air Medals, 3 Distinguished Flying Crosses, and the Silver Star.

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Betrayal in Benghazi

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> Phil
Hands
Handley

> Colonel, USAF (Ret.)

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> The combat code of the US Military is that we don
t abandon our dead or wounded on the battlefield. In US Air Force lingo, fighter pilots don
t run off and leave their wingmen. If one of our own is shot down, still alive and not yet in enemy captivity, we will either come to get him or die trying. Among America
s fighting forces, the calm, sure knowledge that such an irrevocable bond exists is priceless. Along with individual faith and personal grit, it is a sacred trust that has often sustained hope in the face of terribly long odds.

>

> The disgraceful abandonment of our Ambassador and those brave ex-SEALs who fought to their deaths to save others in that compound is nothing short of dereliction-of-duty. Additionally, the patently absurd cover-up scenario that was fabricated in the aftermath was an outright lie in an attempt to shield the President and the Secretary of State from responsibility.

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> It has been over eight months since the attack on our compound in Benghazi . The White House strategy, with the aid of a
lap dog press
has been to run out the clock before the truth is forthcoming. The recent testimonies of the three
whistle blowers
have reopened the subject and hopefully will lead to exposure and disgrace of those responsible for this embarrassing debacle.

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> It would appear that the most recent firewall which the Administration is counting on is the contention that there were simply no military assets that could be brought to bear in time to make a difference
mainly due to the unavailability of tanker support for fighter aircraft. This is simply BS, regardless how many supposed
experts
the Administration trot out to make such an assertion. The bottom line is that even if the closest asset capable of response was half-way around the world, you don
t just sit on your penguin ass and do nothing. The fact is that the closest asset was not half-way around the world, but as near as Aviano Air Base , Italy where two squadrons of F-16Cs are based. Consider the following scenario (all times Benghazi local):

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> When Hicks in Tripoli receives a call at
9:40 PM
from Ambassador Stevens informing him
Greg, we are under attack!
(his last words), he immediately notifies all agencies and prepares for the immediate initiation of an existing
Emergency Response Plan.
At AFRICON, General Carter Ham attempts to mount a rescue effort, but is told to
stand down.
By
10:30 PM
an unarmed drone is overhead the compound and streaming live feed to various Command and Control Agencies
and everyone watching that feed knew damn well what was going on. At
11:30 PM
Woods, Doherty and five others leave Tripoli, arriving in Benghazi at
1:30 AM on Wednesday
morning, where they hold off the attacking mob from the roof of the compound until they are killed by a mortar direct hit at
4:00 AM
.

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> So nothing could have been done, eh? Nonsense. If one assumes that tanker support really was not available
what about this:

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When at
10:00 PM
AFRICON alerts the 31st TFW Command Post in Aviano Air Base, Italy of the attack, the Wing Commander orders preparation for the launch of two F-16s and advises the Command Post at NAS Sigonella to prepare for hot pit refueling and quick turn of the jets.

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By
11:30 PM
, two F-16Cs with drop tanks and each armed with five hundred 20 MM rounds are airborne. Flying at 0.92 mach they will cover the 522 nautical miles directly to NAS Sigonella in 1.08 hours.

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While in-route, the flight lead is informed of the tactical situation, rules of engagement, and radio frequencies to use.

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The jets depart Sigonella at
1:10 AM
with full fuel load and cover the 377 nautical miles directly to Benghazi in 0.8 hours, arriving at
1:50 AM
which would be 20 minutes after the arrival of Woods, Doherty and their team.

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Providing that the two F-16s initial pass over the mob, in full afterburner at 200 feet and 550 knots did not stop the attack in its tracks, only a few well placed strafing runs on targets of opportunity would assuredly do the trick.

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Were the F-16s fuel state insufficient to recover at Sigonelli after jettisoning their external drop tanks, they could easily do so at Tripoli International Airport , only one-half hour away.

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As for those hand-wringing naysayers who would worry about IFR clearances, border crossing authority, collateral damage, landing rights, political correctness and dozens of other reasons not to act
screw them. It is high time that our
leadership
get their priorities straight and put America
s interests first.

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> The end result would be that Woods and Doherty would be alive. Dozens in the attacking rabble would be rendezvousing with
72 virgins
��
and a clear message would have been sent to the next worthless POS terrorist contemplating an attack on Americans that it is not really a good idea to
tug on Superman
s cape.

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> Of course all this would depend upon a Commander In Chief that was more concerned with saving the lives of those he put in harm
s way than getting his crew rest for a campaign fund raising event in Las Vegas the next day. As well as a Secretary of State that actually understood
What difference did it make?
, or a Secretary of Defense whose immediate response was not to the effect that
One of the military tenants is that you don
t commit assets until you fully understand the tactical situation.
Was he not watching a live feed from the unarmed drone
and he didn
t understand the tactical situation? YGBSM!

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> Ultimately it comes down to the question of who give that order to
stand down?
Whoever that coward turns out to be should be exposed, removed from office, and face criminal charges for dereliction of duty. The combat forces of the Untied States of America deserve leadership that really does
have their back
when the chips are down.

 

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I've said all along that the claim we couldn't get planes/people there was a lie. Sigonella is a major base on the Island of Sicily and easily within reach of Benghazi.

Part of the force assigned there are refueling planes.

 

We could have sent fighters, helicopters or jump planes and supported them with AWACs and refuelers out of Sigonella.

Whenever some Administration person says "we couldn't get anyone there in time", they are lying.

 

And don't forget that now there is reporting that this entire event was staged to grab Stevens for a prisoner exchange, and that he may have still been alive when he was dragged to the al Qaeda run hospital.

These reports have been around for quite some time now, but the Administration "will neither confirm or deny".

 

 

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Apparently Cons haven't got the memo that this invented furor of theirs bled out a month ago.

 

Hint - try charging the paddles to 300, maybe you can get a heartbeat.

Another liberal who thinks they can ignore news that doesn't suit them, and it will go away.

Hasn't worked for Benghazi, hasn't worked for the IRS, hasn't worked for the News Agencies or the NSA...

 

This has made Obama a Lame Duck faster than any President who has won a 2nd term.

Sorry, no agenda items for you.

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We all know you know more than our military and CIA. Wow you're great.

Idiot.

I only need to know more than you. Sadly, not a high hurdle, but one I enjoy stepping on as I go over.

Now, back on your knees where you're comfortable.

 

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I only need to know more than you. Sadly, not a high hurdle, but one I enjoy stepping on as I go over.

Now, back on your knees where you're comfortable.

You don't know sh-it. That's the point. You just make up lies and run with it....as with this topic that has been [proven you are dead wrong.

Plus...it's a poor comeback for your hallucinations of yours that you think you know more than our military and CIA.

 

we know you're getting way frustrated with not getting your way with this manufactured crisis.

Must be tough on you.

 

Just like one of our chiefs of staffs said," Anyone who thinks we could have gotten to Benghazi in such a short time period has no idea how the military works."

But in Goofball's imaginary world.....a plane made of roses and puppydog tails could have magically appeared to pick up everyone and taken them to safety.

 

I only need to know more than you.

 

Translation: I have no idea what the fu-ck I'm talking about so I'll go for the easy jab.

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barry has committed treason by letting our people die there, c'mon Congress do your job and impeach his sorry ass.

You have committed treason by ignorantly slandering our elected leader.

 

Obama....can't micromanage EVERY US force and agency everywhere on a short notice 24/7 basis. If The Air Force says...got no tanker ready...then what? If congress cuts funds for security...then what? If a CIA outpost...overlooks the very bad guys who are local...and will attack...then what? Diplomatic procedures are that the HOST nation is responsible for security outside the compound. Embassies do have some marines and are designed to be defendable...but...this was not an EMBASSY ...more like a house in the suburbs. The protection...in part...was 3 or 4 Libyans who got overpowered. Backup was a rather amateur local militia that needed time to get moving and gathered.

 

Diplomatically....us doing an airstrike at night with jet fighters in the suburbs of a city? That's a bit extreme...IF you can do it. An F-16 i9s not designed to blast a couple dozen bad guys who are VERY near the good guys.

 

And SO......for crass partisan reasons there's a whole DOGPILE of real facts,false facts,wild guesses...what ifs...and there's the White House, the US Military command,the State Dept,the CIA and the various friendly and unfriendly Libyans all in the mix.

 

Just sorting out FACTS...in this...when the best witnesses...are dead...is tough,but the whole matter is getting polluted by political propaganda,by people who want to GAIN something and NOT get facts. Many facts...may never be known.

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You have committed treason by ignorantly slandering our elected leader.

 

Obama....can't micromanage EVERY US force and agency everywhere on a short notice 24/7 basis. If The Air Force says...got no tanker ready...then what? If congress cuts funds for security...then what? If a CIA outpost...overlooks the very bad guys who are local...and will attack...then what? Diplomatic procedures are that the HOST nation is responsible for security outside the compound. Embassies do have some marines and are designed to be defendable...but...this was not an EMBASSY ...more like a house in the suburbs. The protection...in part...was 3 or 4 Libyans who got overpowered. Backup was a rather amateur local militia that needed time to get moving and gathered.

 

Diplomatically....us doing an airstrike at night with jet fighters in the suburbs of a city? That's a bit extreme...IF you can do it. An F-16 i9s not designed to blast a couple dozen bad guys who are VERY near the good guys.

 

And SO......for crass partisan reasons there's a whole DOGPILE of real facts,false facts,wild guesses...what ifs...and there's the White House, the US Military command,the State Dept,the CIA and the various friendly and unfriendly Libyans all in the mix.

 

Just sorting out FACTS...in this...when the best witnesses...are dead...is tough,but the whole matter is getting polluted by political propaganda,by people who want to GAIN something and NOT get facts. Many facts...may never be known.

you should realize that you are addressing a guy that needs to have the drool wiped from his chin

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We all know you know more than our military and CIA. Wow you're great.

Idiot.

Even by our low local standards....poor Golfball has a FETISH...for finding the most absurd lie...then "re-interpreting it into something worse. I'd think...just by the odds...someday he gets a few actual facts. Several Rabid Right types...SOMETIMES have some real facts...even if their ability to draw a conclusion is bad.

 

Having an Apache helicopter handy....would have been a game changer. F-16's? That might easily have gone badly...IF...we could get some there in time. The folks who DO the f-16's,said they were not prepared to do it in the needed time frame.

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At night.

 

In the middle of a city.

 

I'm no combat pilot, but the people who think that such a plan would have had a happy ending are crazy.

 

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Full afterburner at 550 kt? Okay...but a thing with Jihad types is that becoming a MARTYR is "cool" so...they don't always BLUFF easily. Sending...short prep time....jets NOT really made for precise strafing...at NIGHT to do a strike near OUR people and a lot of civilians? Really? Were that DO-Able...it easily could have made matters worse.

 

Why was Stevens THERE? It was the aniversery of 9/11, A Anti-Muslim video inflamed emotions. There's Pro-Khadafy and pro Al Qaeda types out there....The Tripoli Embassy...is secure. The outpost in Bengazi...is not.

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You don't know sh-it. That's the point. You just make up lies and run with it....as with this topic that has been [proven you are dead wrong.

Plus...it's a poor comeback for your hallucinations of yours that you think you know more than our military and CIA.

 

we know you're getting way frustrated with not getting your way with this manufactured crisis.

Must be tough on you.

 

Just like one of our chiefs of staffs said," Anyone who thinks we could have gotten to Benghazi in such a short time period has no idea how the military works."

But in Goofball's imaginary world.....a plane made of roses and puppydog tails could have magically appeared to pick up everyone and taken them to safety.

 

 

Translation: I have no idea what the fu-ck I'm talking about so I'll go for the easy jab.

Yes, a chief of staff often refutes what a President says. :rolleyes:

 

Do you know how far it is from Sigonella to Benghazi?

No.

Do you know what kinds of aircraft are housed at Sigonella, and what they are used for?

No.

 

You know nothing except how to ridicule people you disagree with.

In thread after thread you show that you are incapable of debating facts, so you do THIS.

 

 

Full afterburner at 550 kt? Okay...but a thing with Jihad types is that becoming a MARTYR is "cool" so...they don't always BLUFF easily. Sending...short prep time....jets NOT really made for precise strafing...at NIGHT to do a strike near OUR people and a lot of civilians? Really? Were that DO-Able...it easily could have made matters worse.

 

Why was Stevens THERE? It was the aniversery of 9/11, A Anti-Muslim video inflamed emotions. There's Pro-Khadafy and pro Al Qaeda types out there....The Tripoli Embassy...is secure. The outpost in Bengazi...is not.

Wait, are you really claiming that jets are incapable of providing close air support?

Did you even know the term "close air support" existed?

 

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