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Look, institutionally there are a lot of roadblocks in our society seldom discussed in such a way as to create real improvement

for all long-term.

We go back and forth. Four years of change is never enough. We're led to believe structural change is either pure capitalism or conversely socialistic, or worse. China's coming down the road of prosperity like a big industrial power shift, from agrarian to manufacturing, to one day possibly be an equal technology driven leader, and we hope not militarily, because our huge military already cost us far too much.

The idea of Green energy, is a drain on our economy, even if it might one day sustain growth in good jobs.

Our horrid taxation policies make no sense. Tax expenditures, home mortgage expenditures, etc... this or that, what ever we call a tax deduction just isn't progressive enough.

 

The harder the physical work, the lower the pay, the lower the standard of human rights. It's about zero's, the lower the wage, the more easier it is to get the job, the smaller the group who makes all the profit. Sure, they say, we all invest in the corporation. But it depends on the zero's, when you think about compounded principle sums that come to bare, what is taken with or without risk in investment can be grossly unfair.

 

Middle class --- in the days of old. Those were the professional soldiers - that built so-called meritocracy instead of more prisons.

 

I just want to see every one improve. We just want better schools, sustainable jobs, better laws that protect the individual, freedom of religion, free speech. We'd all like to find a way to reduce terrorism around the globe.

People in other countries, the fantastic majority of them, want the same thing as well.

 

It sounds so simple. It should be simpler - working together towards progress should be, in this great land.

 

Peace!

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Look, institutionally there are a lot of roadblocks in our society seldom discussed in such a way as to create real improvement

for all long-term.

We go back and forth. Four years of change is never enough. We're led to believe structural change is either pure capitalism or conversely socialistic, or worse. China's coming down the road of prosperity like a big industrial power shift, from agrarian to manufacturing, to one day possibly be an equal technology driven leader, and we hope not militarily, because our huge military already cost us far too much.

The idea of Green energy, is a drain on our economy, even if it might one day sustain growth in good jobs.

Our horrid taxation policies make no sense. Tax expenditures, home mortgage expenditures, etc... this or that, what ever we call a tax deduction just isn't progressive enough.

 

The harder the physical work, the lower the pay, the lower the standard of human rights. It's about zero's, the lower the wage, the more easier it is to get the job, the smaller the group who makes all the profit. Sure, they say, we all invest in the corporation. But it depends on the zero's, when you think about compounded principle sums that come to bare, what is taken with or without risk in investment can be grossly unfair.

 

Middle class --- in the days of old. Those were the professional soldiers - that built so-called meritocracy instead of more prisons.

 

I just want to see every one improve. We just want better schools, sustainable jobs, better laws that protect the individual, freedom of religion, free speech. We'd all like to find a way to reduce terrorism around the globe.

People in other countries, the fantastic majority of them, want the same thing as well.

 

It sounds so simple. It should be simpler - working together towards progress should be, in this great land. Just wanted to say, we should never forget, how incredibly difficult true progress is. With all our differences, everyone who's come or was here before,

there always were people like each of us, in some manner, gay or straight, there always were. Brilliant minds left indelibly incredible

elaboration in perpetuity for all to discover. But how we say or think of progress is a continuous cloud, or Cloud Atlas parsed. A drink mostly enjoyed, shaken not stirred.

 

Peace!

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Look, institutionally there are a lot of roadblocks in our society seldom discussed in such a way as to create real improvement

for all long-term.

We go back and forth. Four years of change is never enough. We're led to believe structural change is either pure capitalism or conversely socialistic, or worse. China's coming down the road of prosperity like a big industrial power shift, from agrarian to manufacturing, to one day possibly be an equal technology driven leader, and we hope not militarily, because our huge military already cost us far too much.

The idea of Green energy, is a drain on our economy, even if it might one day sustain growth in good jobs.

Our horrid taxation policies make no sense. Tax expenditures, home mortgage expenditures, etc... this or that, what ever we call a tax deduction just isn't progressive enough.

 

The harder the physical work, the lower the pay, the lower the standard of human rights. It's about zero's, the lower the wage, the more easier it is to get the job, the smaller the group who makes all the profit. Sure, they say, we all invest in the corporation. But it depends on the zero's, when you think about compounded principle sums that come to bare, what is taken with or without risk in investment can be grossly unfair.

 

Middle class --- in the days of old. Those were the professional soldiers - that built so-called meritocracy instead of more prisons.

 

I just want to see every one improve. We just want better schools, sustainable jobs, better laws that protect the individual, freedom of religion, free speech. We'd all like to find a way to reduce terrorism around the globe.

People in other countries, the fantastic majority of them, want the same thing as well.

 

It sounds so simple. It should be simpler - working together towards progress should be, in this great land.

 

Peace!

Four years isn't enough. 8 years isn't enough. We on the more intelligent side have to make sure that we control things for several years in order to get this country back to greatness. And we will fight the crazies every step of the way.

It's doubtful that China will invest too much in military. Enough to defend themselves and have security but they know that pumping every dollar into the military like we do isn't a good idea. They're more interesting in selling something to us than bombing us.

If Hurricane Sandy has taught us anything it's that we need to take bigger steps in environmental protection.

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Four years isn't enough. 8 years isn't enough. We on the more intelligent side have to make sure that we control things for several years in order to get this country back to greatness. And we will fight the crazies every step of the way.

It's doubtful that China will invest too much in military. Enough to defend themselves and have security but they know that pumping every dollar into the military like we do isn't a good idea. They're more interesting in selling something to us than bombing us.

If Hurricane Sandy has taught us anything it's that we need to take bigger steps in environmental protection.

 

Yup, you're right. Common geopolitical sense is hard too swallow for any industrial, militarily, minded Washingtonian plutocratic, nonnegotiable slug.

 

Peace!

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Yup, you're right. Common geopolitical sense is hard too swallow for any industrial, militarily, minded Washingtonian plutocratic, nonnegotiable slug.

 

Peace!

"industrial, militarily, minded Washingtonian plutocratic, nonnegotiable slug."

Isn't that the summarization of the Republican Party platform? :lol:

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Four years isn't enough. 8 years isn't enough. We on the more intelligent side have to make sure that we control things for several years in order to get this country back to greatness. And we will fight the crazies every step of the way.

It's doubtful that China will invest too much in military. Enough to defend themselves and have security but they know that pumping every dollar into the military like we do isn't a good idea. They're more interesting in selling something to us than bombing us.

If Hurricane Sandy has taught us anything it's that we need to take bigger steps in environmental protection.

 

Obama is the best president we've ever had, and I'm so glad he was reelected!

 

We are going get a lot done in the next four years, and when Obama leaves office, we will have to work hard to elect another liberal president. Every time a conservative president gets elected after a liberal one leaves office, they always undo the hard work of the last one. I'm hoping Hillary Clinton is our next president after Obama finishes his second term.

 

The fight isn't over though! In 2014, we need to make sure we get large democratic majorities in the house and senate so Obama's plans will not be destroyed by conservatives. I'm hoping we get a strict and permanent federal assault weapons ban in place within the next two years. The next four years will be exciting! :)

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Obama is the best president we've ever had, and I'm so glad he was reelected!

 

We are going get a lot done in the next four years, and when Obama leaves office, we will have to work hard to elect another liberal president. Every time a conservative president gets elected after a liberal one leaves office, they always undo the hard work of the last one. I'm hoping Hillary Clinton is our next president after Obama finishes his second term.

 

The fight isn't over though! In 2014, we need to make sure we get large democratic majorities in the house and senate so Obama's plans will not be destroyed by conservatives. I'm hoping we get a strict and permanent federal assault weapons ban in place within the next two years. The next four years will be exciting! :)

President Obama will no doubt be remembered as one of the top leaders this country has ever had. Of course, that's the club that Bush still thinks he's going to get into :lol: I have no doubt that Obama will be an even greater and more effective president in his 2nd term, now that he has the experience.

I'm thinking either Hillary or Joe Biden. After Joe voted on election day he told reporters "that's probably not the last time I'll be voting for myself." That tells me that he's at least considering a presidential run. I'm not sure if Clinton will run or not but I think she has a good shot and would make an excellent first woman president.

I hope we gain control of the House as well. It's not just that the House is controlled by Republicans, it's controlled by Republicans that had taken a vow to do whatever it takes to keep Obama from being re-elected, even if it hurts the country. I don't mean to sound like a broken record here, but that's treason and they should all be put on trial.

I love your optimistic attitude lol but I wouldn't hold my breath on the assault weapons ban. It's not very likely to happen. And honestly, even though limiting access to assualt weapons might prevent things like the theater shooting, I think the problem goes much deeper than that.

But you're right. No matter what happens over the next four years, it will definitely be exciting!

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Riptorn, I'm glad somebody mentioned that. I think one issue that people just don't realize is a major issue is the federal judiciuary. An eight year president has a lot more impact than a four year one, and it's not just the Supreme Court that can be shaped. With important civil rights, worker protection, and social issue arguments likely to come up over the coming years, this issue should have been very important to both sides. My guess is that it swayed some of those swing voters in the final days.

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If we can just tilt the Supreme court toward the Liberal cause, that will be worth everything

 

So true! If Obama has the opportunity to appoint more liberal judges, they will be there for life. They're gonna do awesome things.

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Definitely, supreme court nominations are extremely important! Always believe a Liberal Court is in everyone's best interested.

 

Do you think Obama will have a chance to appoint more judges? Or do you think another president will?

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Do you think Obama will have a chance to appoint more judges? Or do you think another president will?

Yes, I think he will.

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No matter whom Obama nominates, the judiciary will (just as Obama has) remain a puppet body for the corporate class. His judges will support his policies, including...

 

  • NDAA's Indefinite detention clause,
  • Prolonged imperialist warfare,
  • and fear/nationalism-driven financial bailouts.

 

The list goes on. An Obama judiciary won't push for liberal policies, just as Obama himself has refused to push for liberal policies.

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Yes, but where are the Progressives? I was listening to Tavis Smiley today, Novembmer 30th. On that show with Dr. Cornell West they had a guest, a woman from Egypt --- I'm so sorry I didn't get her name, but she said stuff that was so truly brilliant I thought my thoughts would explode in earnest truth many progressives might know, but do not stand up for enough.

The discussion centered on Tahrir Square.

http://www.voanews.com/content/egyptians-protest-after-panel-approves-draft-constitution/15

Today there were huge protest regarding President Morsi's call for a constitution based on Islamic Law. This women was so brilliant. You see what people want is not a religious state, but a secular democracy.

Morsi, was educated here in the US. He acts like Hillary Clinton, or like a US colonial power. Think about the one billion the US gives in so called Aid. It's not aid at all. Why would the US give a billion, what for? Colonialism. That's exactly why.

Progressives don't stand up at all here in the US. Let's be frank, this wonderful woman said - I'm sorry I didn't get her name, but I cannot forget what she said.

Both Israel and Palestine, they don't need to be run by any religion. We give Peace a bad name, because without true justice there can be no true Peace!

Yes I do like Obama, he needs progressives to stand up. Scholars who know, do stop just writing books, instead stand in the streets with all of us to say what needs to be said, loud and clear.

Too often it is that morality is bifurcated or splintered even more than two ways. Religion is geopolitical nonsense. The three main religions are politically based. This women went on to say that she read the religious text of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and they were all pretty much the same. Kill those who do not understand, is written down in each one. One is grand, the other is not.

True spiritualism is in fact based in understanding science, in that, the more you truly understand, the more you emphatically understand

the true nature of who and what you are, as what is possible - the true miracle of human experience.

 

We don't stand for things so much. We stand for objects. Yes, Obama is refreshing, especially from what we've known in the most recent past, but it's up to us to be frank, to be bold, to clearly state what this world does need.

 

I'm sorry, I wish I would of caught her name. That damn Tavis Smiley show is so fantastic!

 

Peace/not apartheid!

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I'm satisfied that Obama won. I'm sure Romney would have made an ok president.

 

I did vote for Obama, but I'm not happy with a lot things he's done. NDAA is first on my [excrement]list.

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Yes, but where are the Progressives? I was listening to Tavis Smiley today, Novembmer 30th. On that show with Dr. Cornell West they had a guest, a woman from Egypt --- I'm so sorry I didn't get her name, but she said stuff that was so truly brilliant I thought my thoughts would explode in earnest truth many progressives might know, but do not stand up for enough.

The discussion centered on Tahrir Square.

http://www.voanews.com/content/egyptians-protest-after-panel-approves-draft-constitution/15

Today there were huge protest regarding President Morsi's call for a constitution based on Islamic Law. This women was so brilliant. You see what people want is not a religious state, but a secular democracy.

Morsi, was educated here in the US. He acts like Hillary Clinton, or like a US colonial power. Think about the one billion the US gives in so called Aid. It's not aid at all. Why would the US give a billion, what for? Colonialism. That's exactly why.

Progressives don't stand up at all here in the US. Let's be frank, this wonderful woman said - I'm sorry I didn't get her name, but I cannot forget what she said.

Both Israel and Palestine, they don't need to be run by any religion. We give Peace a bad name, because without true justice there can be no true Peace!

Yes I do like Obama, he needs progressives to stand up. Scholars who know, do stop just writing books, instead stand in the streets with all of us to say what needs to be said, loud and clear.

Too often it is that morality is bifurcated or splintered even more than two ways. Religion is geopolitical nonsense. The three main religions are politically based. This women went on to say that she read the religious text of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and they were all pretty much the same. Kill those who do not understand, is written down in each one. One is grand, the other is not.

True spiritualism is in fact based in understanding science, in that, the more you truly understand, the more you emphatically understand

the true nature of who and what you are, as what is possible - the true miracle of human experience.

 

We don't stand for things so much. We stand for objects. Yes, Obama is refreshing, especially from what we've known in the most recent past, but it's up to us to be frank, to be bold, to clearly state what this world does need.

 

I'm sorry, I wish I would of caught her name. That damn Tavis Smiley show is so fantastic!

 

Peace/not apartheid!

 

Both Smiley and Dr. West are very intelligent people. Though I haven't had the chance to see Smiley's show, I have seen several interviews with them and I really enjoy listening to them.

 

Real progressives need to do a better job at both standing with the president and pushing him to be more liberal. If not then when he receives left-wing criticism all he can do is say "Well, where's the support when I need it?"

 

And like him or not, what's the alternative - Mitt Romney? We dodged a huge bullet there. I would love to see Obama move more to the left. But electing the right-wing nut isn't helping anybody...well except the very rich.

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Both Smiley and Dr. West are very intelligent people. Though I haven't had the chance to see Smiley's show, I have seen several interviews with them and I really enjoy listening to them.

 

Real progressives need to do a better job at both standing with the president and pushing him to be more liberal. If not then when he receives left-wing criticism all he can do is say "Well, where's the support when I need it?"

 

And like him or not, what's the alternative - Mitt Romney? We dodged a huge bullet there. I would love to see Obama move more to the left. But electing the right-wing nut isn't helping anybody...well except the very rich.

 

It wasn't the Tavis Smiley PBS Television show, it was on the radio. On Friday he gets together with Cornell West. Today they had a very smart lady who is from Egypt. The point I was trying to make or say, compares the struggle folks now have in Egypt, with last years protests. It also depicts some of the crass foreign policy in the US now, which hasn't change at all even under Obama, precisely because people are either unaware, or intellectuals who do know the truth are aren't premiered in the news for the expressed purpose of Colonialism. Yes, nobody in their right mind wants to live under the dictates of any religious state. We the people don't do that as far as the majority goes in the US, yet we institute colonialism in the fascist form of Aid. Our government doesn't give a damn about the people in Egypt, Hillary Clinton could care less about the people in Palistine, or Israel for that matter.

 

We don't speak frankly about what are the problems in this world. No one in the media does as much. I'm talking about the world and how we capitalize or how capitalism tries to do this. Our Supreme Court, is so damn foolish, we are belittled by so much.

There is no progressive stance. It was vanished long ago. Most of what we speak of is only residue.

Look at time. Look at what this country has done in the last sixty years concerning the rest of the world.

Wow, just now, we're recognizing gay people deserve the same rights as others, and oh no, a black republican is an object for one party to behold, and no, there is no racism --- what a lie that is. Poverty is not mentioned at all, by Obama. Why is that?

What are we leftist to talk frankly, where are the progressives? I'm talking about freedoms and justice in an unconventional way, unfortunately, that's where we're at now. I'm not that old but older than others. I used to know conservatives who were much more to the left than most progressives are today. We are bamboozled. Malcolm X would never believe what has transpired to this day, if he only knew.

Man we lost our way. It's sad has hell. People are clouded, a big black cloud has diminished the dream.

What Supreme Court when it comes down to it, one not so bad as the nuts on the newest ever changing right?

It's so damn bland. Oh, they finally say something that isn't so racist on TV, oh man wow, were making such magical progress now.

Everybody's tied down to the big corporate slug. We either are doer's or we succumb to be takers ill equipped to shape any certain destiny. People shrink, they're all beleaguered, getting old with the setting sun.

 

oh well.

 

see the dynamic never was. It's now become only colloquial.

 

Peace!

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It wasn't the Tavis Smiley PBS Television show, it was on the radio. On Friday he gets together with Cornell West. Today they had a very smart lady who is from Egypt. The point I was trying to make or say, compares the struggle folks now have in Egypt, with last years protests. It also depicts some of the crass foreign policy in the US now, which hasn't change at all even under Obama, precisely because people are either unaware, or intellectuals who do know the truth are aren't premiered in the news for the expressed purpose of Colonialism. Yes, nobody in their right mind wants to live under the dictates of any religious state. We the people don't do that as far as the majority goes in the US, yet we institute colonialism in the fascist form of Aid. Our government doesn't give a damn about the people in Egypt, Hillary Clinton could care less about the people in Palistine, or Israel for that matter.

 

We don't speak frankly about what are the problems in this world. No one in the media does as much. I'm talking about the world and how we capitalize or how capitalism tries to do this. Our Supreme Court, is so damn foolish, we are belittled by so much.

There is no progressive stance. It was vanished long ago. Most of what we speak of is only residue.

Look at time. Look at what this country has done in the last sixty years concerning the rest of the world.

Wow, just now, we're recognizing gay people deserve the same rights as others, and oh no, a black republican is an object for one party to behold, and no, there is no racism --- what a lie that is. Poverty is not mentioned at all, by Obama. Why is that?

What are we leftist to talk frankly, where are the progressives? I'm talking about freedoms and justice in an unconventional way, unfortunately, that's where we're at now. I'm not that old but older than others. I used to know conservatives who were much more to the left than most progressives are today. We are bamboozled. Malcolm X would never believe what has transpired to this day, if he only knew.

Man we lost our way. It's sad has hell. People are clouded, a big black cloud has diminished the dream.

What Supreme Court when it comes down to it, one not so bad as the nuts on the newest ever changing right?

It's so damn bland. Oh, they finally say something that isn't so racist on TV, oh man wow, were making such magical progress now.

Everybody's tied down to the big corporate slug. We either are doer's or we succumb to be takers ill equipped to shape any certain destiny. People shrink, they're all beleaguered, getting old with the setting sun.

 

oh well.

 

see the dynamic never was. It's now become only colloquial.

 

Peace!

It's one thing to question our governments actions, especially with some of the things they've done in the past. But it's a greatly unfound statement to say that Hillary Clinton doesn't give a damn about the people of either Palestine or Israel.

 

I'm pretty sure that most sane people have not said that racism does not exist. Some on the right may say that, actually they still believe racism exists they just think it's racism against white people. But on the liberal side, rather you think they are progressive enough or not, the majority still agrees that racism is a problem. And while recognition of gay rights has been held off for too long, that doesn't change the fact that we still need to do something about it. And we are making progress. And isn't Obama dealing with poverty every time he pushes the fact that the rich should pay their fair share in taxes and tries to get the economy back on track. Simply talking about the fact that poverty exists doesn't help that much, actions that fix the economy, grow the middle class and help the poor will relieve the poverty problem. If all America wants is for someone to talk then they should elect Rush Limbaugh cause that man never shuts up.

 

I'm sorry if I misrepresented your point. My point, rather or not I conveyed it correctly, was that the liberals in America need to rise up and demand that their voices be heard -- as the conservatives do. We need to be a constant reminder to President Obama about why we elected him and what we need him to work on. And that's nothing against Obama, we should do this with any president we are able to get into the White House.

But if the thinking is that things will be the same no matter if we say Obama, Bush or Romney after the word President, that is simply dead wrong.

 

Americans should have a healthy dose of skepticism, that's a good thing. But we can't become so skeptical that it turns into complete cynicism. Then we may as bomb ourselves because pretty soon we will bow down to America's version of President Hitler.

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I am very happy that Obama won. With his re-election, the civil rights movement can finally get a foot hold (and I'm pretty sure that Romney, if elected POTUS, would set the gay rights movement back several decades).

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Yes, not to mention our image to the rest of the world. And trying once again to murder Fidel Castro. Oh and Healthcare. And immigration policies. This is a long game... haha

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