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Heavens above, and from all high, it's as we imagined, a conspiracy to wax complete big government control. The left was as we always knew it would conspire to disarm us and rob us of our precious bodily fluids. The army of IRS agents got your name and your phone numbers, You're as good as tagged, they want to roll over all your finances.

 

They want to constrict your libertarian freedoms, make you join the union, against your will.

Doesn't the light bulb go off in your head?

 

Your brain has been flogged by leftist malfeasance, innuendo, pollyannish dribble. Heavens above,

over regulation is dismantling your christian ability as you know it to be with PC.

 

They have full control of the pentagon now and it's only a matter of time before they come for your guns.

 

The EPA is code for environmentalism. Over regulation is neutering our ability to rule over our god given dominion.

 

They've substituted Jesus Christ for Deepak Chopra, FOX News for NPR.

 

Well not me, I won't give in to all of their contempt for God.

 

Michelle is strong and alive. Secretly she is off the grid working for the American Enterprise Institute.

Her and colleagues like Glenn Beck will never give up the fight, rest assured my angels.

Stay thirsty and crazy my friends.

 

 

Peace!

 

 

 

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I feel it is foolish to say that liberals promote atheism. I feel that they are just smart when it comes to religion. It is not always the wisest choice to mix politics and religion. I always say that I like pickles and ice cream, but I don't dip my pickles in my ice cream. I am a die hard democrat and I serve as a sunday school teacher. And look at JFK, he was a strong Catholic. I just think democrats are cautious when it comes to religion, and don't force it down your throat like those crazy right wingers.

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I feel it is foolish to say that liberals promote atheism. I feel that they are just smart when it comes to religion. It is not always the wisest choice to mix politics and religion. I always say that I like pickles and ice cream, but I don't dip my pickles in my ice cream. I am a die hard democrat and I serve as a sunday school teacher. And look at JFK, he was a strong Catholic. I just think democrats are cautious when it comes to religion, and don't force it down your throat like those crazy right wingers.

barn is a master of what I like to call "poetic sarcasm"...read between the lines and find the real meaning

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Posted · Hidden by Chuck!, June 7, 2013 - non Lib
Hidden by Chuck!, June 7, 2013 - non Lib

Liberals are a strange bunch. They can believe in an inept Chicago organizer that promised HOPE and CHANGE, elect him leader of the free world. Watch him ruin our country financially, make us the laughing stock around the globe, shit on our constitution, bug our phones but they don't believe in a power greater then themselves. Hmmm I thank God every day I am a conservative.

 

GOD GUNS AND GLORY...........

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lib·er·al

/ˈlib(ə)rəl/
Adjective

Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional value



You must understand, Mr. TheOldBarn, by definition liberals are open to new behavior or opinions, which is not exactly "conspiring against religion" or "taking away your guns" as you seem to be implying. In my country, guns aren't so easily obtainable and there is very little controversy over gun politics. I don't really care whether you have guns or not, I'm sure most people just don't want the wrong people having them and my country seems to have handled this very well since I'm well alive and have never been shot at, which is something sadly many can't say in the States.

As for separation of church and state, do you really want the rest of the world looking at your country as the Christian opposite of Iran or any theocratic dictatorship? Afghanistan is fairly well armed and religious. From my point of view, liberals and secularists seem to be perhaps the most important element preventing the States from degrading into a violent and chaotic sectarian mess... There's a reason the founding fathers created a secular nation based on freedom and democracy rather than theocratic rule, perhaps you ought to look into that and learn more about your own country.

Edit: I might want to add, needlessly perhaps, that "open to new behavior or opinions" obviously entails the reasoning behind it; if you're to provide sound evidence to support your claim in the existence of X deity, I'll be happy to bite, because that's what being open to new behavior and opinions is. In the opposite scenario, had I been conservative, I'd never listen in the first place, because being open-minded would not be in my interest.
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Dear Alex007 - 152, you must be a spy. I wasn't on the straight and narrow here with my sarcasm. I'm a Liberal you see. No not a vowed expat of the spiritual word of God. The word, is here, now, always.... I like secular restraint, or the idea of freedom of religion.

I don't believe what I was rattling off, I was going off here as though I was, in an effort to pigeonhole some of the ludicrous nonsense that's being said from the far right.

I actually like what you wrote because I believe it gives voice to how many, and from all walks of life, truly do feel. Ideally, the only thing that seems true these days is that we all feel way too small, not capable of making change in the right direction real.

Put yourself in others shoes - then realize that we are all of us, our brothers keeper.

There's a little bit of everything in our views. I don't like ideology --- I too was a bit on the conservative side, closed off once too.

My posts are about starting discussions. So I appreciate what you wrote!

 

Peace!

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I feel it is foolish to say that liberals promote atheism. I feel that they are just smart when it comes to religion. It is not always the wisest choice to mix politics and religion. I always say that I like pickles and ice cream, but I don't dip my pickles in my ice cream. I am a die hard democrat and I serve as a sunday school teacher. And look at JFK, he was a strong Catholic. I just think democrats are cautious when it comes to religion, and don't force it down your throat like those crazy right wingers.

As a practicing Heretic...I find it COMICAL that the few REAL Atheists get much notice. AGNOSTICS...are common. ATHEiSTS...are not...ATHEIST is a BELIEVER that there's NO deity. Agnostic is...I don't know or I don't CARE...and that's rather rational. NOT "Believing" in believing....is Agnostic. I Probably am that..but I like to tell the religion folks I believe Joe Montana is my deity....that makes them freak out.

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lib·er·al

/ˈlib(ə)rəl/
Adjective

Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional value

 

You must understand, Mr. TheOldBarn, by definition liberals are open to new behavior or opinions, which is not exactly "conspiring against religion" or "taking away your guns" as you seem to be implying. In my country, guns aren't so easily obtainable and there is very little controversy over gun politics. I don't really care whether you have guns or not, I'm sure most people just don't want the wrong people having them and my country seems to have handled this very well since I'm well alive and have never been shot at, which is something sadly many can't say in the States.

 

As for separation of church and state, do you really want the rest of the world looking at your country as the Christian opposite of Iran or any theocratic dictatorship? Afghanistan is fairly well armed and religious. From my point of view, liberals and secularists seem to be perhaps the most important element preventing the States from degrading into a violent and chaotic sectarian mess... There's a reason the founding fathers created a secular nation based on freedom and democracy rather than theocratic rule, perhaps you ought to look into that and learn more about your own country.

 

Edit: I might want to add, needlessly perhaps, that "open to new behavior or opinions" obviously entails the reasoning behind it; if you're to provide sound evidence to support your claim in the existence of X deity, I'll be happy to bite, because that's what being open to new behavior and opinions is. In the opposite scenario, had I been conservative, I'd never listen in the first place, because being open-minded would not be in my interest.

 

If you visit the "No Holds" area...you encounter our lunatic fringe...a delirious degenerate rabblr seldom seen in REAL life. They DO infest the internet. Stupid Liars who cling to irrational cult thinking if they think at all....are like tapeworms this nation can't quite be rid of. They are PAWNS...tools of a few dozen predatory...greedy...billionaires who have NO human qualities BUT can FOOL....the fools. Sadly...we have fools. We need to find better ways to keep them doing harmless nonsense.

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As a practicing Heretic...I find it COMICAL that the few REAL Atheists get much notice. AGNOSTICS...are common. ATHEiSTS...are not...ATHEIST is a BELIEVER that there's NO deity. Agnostic is...I don't know or I don't CARE...and that's rather rational. NOT "Believing" in believing....is Agnostic. I Probably am that..but I like to tell the religion folks I believe Joe Montana is my deity....that makes them freak out.

When pressed by various Christians & other believers, I've always found it convenient to profess allegiance to the "Gods Of Baseball". (when I was a pitcher, I DID occasionally pray to them!)

It is far easier than explaining what a Universalist Unitarian is........... hehehe

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When pressed by various Christians & other believers, I've always found it convenient to profess allegiance to the "Gods Of Baseball". (when I was a pitcher, I DID occasionally pray to them!)

It is far easier than explaining what a Universalist Unitarian is........... hehehe

brilliant!

 

I need to remember that the next time I have to shoo one off my porch...on a Saturday...at 8am!!!

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While I am not an athiest, niether am I a fire breathing religous freak. Do I go to church on Sundays? No. Do I feel I have a relationship with my interpretation of God? Yes. I used to go to church, but one day I looked around and what I saw was a bunch of people repeating the same old lines without even really thinking about it. Most of them looked bored, I know I was. One guy kept looking at his watch. Must have been a big game on that day.

 

Needless to say, I left church that day and never looked back. When I feel the need to pray I do so in my own home. I'm sure that God doesn't have a problem with that. Also my interpretation of God may not be what the Catholic church recognizes as the true God. My God is not infallible. He makes mistakes. I think anyone can just look around to see that.

 

When I see something that I feel God messed up on I call him on it. Does he listen? I don't know.

 

Sometimes I think he's just given up on us. It seems that no matter what religion comes down the pike, people will just bend and twist it to fit their own agenda, so why should he care anymore? No matter what he gives us we screw it up.

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While I am not an athiest, niether am I a fire breathing religous freak. Do I go to church on Sundays? No. Do I feel I have a relationship with my interpretation of God? Yes. I used to go to church, but one day I looked around and what I saw was a bunch of people repeating the same old lines without even really thinking about it. Most of them looked bored, I know I was. One guy kept looking at his watch. Must have been a big game on that day.

 

Needless to say, I left church that day and never looked back. When I feel the need to pray I do so in my own home. I'm sure that God doesn't have a problem with that. Also my interpretation of God may not be what the Catholic church recognizes as the true God. My God is not infallible. He makes mistakes. I think anyone can just look around to see that.

 

When I see something that I feel God messed up on I call him on it. Does he listen? I don't know.

 

Sometimes I think he's just given up on us. It seems that no matter what religion comes down the pike, people will just bend and twist it to fit their own agenda, so why should he care anymore? No matter what he gives us we screw it up.

Agnosticism:

 

is the view that the existence or non-existence of any deity is unknown and possibly unknowable. More specifically, agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, as well as other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown and (so far as can be judged) unknowable.

 

 

does this description fit you?

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Agnosticism:

 

is the view that the existence or non-existence of any deity is unknown and possibly unknowable. More specifically, agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, as well as other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown and (so far as can be judged) unknowable.

 

 

does this description fit you?

 

I'm not sure. I DO believe that there is a God, I'm just not so sure that his central focus is mankind. I also think organized religion is the opiate of the masses. I no longer follow any one religion, but rather embrace philosophies from different religions. For instance, along with many ( not all ) of the Judeo / christian precepts, I also lean towards the Hindu concept of reincarnation. Is that part of Agnosticism?

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I'm not sure. I DO believe that there is a God, I'm just not so sure that his central focus is mankind. I also think organized religion is the opiate of the masses. I no longer follow any one religion, but rather embrace philosophies from different religions. For instance, along with many ( not all ) of the Judeo / christian precepts, I also lean towards the Hindu concept of reincarnation. Is that part of Agnosticism?

naw not really...agnosticism is all about not knowing one way or the other and not caring either way.

 

perhaps you should start your own religion...you get tax exempt status, a pointy hat, and if you do it right...lots of chicks!!

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Dear Alex007 - 152, you must be a spy. I wasn't on the straight and narrow here with my sarcasm. I'm a Liberal you see. No not a vowed expat of the spiritual word of God. The word, is here, now, always.... I like secular restraint, or the idea of freedom of religion.

I don't believe what I was rattling off, I was going off here as though I was, in an effort to pigeonhole some of the ludicrous nonsense that's being said from the far right.

I actually like what you wrote because I believe it gives voice to how many, and from all walks of life, truly do feel. Ideally, the only thing that seems true these days is that we all feel way too small, not capable of making change in the right direction real.

Put yourself in others shoes - then realize that we are all of us, our brothers keeper.

There's a little bit of everything in our views. I don't like ideology --- I too was a bit on the conservative side, closed off once too.

My posts are about starting discussions. So I appreciate what you wrote!

 

Peace!

I appreciate that, and I feel obliged to admit my sarcasm senses weren't tingling, I suppose I could learn from you? Notwithstanding the sarcasm, I meant what I said, so whoever actually stands by your (albeit) sarcastic comment is most welcome to feel addressed.

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If you visit the "No Holds" area...you encounter our lunatic fringe...a delirious degenerate rabblr seldom seen in REAL life. They DO infest the internet. Stupid Liars who cling to irrational cult thinking if they think at all....are like tapeworms this nation can't quite be rid of. They are PAWNS...tools of a few dozen predatory...greedy...billionaires who have NO human qualities BUT can FOOL....the fools. Sadly...we have fools. We need to find better ways to keep them doing harmless nonsense.

I suppose at the other hand, having overly religious/conservative people is also partially what seperates us from opressed countries; we don't lock people up with different convictions unlike how they do in some parts of the world. I'll check it out but I doubt I'll be surprised much...

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I suppose at the other hand, having overly religious/conservative people is also partially what seperates us from opressed countries; we don't lock people up with different convictions unlike how they do in some parts of the world. I'll check it out but I doubt I'll be surprised much...

 

I was sort of pointing out that the idea of Liberalism has been broken down by nonsensical propaganda from the far right for a while now. The view that Liberals are anti-religious or an all agnostic-team. Or that they are a purely socialistic bureaucratic fringe who likes to keep the people and business down, so don't trust big government/ or any elected leader, is a far-right nonsensical message which helps hold the far rights appeal to religious folks or the less informed out of touch hordes/ you know, along with a lot of other drool about liberals being all PC and anti-family... Yeah, those Lib's are all pro big humongous government types who think the government owes them this or that/ or at least they think that somebody does --- the opposite of working hard and earning prosperity the old fashioned way - completely on your own.

 

The Liberal isn't what I describe below, but Liberals do make fun of themselves, and not all of those who are avowed or so-called liberals are sane - no there's nuance or foolhardy types in all misguided or self-avowed persuasions.

The competition to be more Liberal: I'm more lefty then him because I own a Prius. So what, I don't own a car I bike. So what, I'm a vegan as well as a man trapped in a woman's body who happens to be Lesbian --- So what, I'm an Atheist who also completely believes in communism. ( neither here is a Liberal, it's just an ongoing slant on Liberalism... we all get the idea.)

 

It goes on and on --- PETA, Tree Lovers, Anti-American's, it's such a long list, so instead they use the L word to group them all together. It's easier that way. Then they say, the Liberal Media - don't read it or listen to NPR because they want to brainwash ya...

 

I'm a Liberal and I sort of believe as the poet W.S Merwin said once (not a quote but similar to what he meant), that we can't logically describe our world or beauty or what is if there was this word we use to describe a higher power. Could you accurately describe what coffee taste like to someone who never tasted it? Life isn't linear but there are good things humanist have in common with religious folks.

 

I've been fooled and I suspect others have been too. There's all this nonsense really that makes people agitated and segregated, and progress always seems to be one step forward, two steps back.

 

Peace!

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I feel it is foolish to say that liberals promote atheism. I feel that they are just smart when it comes to religion. It is not always the wisest choice to mix politics and religion. I always say that I like pickles and ice cream, but I don't dip my pickles in my ice cream. I am a die hard democrat and I serve as a sunday school teacher. And look at JFK, he was a strong Catholic. I just think democrats are cautious when it comes to religion, and don't force it down your throat like those crazy right wingers.

Old Barn was of course...being sarcastic. My ancestors cane to Pennsylvania 300 yr ago...refugees from religious persecution in Europe.

We don't need a Christian Taliban. Freedom OF religion has to include freedom FROM it also. We have a Church-State separation....and now most advanced nations have followed our lead.

 

I get amused how often people confuse Atheist and Agnostic. There's a LOT of Agnostics as that includes the "undecided" as well as the many who "Do not Believe in BELIEVING" Atheist IS a Belief..a commitment to belief in an ABSENCE of ANY kind of God. That is ALSO a Leap Of Faith. You can't PROVE a God exists...or does NOT exist. Thus...you CHOSE to Believe. You also...can NOT choose either way. Then ...you are an AGNOSTIC and not an Atheist.

 

I believe the UNIVERSE is eternal....always was and goes through cycles . It explodes...implodes and repeats ...FOREVER.

If you reverse engineer the Universe as it seems to be...the Linear,One Way "Big Bang does not WORK unless the most elemental laws of Physics...are not QUITE laws...but have big exceptions.

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Posted · Hidden by Chuck!, July 27, 2013 - unacceptable user name
Hidden by Chuck!, July 27, 2013 - unacceptable user name

I was brought up as a liberal feminist atheist. I don't "believe" there is no god. I simply refuse to believe anything without reasonable proof. There is no reasonable proof of the supernatural, so I remain unconvinced. Faith is for the blind, the gullible and people who will take comfort in anything that purports to give them "solid" answers.

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