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How about setting up a conservative only chat room? Then liberals can go there and pretend to be conservative?

 

Kidding.

 

On my first attempt here, in the Liberal only room the first post I read was a conservative attempting to pass off their twisted propoganda.

 

i just dropped out of another chat room because it was just like this one. Poorly moderated.

 

The moderator gets to decide. The moderator has a tough job, I get that. Some just like to be trolls. Some like to feed them. Some like to do both.

If this keeps up without improvement, i will have to find another chat room.

 

Either the room is liberals only or it is not.

 

I had such high hopes.

 

Not working, not working not working,

Computer, please stop the simulation.

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Who gets to decide what is liberal and what is not?

I do.

 

Also, there is to be no disrespect in this room. Go to NHB for that.

 

how do you know if you're a liberal or not? what do you have to believe in to be liberal?

I know by the way you post.

 

Be respectful in here or take a vacation.

 

NHB is the place to sling the mud.

 

Don't make me have to do my job, please. ;)

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I have yet to really see that you're anything liberal.

 

lib·er·al   [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]

adjective

1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2. often initial capital letter ) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.

4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

 

1- Reform, re = again, so to form again, I am forming again the freedoms that have been lost. making me a pure liberal

 

2- I am Reforming laws and policies that give liberty , making me a pure liberal

 

3- Liberalism , I advocate for this heavily, for the liberty of a Business to discriminate based on race if they chose so, for a worker to discriminate on where to work based on race if they want to. that is a liberty that I fight for along with all liberties that do not take away from the liberty of others, ( so killing and stealing ). Making me a pure liberal.

 

4- Maximum individuality freedom - I give people the freedom to work for 1 dollar an hour if they want to. I give people the freedom to sell their body for sex if they want to, I give people the maximum amount of freedom before their freedom takes away from others, making me a pure liberal.

 

5- I believe in free action, making me a pure liberal

 

I am a pure liberal, I think a lot of people are leaning towards liberal ideas but still tainted by a lot of conservative ideas, they don't want people to have freedoms to negotiate wages within certain limits, and sort of things, very conservative notions. but I think as long as you are trying to be MORE liberal, than you are headed in the right direction.

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From the Democratic Party 2012 platform:

Democrats believe that we must raise the minimum wage and index it to inflation

 

From the Green Party 2012 platform:

We call for a universal basic income (sometimes called a guaranteed income, negative income tax, citizen's income, or citizen dividend). This would go to every adult regardless of health, employment, or marital status, in order to minimize government bureaucracy and intrusiveness into people's lives. The amount should be sufficient so that anyone who is unemployed can afford basic food and shelter. State or local governments should supplement that amount from local revenues where the cost of living is high.

 

A clear living wage standard should serve as a foundation for trade between nations, and a "floor" of guaranteed wage protections and workers' rights should be negotiated in future trade agreements. The United States should take the lead on this front — and not allow destructive, predatory corporate practices under the guise of "free" international trade.

 

We support not the corporate control of "free trade" — which, through the machinations of the World Trade Organization places the enrichment of multinational corporations above the level of national laws — but "fair trade," which protects communities, labor, consumers and the environment

 

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Does anyone find it strange that these so called liberal parties are for minimum wage and protecting domestic labor?

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From the Democratic Party 2012 platform:

Democrats believe that we must raise the minimum wage and index it to inflation

 

From the Green Party 2012 platform:

We call for a universal basic income (sometimes called a guaranteed income, negative income tax, citizen's income, or citizen dividend). This would go to every adult regardless of health, employment, or marital status, in order to minimize government bureaucracy and intrusiveness into people's lives. The amount should be sufficient so that anyone who is unemployed can afford basic food and shelter. State or local governments should supplement that amount from local revenues where the cost of living is high.

 

A clear living wage standard should serve as a foundation for trade between nations, and a "floor" of guaranteed wage protections and workers' rights should be negotiated in future trade agreements. The United States should take the lead on this front — and not allow destructive, predatory corporate practices under the guise of "free" international trade.

 

We support not the corporate control of "free trade" — which, through the machinations of the World Trade Organization places the enrichment of multinational corporations above the level of national laws — but "fair trade," which protects communities, labor, consumers and the environment

 

________

 

Does anyone find it strange that these so called liberal parties are for minimum wage and protecting domestic labor?

 

 

I do actually find it really strange

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Socialist Party USA 2012 platform:

 

We demand the immediate withdrawal of the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), and oppose the creation of a widened Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA)[They say A LOT against free trade, this is only a small excerpt].

 

We call for a minimum wage of $15 per hour, indexed to the cost of living.

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While you may find it strange, the platform of the parties is what it is. How you feel about it or the correctness of the policy does not change this. I assure you that many others here do not find it strange.

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Socialist Party USA 2012 platform:

 

We demand the immediate withdrawal of the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), and oppose the creation of a widened Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA)[They say A LOT against free trade, this is only a small excerpt].

 

We call for a minimum wage of $15 per hour, indexed to the cost of living.

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While you may find it strange, the platform of the parties is what it is. How you feel about it or the correctness of the policy does not change this. I assure you that many others here do not find it strange.

 

raising min wage to 15 an hour will create more unemployment , and the poor, the unskilled, and the young will be hit the hardest. good luck with young black teens finding work @ 15 dollars an hour. oh well it's ok, as long as the war on drugs is still waging they can find work killing one another on street corners dealing and dying in what would otherwise be a legal enterprise.

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As I said before, the effects of the policy is not the issue. This is the platform of what are considered to be 3 of the leftist/liberal parties in the US.

 

Compare it to this:

 

Libertarian Party 2012 platform

 

As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

 

We oppose all controls on wages, prices, rents, profits, production, and interest rates.

 

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade.

_____

 

The Republican party platform doesnt actually use the phrase 'minimum wage', but if you read it, you will find them quite friendly to free trade and government non-intervention when it comes to wages.

______

 

I think if we go line by line and compare your actual policy positions to all the parties, you may find that you are a libertarian, which is liberal in a way for sure. However, libertarians are closer to Republicans than they are to any of the "liberal" parties.

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As I said before, the effects of the policy is not the issue. This is the platform of what are considered to be 3 of the leftist/liberal parties in the US.

 

Compare it to this:

 

Libertarian Party 2012 platform

 

As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

 

We oppose all controls on wages, prices, rents, profits, production, and interest rates.

 

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade.

_____

 

The Republican party platform doesnt actually use the phrase 'minimum wage', but if you read it, you will find them quite friendly to free trade and government non-intervention when it comes to wages.

______

 

I think if we go line by line and compare your actual policy positions to all the parties, you may find that you are a libertarian, which is liberal in a way for sure. However, libertarians are closer to Republicans than they are to any of the "liberal" parties.

 

if you click on my name you clearly see that my party ID is "libertarian" which is the most liberal party out there. Socialism is far less liberal. this forum is called "Liberals Only" so as a liberal I am able to post here. and if a socialist is liberal as well, than they may post here as well. I just don't understand what liberties the socialist affords that the Libertarian does not.

 

also, the Democratic Party is closer to the Republican party than it is the Libertarian party.

Edited by Rational Mind

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I was not aware that libertarians were allowed to post here. That is mildly disappointing, considering how much they overlap with the Republican party. But as I said previously, whether we are allowed to post here is ultimately not our decision to make.

 

As a matter of written fact, The Socialist Party has a lot of overlap with that of the Green and Democratic parties. They DO tend to go a lot further with their policies.

 

I dont believe that your concept of liberty even exists in this world or in any world that is governed by causality, so your question is somewhat nonsensical. Needy people are not free people - FDR. This is the liberty that the 3 "liberal" parties I've cited above seeks to bring about. Certainly, you disagree with that method and think that free markets can solve this problem. However, it is simply not the the platform of the parties I've cited above. Nearly every facet of the 3 platforms is actually in sharp contrast to the Libertarian platform. It is this difference that leads people to mistake you for someone that is not liberal. Can you at least understand where they are coming from?

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Well, I've received my warning, so I'm out. Please delete my account information and IP ban me. I'll try to find a place where people consider a socialist to be a leftist.

 

The rest of the site doesnt look interesting. I was only trying to find a place where right wingers werent allowed.

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I was not aware that libertarians were allowed to post here. That is mildly disappointing, considering how much they overlap with the Republican party.

 

Of course they shouldn't be posting here: not sure why they're allowing it. For the laughs, I suppose.

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Of course they shouldn't be posting here: not sure why they're allowing it. For the laughs, I suppose.

 

I am a Liberal, I believe in the liberty for people to eat what they want, live how they want, with who they want, and all sorts of things.

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I am a Liberal, I believe in the liberty for people to eat what they want, live how they want, with who they want, and all sorts of things.

 

I'm a Conservative: I turn out the lights when I'm not in the room, and try not to waste food.

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I'm a Conservative: I turn out the lights when I'm not in the room, and try not to waste food.

 

that is good, Conservation is important, and i am very conservative when it comes to things like clean air.

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I am a Liberal, I believe in the liberty for people to eat what they want, live how they want, with who they want, and all sorts of things.

And yet you got suspended for posting in the LO. Perhaps you're not as Liberal as you like to claim you are? :lol:

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