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The anti gun lobby has become way too powerful in this country. Our lawmakers need to grow a backbone and stop being pushed around by special interest groups, Why is there a problem with extended background checks, we don't need military weapons in the streets killing children either. The politicians are not going to do anything about gun violence so it is up to the people.

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It basically boils down to too many rural democrat congress critter unwilling to lose their job for a feel good won't solve the problem piece of legistlation.

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Yeah, the "assault weapons" ban was mainly a symbolic gesture that many congress persons were not willing to lose their jobs over.

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Because they are all a binch of cowards. We now know that it was a fact that if the old assault weapons ban had been in effect, that the gun that Adam Lanza used to slaughter 20 babies, and six adults, would have been on that list of banned weapons, and his poor excuse for a mother would not have been able to legally buy it. They have literally found an arsenal in his house, and even though his mother had no criminal record, the woman herself was a clearly unstable woman, whose own sister in law described as a doomsday prepper.

 

The NRA has to be put down, because it is literally running this country, and has bought off most of our politicians. I wonder how those people look at their kids at night, and not feel guilty, but then these are people who sold their black souls for the almighty NRA dollar a long time ago, so their own children have become secondary. I am also so sick and tired of the minority in this country of gun nuts, who are allowed to put all of our lives in danger, every time we leave our homes. Our 2nd Amendment, CLEARLY contains the words "WELL REGULATED", which only a fool would say those two words themselves do not give the government the right to regulate guns. My God, when the Constitution was written, the only guns around were muskets, and now these fools think they have the right to own any arm. What is next with these people, rocket launchers in every home?

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I'm sorry but you are just plain wrong. Connecticut's current assault weapons ban, in effect since 1993 is a mirror image of the 1994 federal assault weapons ban. The weapon Adam Lanza used was not banned under the federal law.

 

"A well regulated militia" isn't the right, the right is to " keep and bear arms", and that right shall not be infringed.

 

Infringed- act so as to limit or undermine; encroach on.

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Posted · Hidden by lostphoenix, March 29, 2013 - Non liberal/ Troll
Hidden by lostphoenix, March 29, 2013 - Non liberal/ Troll

The same kakistocratic government that ships the drugs in, starts all the un-constitutional wars, is behind 99% of the false-flags and knows that prohibition didn't work for alcohol back in the 1930s is actually going to do something about modern gun violence.

 

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

 

Grow up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Study history...... :mellow:

 

Live in the real world. :glare:

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Hopefully, an amendment that includes the assault weapons ban will pass. We need to ban assault weapons, I don't even know why it's being debated.

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i suggest that all of you attend a gun show, you have now idea the extent of the problem, assault guns withstanding. You can buy an AK-47 for under 1,000 dollars now at any gunshow in America while standing in line to get into a gun show with, no I.D. no anything just cash ! The 30 round ban did not stop any importation of these clips just pushed the price up.

I think the only thing all of these killers had in common is that they were crazy, everyone knew they were crazy but no one did anything about it. Why ? because Reagan defunded the mental institutions in the eighties but nobodies debating that, Why? because that is an expensive fix. We can outlaw this gun and that gun, but the facts show that the 22 pistol kills more people than any other gun in the U.S. .But we can't outlaw crazy.

Until we are willing to confront all of this issue there is no one magic bullet to cure mass murders in the U.S., ask yourself why Canada does not have this problem, they have as many guns as the U.S. per capita and no mass murders to speak of.

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Hopefully, an amendment that includes the assault weapons ban will pass. We need to ban assault weapons, I don't even know why it's being debated.

This is a technical issue. Can you please define in detail what an assault weapon is.

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I am seeing that a lot of the folks who are pro gun control are the most ignorant about guns in general. That is not an insult but it would pay many of you to be more educated on the subject.

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I am seeing that a lot of the folks who are pro gun control are the most ignorant about guns in general. That is not an insult but it would pay many of you to be more educated on the subject.

what is there to be educated on?

 

a gun in the wrong hands is dangerous at best.

 

am I wrong?

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what is there to be educated on?

 

a gun in the wrong hands is dangerous at best.

 

am I wrong?

The issue is not that I disagree with your statement but the solutions for it. Imagine that there is a debate over porn on the internet and the easy access to it by young people. Imagine arguing with an 80 year old woman/man that has never seen the internet nor porn and insists that the internet is only in existance for younger kids to have access to porn and therefore needs banned/controlled/whatever. How do you have a productive conversation with that old person and generate any solutions? Most people screaming for gun control know little to nothing about guns and I don't even know how to approach them to educate them or have a productive discussion. It is like trying to explain to the old person that the inernet was not created solely for boys to look at porn. I read so many of the posts like a few in this thread and just shake my head in disbelief. I don't even know how to respond.

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The issue is not that I disagree with your statement but the solutions for it. Imagine that there is a debate over porn on the internet and the easy access to it by young people. Imagine arguing with an 80 year old woman/man that has never seen the internet nor porn and insists that the internet is only in existance for younger kids to have access to porn and therefore needs banned/controlled/whatever. How do you have a productive conversation with that old person and generate any solutions? Most people screaming for gun control know little to nothing about guns and I don't even know how to approach them to educate them or have a productive discussion. It is like trying to explain to the old person that the inernet was not created solely for boys to look at porn. I read so many of the posts like a few in this thread and just shake my head in disbelief. I don't even know how to respond.

I am a realist

the guns are not going away...probably none of them

any "solution" this cluster-fuk of a congress comes up with, will be laughable at best

 

now

 

lets say (for giggles) they did issue a all out ban on every gun... what would that accomplish?

 

the mexican cartels would be stringing up pinata's and drinking all night to celebrate all the extra money they would get supplying these now illegal guns to every paranoid person we have in america...and there are lots!

 

the very best thing government bans do is create black markets.

 

so what do we do?

hell I dunno...buy kevlar i guess

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I am not sure what a good solution is. I do know that, generally speaking, reactionary bans and legislation supported by those who know little about guns does nothing but limit the rights and privileges of those who will obey the law. The best solution I can come up with is harsher penalties for those who commit crimes with guns. The problem with bans and such is the total number of guns in the US. No matter what the law, if someone wants a gun they can get it and no new law will stop them. As you said, bans only generate black markets and exacerbate the problem. I just get tired of hearing about loopholes and banning one type of firearm will solve all of the problems. Or that ten rounds in a magazine is safe but eleven rounds makes it a WMD. These "solutions" are often foolish and is often the equivalent of trying to limit the capacity of a car's gas tank to prevent DUI's. We tend to default to experts and those educated on a particular subject for solutions to a problem but with guns, it seems everyone is an "expert".

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Posted · Hidden by lostphoenix, April 3, 2013 - Non liberal
Hidden by lostphoenix, April 3, 2013 - Non liberal

Hopefully, an amendment that includes the assault weapons ban will pass. We need to ban assault weapons, I don't even know why it's being debated.

Are you a troll or just really that uneducated ?

 

what is there to be educated on?

 

a gun in the wrong hands is dangerous at best.

 

am I wrong?

Yes but this is why you keep guns in the hands of the righteous.

 

History proves it......

 

 

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control and from 1929 to 1953,

about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded

up and exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million

Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were r ounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of

13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were

rounded up and exterminated.

------------------------------

China established gun control in 1935 and from 1948 to 1952, 20 million political

dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

------------------------------

Guatemala established gun control in 1964 and from 1964 to 1981, 100,000

Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970 and from 1971 to 1979, 300,000

Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

------------------------------

Cambodia established gun control in 1956 and from 1975 to 1977, one million

educated' people, unable to defend themselves, w ere rounded up and

exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century

because of gun control: 56 million.

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It has now been 2 years since gun owners in Australia were forced by new

law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own

government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million

dollars. The first year results are now in:

 

List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300

percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the

criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in

armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past

12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break- ins and assaults of the

ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety

has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense

was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.

The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

 

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I am not sure what a good solution is. I do know that, generally speaking, reactionary bans and legislation supported by those who know little about guns does nothing but limit the rights and privileges of those who will obey the law. The best solution I can come up with is harsher penalties for those who commit crimes with guns. The problem with bans and such is the total number of guns in the US. No matter what the law, if someone wants a gun they can get it and no new law will stop them. As you said, bans only generate black markets and exacerbate the problem. I just get tired of hearing about loopholes and banning one type of firearm will solve all of the problems. Or that ten rounds in a magazine is safe but eleven rounds makes it a WMD. These "solutions" are often foolish and is often the equivalent of trying to limit the capacity of a car's gas tank to prevent DUI's. We tend to default to experts and those educated on a particular subject for solutions to a problem but with guns, it seems everyone is an "expert".

what about background checks...do you support those?

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what about background checks...do you support those?

 

I assume you mean universal background checks? I have no real issues with that as long as the stipulations in the background check are not expanded. I must say that even if I am not against universal background checks it would do little. I can go buy a glock from billy bob down the street with no check now, what would be stopping me from doing that after?

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what about background checks...do you support those?

 

 

I'll support universal background checks with provisions against defacto registration.

 

Make sure I'm cool, sell me the weapon, destroy the records.

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A couple of points here- 1st, where assault rifles came from originally: why, Germany, of course! It seems the Nazi Wehrmacht (army) was having a problem with being outnumbered & needed something handy to create as quickly as poss the max number of casualties amongst the Allied troops(us!). So being clever, & Germans, in 1944 they did. It fell to Hitler to name it and it was christened the "sturm gevehr", which precisely translated, is "assault rifle". Isn't that just dandy? These cleverly designed weapons are a gift to us all from the freakin' NAZIS........ keep that in mind when you feel compelled to defend their use.

 

i'd go on, but its begun to SNOW here, and that's just too depressing...........

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A couple of points here- 1st, where assault rifles came from originally: why, Germany, of course! It seems the Nazi Wehrmacht (army) was having a problem with being outnumbered & needed something handy to create as quickly as poss the max number of casualties amongst the Allied troops(us!). So being clever, & Germans, in 1944 they did. It fell to Hitler to name it and it was christened the "sturm gevehr", which precisely translated, is "assault rifle". Isn't that just dandy? These cleverly designed weapons are a gift to us all from the freakin' NAZIS........ keep that in mind when you feel compelled to defend their use.

 

i'd go on, but its begun to SNOW here, and that's just too depressing...........

Non Sequitur, Red Herring, guilt by association...take your pick.

 

It is actually "storm rifle", by the way.

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A couple of points here- 1st, where assault rifles came from originally: why, Germany, of course! It seems the Nazi Wehrmacht (army) was having a problem with being outnumbered & needed something handy to create as quickly as poss the max number of casualties amongst the Allied troops(us!). So being clever, & Germans, in 1944 they did. It fell to Hitler to name it and it was christened the "sturm gevehr", which precisely translated, is "assault rifle". Isn't that just dandy? These cleverly designed weapons are a gift to us all from the freakin' NAZIS........ keep that in mind when you feel compelled to defend their use.

 

i'd go on, but its begun to SNOW here, and that's just too depressing...........

i see your point...the nazi's were excellent soldiers, a big part of that was their superior equipment for the era

 

but on the same hand volkswagon was commissioned by Hitler as well...I dont see a "slug-bug" go by and think "look at the nazi death-mobile"

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Well.... Isn't the 2nd amendment in place so that citizens can be armed with military style rifles? Forget the "every one can own a gun" no it says for people to be armed as soldiers. If any body wishes to bring up the 200+ year old thing, and weapons are different now. I have something for that to. If that is your position then logically you have to say that the 1st amendment did not grant the people the right to text, blog, post, call or transmit their free speech.

 

Did you know that less than 1% of all murders in this country are committed using a rifle of any kind (semi or bolt/pump/lever action). More people get killed every year from hammers and bats than rifles in America. The gun type most commonly used in violence is guns in the pistol class, next is shotguns. So the assault weapon ban was just a dumb "feel good" legislation to begin with.

 

Unfortuetly the real problem in the world is insanity, hate, and violent tendencies. Please remember Sandy Hook is only the second worst school massacre, the 1st was in 1927 when a disturbed man blew up an elemtry school wing, keep in mind this was during a time in America that Wal-Greens carried Tommy Guns. Worst part is that all the problems are all human nature and will not be fixed by legislation.

 

Also keep in mind that the columbine shooting was done with regulation size magazines and during the Clinton Assault Weapon ban.

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yeah, you're right............ doesn't make the whole issue any less complex or less depressing- primary school massacres? what the bleep is next?

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